Obama's 95% Illusion

[swede316]

I am worked up because people are not better off than 8 years ago...

Who are these people you speak of? I am way better off.

[Bill from NYC]

What I *did* assert in this instance is that APD could have overstepped their bounds.

 

Oh I agree. The difference is that I honestly don't care.

 

Btw, kudos to you for your political opinions. It is refreshing to see a young adult who isn't under the spell of the latest dummycrat huckster. It is too late for most on this board, but congrats to you for being able to think for yourself.

 

Edit: You want comedy? Watch what happens if Mc Cain wins. I don't think he will, but you never know. When alone in the voting booth, many white liberals just cannot bring themselves to vote for an African-American. Don't believe me? Ask David Dinkins, Carl McCall, and even Jesse Jackson. No, white liberals prefer to give orders to people of color.

 

The reactions will be hilarious....right out of stuffwhitepeoplelike.com.

[erynthered]

Welcome to Socialism....

 

 

Thank you.

 

Now for the rest of you that responded in this thread. I love how you leftwing bleedin heart tree huggin wank offs turned this thread into a thread about Bush. OK BUSH !@#$ UP, HE SUCKS BLA BLA BLA. Maybe the mods can pin a thread for you pieces of shiit, so that anytime you want to wack off on Bush you can, in your own little piss on Bush thread ..................

 

So much for addressing the issue at hand.

meazza is the only one who See's this as what it is, and responded correctly.

 

Thanks again, meazza.

[elegantelliotoffen]

Now for the rest of you that responded in this thread. I love how you leftwing bleedin heart tree huggin wank offs turned this thread into a thread about Bush. OK BUSH !@#$ UP, HE SUCKS BLA BLA BLA. Maybe the mods can pin a thread for you pieces of shiit, so that anytime you want to wack off on Bush you can, in your own little piss on Bush thread ..................

 

 

Because people shouldn't complain about the president when he's done a sh------- job right? I hope you show the same sort of patience and restraint for President Obama.

[erynthered]

Because people shouldn't complain about the president when he's done a sh------- job right? I hope you show the same sort of patience and restraint for President Obama.

 

Not at all. B word all you want. You people already do anyway, rightly so IMO. I just found it a bit funny that none of you people addressed the issue of the thread. Pretty simple really.

[molson_golden2002]

Socialism is here, might just as well vote Obama, at least he is a believer!

[yall]

Oh I agree. The difference is that I honestly don't care.

 

You don't care when the police overstep their bounds?

 

I guess that explains why you think Palin is a qualified VP - obviously she thinks it's OK to abuse her authority as well.

[Bill from NYC]

You don't care when the police overstep their bounds?

 

I'm sorry. I must have missed the proof you offered that they did indeed overstep their bounds.

 

Why would you assume that this is what happened? Because he was found not guilty? So was OJ. So were the cops with Rodney King. Stuff like this happens.

You seem to immediately side with a chronic offender. I simply don't care, mostly because I am hesitant to believe this particular criminal. Are you home with your chin in your hands, weeping over this perceived inequity?

 

Come on Bro, ya know?

[yall]

I'm sorry. I must have missed the proof you offered that they did indeed overstep their bounds.

 

Why would you assume that this is what happened? Because he was found not guilty? So was OJ. So were the cops with Rodney King. Stuff like this happens.

You seem to immediately side with a chronic offender. I simply don't care, mostly because I am hesitant to believe this particular criminal. Are you home with your chin in your hands, weeping over this perceived inequity?

 

Come on Bro, ya know?

 

Maybe splitting hairs here - but BF said the police could have acted inappropriately, and you said you didn't care. Or did I miss something?

 

I'm not siding with Benson - but if the police might have broken the law, I care. Just as if a citizen might have broken the law, I also care.

[Bill from NYC]

Maybe splitting hairs here - but BF said the police could have acted inappropriately, and you said you didn't care. Or did I miss something?

 

I'm not siding with Benson - but if the police might have broken the law, I care. Just as if a citizen might have broken the law, I also care.

 

See what I mean? Was he brutally beaten? No. Was he robbed at gunpoint? No. Did the police break some sort of rule? MAYBE. No, I am not losing sleep.

[Chilly]

Oh I agree. The difference is that I honestly don't care.

 

Ah, okay.

 

Btw, kudos to you for your political opinions. It is refreshing to see a young adult who isn't under the spell of the latest dummycrat huckster. It is too late for most on this board, but congrats to you for being able to think for yourself.

 

Edit: You want comedy? Watch what happens if Mc Cain wins. I don't think he will, but you never know. When alone in the voting booth, many white liberals just cannot bring themselves to vote for an African-American. Don't believe me? Ask David Dinkins, Carl McCall, and even Jesse Jackson. No, white liberals prefer to give orders to people of color.

