Nightcrawler Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 It's eating me alive to think that the Bills traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get a first round bust in John McCargo. I remember this draft and how shocked draft analysts and media professionals were that Buffalo traded up for McCargo when he could have easily been picked up in the second or third round of that 2006 draft. Still, to get a 4th round pick from Indy for McCargo is a good deal for Buffalo. The question now is...how does this additional 4th rounder affect Buffalo's draft? And, how big of a need does DT become in April's draft with a noticeably lack of depth at the DT position? I welcome your thoughts. As for me, I know many people can point to OLB and TE as our biggest needs. The arguments are valid. But, I still think Buffalo needs to strengthen its offensive and defensive line play first in the draft. Buffalo gives up way too many sacks (a la Trent Edwards eating turf and having his brains scrambled), and let's face it...the Bills do not have a strong pass rush! Sure, there is talent on the line in Stroud, Schobel, and Williams. Yet, there is a lack of depth and versatility on the line to pressure the opposing quarterback. With an additional 4th round pick, I would approach the draft this way. 1st Pick-OC Alex Mack (Fowler is going to be a free agent and he is the weakest starter on the O-line) 2nd Pick-DE (bolster that pass rush, and we can get rid of Copeland Bryan) 3rd Pick-OLB (Digorgio, Ellison, and Bowen bring depth to the linebacking corp, but this pick adds a likely starter) 4th Pick-TE (We keep Royal for blocking and two tight ends sets. This pick replaces either Schouman or Fine) 4th Pick-OG/OT (We will lose Kirk Chambers, a swing tackle unless he resigns. Whittle and Preston are also free agents. I would resign Chambers and Preston for depth. Let Whittle go. I wouldn't mind resigning Fowler but he would only be a backup) 5th Pick-DT (Somebody to serve as the 4th/5th DT to rotate with the combo of Johnson, Stroud and Williams) 6th Pick-FS (Be honest...Ko Simpson is serviceable. George Wilson, Wendling, and Bryan Scott are all great special team contributors, but it never hurts to get a potential FS to either add more depth or replace one of these special teamers) 7th Pick-FB (He has only one job...block! Buffalo either needs to get a blocking FB or abandon the FB concept completely) Offseason signings 1. A veteran backup quarterback (Losman is gone, and Hamdan is not a legit backup) 2. A true #2 Receiver (unfortunately the Dallas Roy Williams signing makes it almost impossible for Buffalo to get a legit #2 without giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick. Evans, Reed, and Parrish form a good corp, but please know that James Hardy will not turn into a true #2. He'll become a competent goal line/red zone receiver but will never be more than a #4 receiver on a depth chart. What do you think? --Nightcrawler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 replaces Derek Fine?? give the guy a chance he hasent even a had a chance to play yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 my sig shows what I'd like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Coffman would fit better on a team that runs a spread type offense such as New England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Coffman would fit better on a team that runs a spread type offense such as New England I like Coffman as well, but he better learn to use his size and quit that hurdling a defender crap in the NFL. If you want a pass catching TE, check out Germaine Gresham from OU as well. He's likely the best TE in the Big 12. I couldn't tell you how his blocking is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjohns85 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 i think de should be our #1 priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 i think de should be our #1 priority why do you think that?....Buffalo would have to pick a DE in the first or its a waste...they already have a pass rushing DE sitting in street clothes every game because he dosent fit into the ST as well as C.Bryan...Buffalo needs a C, TE, and now DT before they can go DE imo...anyone know the depth at DE in 2009 draft class?...if theres only 1-3 DE worth a 1st, they might be gone before Buffalo picks in the 20's...my thought on this might change if Bills tank and we pick in the top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 we need pass rushers more then anything. That just might be what this team needs to win a Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 we need pass rushers more then anything. That just might be what this team needs to win a Super Bowl I think Buffalo screwed themselves in this area tho..they extended both Schobel and Kelsay to huge contracts...if they grabbed a 1st or 2nd round DE now theyd have to pay him good cash and then what do you do?...you have to get rid of one the 4 DE you allready have on the team...Ellis is a good DE just sitting right now...Denney, not being the recent draft pick and not haveing a huge impact on Buffalos salary cap hit, would be the odd man out and hed be dumped..then what?...keep sitting Ellis because a new guy took over for Denney?...I think Buffalo's FO thinks its fine where they are at DE....if Bills didnt extend Schobel and Kelsay the way they did, they might be up to looking into a new DE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I don't think the Bills are going to see TE as a high priority in the draft. Maybe they take one in 4th or 5th. We do have Schouman and Fine that could possibly develop. In addition, I believe our passing game is going to be greatly improved next year when Hardy starts coming around. So, maybe we really don't need a pass catching TE and we already have blocking TEs. Now, our d-line is really in need. We only have 3 DTs on the roster. So, we need to add one of those in the 1st or 2nd. We also have no pass rush. Schobel may be making a bunch of tackles still, but he really hasn't been a disruptive force in the back field like he used to. In fact, due to his high salary, I wouldn't be surprised if he was released before open day next season. Remember, it's a business, he's getting old, and he makes too much money. We then also