ans4e64 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 why do you think that? Probably because once again, we are in the bottom third of the league in sacks. Buffalo would have to pick a DE in the first or its a waste Ever heard of Osi Umenyiora, Robert Mathis, Aaron Kampman, Alex Brown, Aaron Schobel, Kyle Vanden Bosch, or Derrick Burgess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 ok I changed my sig a bit..not because I fallow the crowd, but because after thinking about it I could see the points...this one looks better I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I think Buffalo screwed themselves in this area tho..they extended both Schobel and Kelsay to huge contracts...if they grabbed a 1st or 2nd round DE now theyd have to pay him good cash and then what do you do?...you have to get rid of one the 4 DE you allready have on the team You're right. Lets keep players that aren't producing on the roster because they have "big" salaries. We don't need an upgrade. Ellis is a good DE just sitting right now... How would you know? Have you seen him play in the NFL somewhere? Denney, not being the recent draft pick and not haveing a huge impact on Buffalos salary cap hit, would be the odd man out and hed be dumped.. Do you really think that NFL teams base playing time according to a descending rank order of salaries? Step away from your Xbox 360... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I don't think the Bills are going to see TE as a high priority in the draft. Maybe they take one in 4th or 5th. We do have Schouman and Fine that could possibly develop. In addition, I believe our passing game is going to be greatly improved next year when Hardy starts coming around. So, maybe we really don't need a pass catching TE and we already have blocking TEs. Is it written in Hardy's contract somewhere that in his second year it is guaranteed that he will "come around"? You can't approach an offseason not addressing needs because you assume players will "come around." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 My thoughts are that the draft is a long way away. We have 14 more football games to worry about before we even think about who we are going to draft in April. Talking about the draft in October doesn't make us any less of a fan of the Bills than you are. We're not only fans of the present bills, but also of the past and future Bills. And besides, this is a message board. It's here for fun and to speculate. We're not the ones suiting up for games on Sunday. Additionally, draft talk is the topic that is clearly displayed in the thread's title. You can chose to partake or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fewell733 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 big DT - the 6'4/6'5 300+ type, no fattys TE - as always - an athletic pass catcher would be nice big LB - after Poz and Mitchell, all our lbers are tiny Center - I'd rather pick up a veteran FA as well then rely on a rookie to start right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 'ans4e64' date='Oct 15 2008, 06:46 PM' You're right. Lets keep players that aren't producing on the roster because they have "big" salaries. We don't need an upgrade. I didnt mean keep them because of the big salaries...I am who dosent give a crap about how much players make...I was refering to the fact that the Bills FO must see them as being here for a while, so hence the huge contracts..does this mean they wont dump them tomarrow..nope..but to me it shows it's a spot they must not be to worried about. How would you know? Have you seen him play in the NFL somewhere? ok maybe a bad choice of words, but have you seen him play somewhere to say hes not? Do you really think that NFL teams base playing time according to a descending rank order of salaries? Step away from your Xbox 360... dont own a xbox 360 sorry...but yes in a way...IMO, teams are more hesitant to sit a 40 million dollar player over a 1 million dollar player, unless that 1 million dollar player plays extremely well, then he becomes a 40 million dollar player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Is it written in Hardy's contract somewhere that in his second year it is guaranteed that he will "come around"? You can't approach an offseason not addressing needs because you assume players will "come around." No, its not. But, that is why we drafted him so high - to be a regular and efficient contributor. And I assume the people in the Bills FO have every expectation of him coming around, or else they would never have drafted him so high. Sure, he may be a big bust, but you certainly can't build a team by expecting your draft choices becoming busts. Now, I would agree that the FO probably doesn't exactly know what they have in a 7th round pick. But, if you can have faith in your first day picks, then your in trouble (see: Detroit Lions). By your logic, we should also be drafting DB on the first day because we just don't know if McKelvin pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 It's eating me alive to think that the Bills traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get a first round bust in John McCargo. I remember this draft and how shocked draft analysts and media professionals were that Buffalo traded up for McCargo when he could have easily been picked up in the second or third round of that 2006 draft. Still, to get a 4th round pick from Indy for McCargo is a good deal for Buffalo. The question now is...how does this additional 4th rounder affect Buffalo's draft? And, how big of a need does DT become in April's draft with a noticeably lack of depth at the DT position? I welcome your thoughts. As for me, I know many people can point to OLB and TE as our biggest needs. The arguments are valid. But, I still think Buffalo needs to strengthen its offensive and defensive line play first in the draft. Buffalo gives up way too many sacks (a la Trent Edwards eating turf and having his brains scrambled), and let's face it...the Bills do not have a strong pass rush! Sure, there is talent on the line in Stroud, Schobel, and Williams. Yet, there is a lack of depth and versatility on the line to pressure the opposing quarterback. With an additional 4th round pick, I would approach the draft this way. 1st Pick-OC Alex Mack (Fowler is going to be a free agent and he is the weakest starter on the O-line) 2nd Pick-DE (bolster that pass rush, and we can get rid of Copeland Bryan) 3rd Pick-OLB (Digorgio, Ellison, and Bowen bring depth to the linebacking corp, but this pick adds a likely starter) 4th Pick-TE (We keep Royal for blocking and two tight ends sets. This pick replaces either Schouman or Fine) 4th Pick-OG/OT (We will lose Kirk Chambers, a swing tackle unless he resigns. Whittle and Preston are also free agents. I would resign Chambers and Preston for depth. Let Whittle go. I wouldn't mind resigning Fowler but he would only be a backup) 5th Pick-DT (Somebody to serve as the 4th/5th DT to rotate with the combo of Johnson, Stroud and Williams) 6th Pick-FS (Be honest...Ko Simpson is serviceable. George Wilson, Wendling, and Bryan Scott are all great special team contributors, but it never hurts to get a potential FS to either add more depth or replace one of these special teamers) 7th Pick-FB (He has only one job...block! Buffalo either needs to get a blocking FB or abandon the FB concept completely) Offseason signings 1. A veteran backup quarterback (Losman is gone, and Hamdan is not a legit backup) 2. A true #2 Receiver (unfortunately the Dallas Roy Williams signing makes it almost impossible for Buffalo to get a legit #2 without giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick. Evans, Reed, and Parrish form a good corp, but please know that James Hardy will not turn into a true #2. He'll become a competent goal line/red zone receiver but will never be more than a #4 receiver on a depth chart. What do you think? --Nightcrawler OK, here's what I think : We officially have known for over a week that Edwards' brains were scrambled - give it a rest ! You are now about the 90th poster who told us what we already know with this lame comment. Enough. Give it a rest. Also, to you and all posters: it is a receiving/linebacking CORPS, not "corp" Hey Mel Kiper, How do you know Hardy will not turn into a true #2? He is 5 games into his first season....give him a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 No, its not. But, that is why we drafted him so high - to be a regular and efficient contributor. And I assume the people in the Bills FO have every expectation of him coming around, or else they would never have drafted him so high. Sure, he may be a big bust, but you certainly can't build a team by expecting your draft choices becoming busts. Now, I would agree that the FO probably doesn't exactly know what they have in a 7th round pick. But, if you can have faith in your first day picks, then your in trouble (see: Detroit Lions). By your logic, we should also be drafting DB on the first day because we just don't know if McKelvin pan out. No, not really. I am not saying we need to draft another receiver because we don't know about Hardy. You said that we can ignore filling the TE position because Hardy would be more of a factor next year. That is way different. Your way, you are leaving a bad hole on our team's offense (TE) in hopes that another position player will pick up the slack. If that other position can't pick up the slack, now you've got 2 positions that are bad. Bottom line: we need a TE, badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I didnt mean keep them because of the big salaries...I am who dosent give a crap about how much players make...I was refering to the fact that the Bills FO must see them as being here for a while, so hence the huge contracts..does this mean they wont dump them tomarrow..nope..but to me it shows it's a spot they must not be to worried about. ok maybe a bad choice of words, but have you seen him play somewhere to say hes not? No, and that's the point. dont own a xbox 360 sorry...but yes in a way...IMO, teams are more hesitant to sit a 40 million dollar player over a 1 million dollar player, unless that 1 million dollar player plays extremely well, then he becomes a 40 million dollar player I give up. You win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 well the Bills have McCargo back and only 1 4th round pick so I guess this thread is pointless now..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d_wag Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 big DT - the 6'4/6'5 300+ type, no fattysTE - as always - an athletic pass catcher would be nice big LB - after Poz and Mitchell, all our lbers are tiny Center - I'd rather pick up a veteran FA as well then rely on a rookie to start right away. paging jason brown - he'd be a hell of a pickup and would free up an early draft pick for another area of need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightcrawler Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 OK, here's what I think : We officially have known for over a week that Edwards' brains were scrambled - give it a rest ! You are now about the 90th poster who told us what we already know with this lame comment. Enough. Give it a rest. Also, to you and all posters: it is a receiving/linebacking CORPS, not "corp" Hey Mel Kiper, How do you know Hardy will not turn into a true #2? He is 5 games into his first season....give him a chance BuffaninATL, I apologize that my thoughts didn't meet your specifications and/or your grammatical standards/evaluations. I will be sure to tread more carefully in the future. After all, I was only interested in creating a lively discussion. So, I will just resist the thought of telling you that in your response you had several comma splices and multiple misuses of both the colon and the use of the period. Why do I think Hardy will be a bust? Sometimes...it is just fun to speculate. After all, this is what Mel Kiper does, so I thank you for the comparison. Please allow me to share my last Mel Kiper "prediction", BuffaninATL. You are probably as arrogant as you sound in your response. Additionally, your goal on this site is to give worthless responses rather than contribute to a discussion. You are a pessimist by nature. Lastly, it is probably a fair assumption you live in Atlanta. Do me a favor and the rest of us on a post. Give a real thought or go play with your "Magic The Gathering" cards. All the best, Nightcrawler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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