 

The reactions will be hilarious....right out of stuffwhitepeoplelike.com.

 

lol, my boss has already threatened to move to Canada if Palin becomes VP.

[StupidNation]

If Obama wins, the repubs have themselves to blame for supporting people like Mc Cain and Schmuckabee in the primaries, while turning their backs on Rudy.

 

What in the world would Rudy do? Rudy is a disaster as a fear-mongering demagogue. The man was a mayor for crying out loud, and those in the city, from the fireman to the police, hate the guy. Rudy is a big-spending liberal. That doesn't mean I like McCain either.

 

I wanted Ron Paul to win, and at most I could suffer through with the rest it was Fred Thompson.

[Bill from NYC]

lol, my boss has already threatened to move to Canada if Palin becomes VP.

 

That site is great!

Think of the very premise of "threatening" to move to Canada if you will. How could a sane person think that anybody could possibly care????? Yet, we hear this so much (only from white people ) that it has become commonplace.

[yall]

See what I mean? Was he brutally beaten? No. Was he robbed at gunpoint? No. Did the police break some sort of rule? MAYBE. No, I am not losing sleep.

 

No, but you sure are posting a lot.

[IDBillzFan]

Convince the most people, win the most primary votes, raise the most money, pick the best team and advisers to surround him and prepare him, run the best campaign, answer the most questions with thought, become perhaps the most well known and popular person in the world right now, win the most debates, show the most talent and charisma, take the most high roads, give the best and most thought-provoking speeches, handle the most pressure with grace, beat the toughest and most successful politicians of our time, inspire the most people, and confound the most republicans of anyone anywhere.

 

If you don't think (most) every one of those things are essential to being President, and clear evidence of genuine smarts and political shrewdness/talent, you don't follow politics much.

Sweet fancy Moses, you are -- without question -- sucked in hook, line and sinker. This is single-handedly the most stunning thing I've ever read from you.

 

Maobama is, and will be proven to be, more corrupt than any liberal politician we've seen in years. And before you get your feathers ruffled and then ask Maobama to denounce ruffled feathers and all the other incredibly BAD associations and personal decisions he's made for the past 20+ years, please know that I understand there are plenty of bad politicians on all sides of the spectrum, but to think for one minute that the information you provided above is what is going to make him a a successful president, I'm beyond stunned.

 

The best team of advisors? Would that be all the dudes he hired from Fannie and Freddie after they abused their position and pumped Obama with tons of cash? THEY'RE they ones you think are "the best team?" You mean Wright? Ayers? Rezko? Odinga? Farrakhan? You mean THOSE people? Oh, wait. He denounced THOSE bad decisions, so clearly they don't count.

 

Maobama is solely and exclusively a product of the media. Period. So you might want to start practicing your Spears-like "Leave Obama Alone!!!!" Youtube video because it takes more than a nice smile, firm handshake, and a pretty satin sash proclaiming him the winner of the Little Miss Congeniality Contest to make a successful leader and president. And when there is no one left to investigate on the right, the media WILL come after him, and that's when all the denouncing in the world won't cushion his fall from immaculate grace and he will be exposed as quite possibly one of the worst choices for president these free and united states could ever elect.

 

But hey...free cheese for everyone. So that's a plus.

[Boomer860]

Who are these people you speak of? I am way better off.

The only ones that are not better off are the 4100 military troops killed in Iraq.

[Chilly]

Question: In your opinion, Bluefire, does Obama have the best interests of the United States at heart, or does he have some personal agenda?

 

This is a difficult question, mainly because I don't think its an either-or answer.

 

He definitely has his own desire to be President above anything else (pretty much required to get the job), but I'm sure he also believes he'll do a good job and is better for the country than mccain.

[Kelly the Dog]

Sweet fancy Moses, you are -- without question -- sucked in hook, line and sinker. This is single-handedly the most stunning thing I've ever read from you.

 

Maobama is, and will be proven to be, more corrupt than any liberal politician we've seen in years. And before you get your feathers ruffled and then ask Maobama to denounce ruffled feathers and all the other incredibly BAD associations and personal decisions he's made for the past 20+ years, please know that I understand there are plenty of bad politicians on all sides of the spectrum, but to think for one minute that the information you provided above is what is going to make him a a successful president, I'm beyond stunned.

 

The best team of advisors? Would that be all the dudes he hired from Fannie and Freddie after they abused their position and pumped Obama with tons of cash? THEY'RE they ones you think are "the best team?" You mean Wright? Ayers? Rezko? Odinga? Farrakhan? You mean THOSE people? Oh, wait. He denounced THOSE bad decisions, so clearly they don't count.