need another OLB, that is if Bowman cannot be expected to crack the lineup. Too bad he's injured. A center is another priority and I can see us taking on either 2nd or 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Quint Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 I don't think the Bills are going to see TE as a high priority in the draft. Maybe they take one in 4th or 5th. We do have Schouman and Fine that could possibly develop. In addition, I believe our passing game is going to be greatly improved next year when Hardy starts coming around. So, maybe we really don't need a pass catching TE and we already have blocking TEs. Now, our d-line is really in need. We only have 3 DTs on the roster. So, we need to add one of those in the 1st or 2nd. We also have no pass rush. Schobel may be making a bunch of tackles still, but he really hasn't been a disruptive force in the back field like he used to. In fact, due to his high salary, I wouldn't be surprised if he was released before open day next season. Remember, it's a business, he's getting old, and he makes too much money. We then also need another OLB, that is if Bowman cannot be expected to crack the lineup. Too bad he's injured. A center is another priority and I can see us taking on either 2nd or 3rd. I wouldn't count on Bowan to do anything other than special teams. He's smaller than Keith Ellison, and he just blew out his knee, which will probably slow him down some. I didn't understand this pick other than for special teams purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 When we traded up, I actually though we were going to draft Winston Justice. I think DE is priority #1. We'll have to wait and see what free angency yields, of course, but right now I would go: 1: DE 2: C 3: OLB 4: TE 4: QB 5: RB 6: OT 7: DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 we need pass rushers more then anything. That just might be what this team needs to win a Super Bowl Nobody knows if Ellis will pan out as even a pass rush specialist(let alone a 3 down lineman), but I wouldn't be opposed to drafting a DE in the first round. Denney is never going to be more than a backup, Kelsay is very average as a started and Schobel is adequate for another couple of years, but getting older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 What about a passrushing OLB/DE hybrid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest three3 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 it serves as ammunition for a trade up in an earlier round, good trade. now robert royal better step it up and d. fine also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 The extra fourth gives the bill some ammunition to trade up. If the stand pat, they will take the best athlete available. The bills have had good luck in the 4th round and 5th, with McGee, Butler, Williams, and Simpson being drafted. Let's hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devldog131 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 My thoughts are that the draft is a long way away. We have 14 more football games to worry about before we even think about who we are going to draft in April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lets_go_bills Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 What about a passrushing OLB/DE hybrid? We don't deploy a 3-4 defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 My thoughts are that the draft is a long way away. We have 14 more football games to worry about before we even think about who we are going to draft in April. I don't agree...we know what the team looks like right now and its not really hard to make guesses at what would make the team better right now...mix that with the fact that last draft we knew what would have been needed and what the Bills actually got and whats left now to get...the only thing that is different is we don't know what the Bills will pick up and lose during FA next offseason...so basically building a rough draft so to say of next years draft really isn't that hard right now. my sig is just that..a rough draft of what I would like to see next april...course it will change quite a few times as we find out how well Fine plays and how well the O-line works out for the remanding games...If Fine proves to be a good recieving TE I possably could take TE off my sig or move it down to the 4th/5th... When we traded up, I actually though we were going to draft Winston Justice. I think DE is priority #1. We'll have to wait and see what free angency yields, of course, but right now I would go: 1: DE 2: C 3: OLB 4: TE 4: QB 5: RB 6: OT 7: DT I agree most those are needed..minus RB, OT and QB... but I think DT should be closer to 1st - 4th round..with McCargo gone and Stroud being older that is. not in any order - DE, C, OLB, DT, OG, SS, TE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ans4e64 Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 It's eating me alive to think that the Bills traded a 2nd and 3rd round pick to get a first round bust in John McCargo. I remember this draft and how shocked draft analysts and media professionals were that Buffalo traded up for McCargo when he could have easily been picked up in the second or third round of that 2006 draft. Its eating me alive every time I see people saying that we gave up a 2nd and 3rd rounder for him. The only pick we gave up was the third. He was our second pick. We gave two picks to get one back, that is a net loss of one draft pick, not two. Considering we got a Pro Bowl DT in Stroud for a 3rd and 5th rounder, and traded McCargo for a 4th, I'd say its an excellent return based on the market. Randy Moss went for a 4th for chrissakes. Still, to get a 4th round pick from Indy for McCargo is a good deal for Buffalo. The question now is...how does this additional 4th rounder affect Buffalo's draft? And, how big of a need does DT become in April's draft with a noticeably lack of depth at the DT position? DT was a top need before the trading of McCargo. With or without McCargo, if Stroud goes down, we are screwed. McCargo wasn't adding anything except a pain in Jauron's ass. Kyle Williams is a very good player, but we need a second bigger guy for depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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