ieatcrayonz Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Sad that is scary, the kid was young still. I can't fathom the thought of competing at a high level competition and seeing someone die. With Crayonz posting this, I thought it was going to be a joke about canadians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 that is scary, the kid was young still. I can't fathom the thought of competing at a high level competition and seeing someone die. With Crayonz posting this, I thought it was going to be a joke about canadians. He's not crazy about Russians either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegtapr Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 With Crayonz posting this, I thought it was going to be a joke about canadians. I figured he'd at least blame it on the Georgians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebug Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Man that sucks, that kid always had a smile on his face and he was one heck of a hockey player. R.I.P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 According to the web site, there was no ambulance present at the arena. Don't most arenas have defibs now too? Then again, it was in Russia. As I scarf down a gyro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That is really sad. That must have been horrible for his family, if they were in the stands. Does anyone know why some heart attacks drop someone dead immediately and others take awhile and give doctors more time to save them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That is really sad. That must have been horrible for his family, if they were in the stands. Does anyone know why some heart attacks drop someone dead immediately and others take awhile and give doctors more time to save them? I don't know... Maybe he was playing through the warning signs... High tolerance to pain or discomfort? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 They said it happened near the end of the game and the ambulance leaves with a few minutes left. Also reviving people is exaggerated on TV. CPR is nowhere near as successful as it looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 They said it happened near the end of the game and the ambulance leaves with a few minutes left. Also reviving people is exaggerated on TV. CPR is nowhere near as successful as it looks. True. Didn't they do a study in King county (Seattle) where there was a push to teach the population CPR... The number of fatalities dropped drastically. Oh... And it is not for the squeamish... Pretty messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 That is really sad. That must have been horrible for his family, if they were in the stands. Does anyone know why some heart attacks drop someone dead immediately and others take awhile and give doctors more time to save them? Probably wasn't a heart attack, or at least not the type you're thinking of. From an acquaintance on another board (a nationally-known emergency medicine specialist, FWIW): Instead of heart attack (presumably a blocked coronary artery), most young athletes die from hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, where there is asymmetric thickening of the heart muscle. Sudden death occurs because of a fatal rhythm disturbance, either ventricular fibrillation or ventricular tachycardia. Some countries have sports authorities who recommend cardiac echocardiograms to screen all athletes for this condition. Here's an article he wrote last September: http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art...rticlekey=83951 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Would a AED have helped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Would a AED have helped? If it was v-tach or another arrhythmia, I think cardioversion (yes, a defibrillator) might be the only thing that would have helped. I'm far from being an expert, though. Maybe Rubes or one of the other MDs on the board will weigh in when they see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 The kid did have hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Probably went into pulseless VT/VF. There has been discussion that Jagr gave him a chest thump before he went out, but I haven't seen that verified. Vladimir Shalayev, the managing director for the newly formed Russian league, said a preliminary autopsy showed Cherepanov had a “hypertrophied heart.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 The kid did have hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. Probably went into pulseless VT/VF. There has been discussion that Jagr gave him a chest thump before he went out, but I haven't seen that verified. Chest thump... That would be the precordial thump that you would see glamorized by Hollywood or on old TV shows like Emergency? ?? I remember taking my first CPR course many years ago and somebody brought this procedure up (of course after seeing Emergency... )... I still remember my instructor saying: "Unless you are highly trained and have caught the cardiac arrest with moments of happening... The procedure is useless... All Hollywood." Hey... I give Jagr all the credit in the world... But, man I didn't know he knew how to deliver one of those! Still remember the instructor also saying: "Just stick to the plain old CPR." From Wiki: The performance of a precordial thump is outside the scope of first aid and requires at minimum training in advanced cardiac life support. ACLS is performed primarily by physicians, paramedics and nurses with advanced training in emergency care. What's Jagr's creds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VOR Posted October 15, 2008 Share Posted October 15, 2008 Chest thump... That would be the precordial thump that you would see glamorized by Hollywood or on old TV shows like Emergency? ?? I remember taking my first CPR course many years ago and somebody brought this procedure up (of course after seeing Emergency... )... I still remember my instructor saying: "Unless you are highly trained and have caught the cardiac arrest with moments of happening... The procedure is useless... All Hollywood." Hey... I give Jagr all the credit in the world... But, man I didn't know he knew how to deliver one of those! Still remember the instructor also saying: "Just stick to the plain old CPR." From Wiki: The performance of a precordial thump is outside the scope of first aid and requires at minimum training in advanced cardiac life support. ACLS is performed primarily by physicians, paramedics and nurses with advanced training in emergency care. What's Jagr's creds? I said "before he [Cherepanov] went out," meaning to imply that the chest thump (not precordial thump, which as you mentioned is a therapeutic maneuver) might have unwittingly induced the VT/VF. As for the precordial thump, yes only trained people should perform it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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