I am beyond stunned by your complete lack of understanding of the job of President then. Getting people to believe in you (both other politicians, the general public and the rest of the world), getting the majority of the electorate behind you on the issues, surrounding yourself with the best people in their field that you can (that are actually part of your team and administration and not peripheral contemporaries that have zero to do with your administration or decisions), making the best and most shrewd political decisions to win whatever battle you are in, and giving good, inspiring speeches IS the friggin' job of President.

 

I can't help it if you don't seem to follow these things very closely, and just swoop in to make snarky comments without any facts or without paying attention to what other people (even on your side) who know and follow this stuff are saying. Lets take the items one by one:

 

Convince the most people -- Fact. He won the democratic primary and is leading in every single poll right now. Virtually everyone says and believes that.

 

Win the most primary votes -- Fact. The most of all-time I believe. Hillary supporters may argue it, but of all official votes, he won the most.

 

Raise the most money. -- Fact. In historic proportions. It's not even close.

 

Pick the best team and advisers to surround him and prepare him -- Opinion. But his campaign team even the Reps are envious of. When McCain was asked to name a Treasury Secretary, he named an Obama advisor, Warren Buffet. David Brooks, conservative columnist just wrote how extraordinary Obama's team is. There are about 300 of them. You might not like their policies but by most measures and people involved, including his opponents, it's a great team, which he selected and led.

 

Run the best campaign -- It's inarguable. In the primary and the general election. Go ahead and argue it if you want.

 

Answer the most questions with thought -- That's my opinion. Even his opponents however, will say he's an intelligent, thoughtful guy. You may not like his thoughts and that's fair. You cannot, in my opinion, say he isn't thoughtful, and that he just shoots from the hip or is erratic or non-thoughtful.

 

Become perhaps the most well known and popular person in the world right now -- That's arguable but most likely true. Name one that is bigger. Who else could get 350,000 people on a week's notice. They just polled 20 countries and all 20 wanted Obama to win the election, most in big numbers.

 

Win the most debates - Fact. Almost all polls, including Fox's and Fox focus groups said so.

 

Show the most talent and charisma -- That's an opinion. I think it's rather obvious by his meteoric rise. There is a reason both the public and the media like him. He's charismatic. You may hate his guts and all his policies. It's hard to imagine you don't think he's charismatic.

 

Take the most high roads -- There is no way to measure this but virtually everyone who follows this on both sides has said this when asked. He's chosen to be above the fray most of the time. It's worked to his advantage. he has come across as the calm and cool candidate. Most of the criticism is that he hasn't been tougher on his opponents. Some of it, if not most of it is clever bullschit, IMO, but that is the politician in him. He knows how to play the game.

 

Give the best and most thought-provoking speeches -- His speech at the DNC in 2004 is probably the single event that got him into this position. His speech on race was thought to be great by most republicans and almost all democrats. The entire McCain argument for a couple months was based on the fact that "all the guy does is give great speeches". Again, it's hard to argue that Barack Obama does not give the best speeches of these politicians.

 

Handle the most pressure with grace. -- That's just an opinion. But I would love to hear the argument why John McCain handles the pressure with grace.

 

Beat the toughest and most successful politicians of our time -- No one gave him a chance at beating the Clintons for a full year. He's beating all the Republicans. Right now, that is inarguable.

 

Inspire the most people -- Again, with his popularity in the polls, and the numbers of people who go see him, it's hard pressed to say anyone else. Sarah Palin is actually the closest, but I don't think one can honestly say she has inspired more people that Obama.

 

And confound the most republicans of anyone anywhere -- That's inarguable.

[IDBillzFan]

I am beyond stunned by your complete lack of understanding of the job of President then. Getting people to believe in you (both other politicians, the general public and the rest of the world), getting the majority of the electorate behind you on the issues, surrounding yourself with the best people in their field that you can (that are actually part of your team and administration and not peripheral contemporaries that have zero to do with your administration or decisions), making the best and most shrewd political decisions to win whatever battle you are in, and giving good, inspiring speeches IS the friggin' job of President.

 

I can't help it if you don't seem to follow these things very closely, and just swoop in to make snarky comments without any facts or without paying attention to what other people (even on your side) who know and follow this stuff are saying. Lets take the items one by one:

 

Convince the most people -- Fact. He won the democratic primary and is leading in every single poll right now. Virtually everyone says and believes that.

 

Win the most primary votes -- Fact. The most of all-time I believe. Hillary supporters may argue it, but of all official votes, he won the most.

 

Raise the most money. -- Fact. In historic proportions. It's not even close.

 

Pick the best team and advisers to surround him and prepare him -- Opinion. But his campaign team even the Reps are envious of. When McCain was asked to name a Treasury Secretary, he named an Obama advisor, Warren Buffet. David Brooks, conservative columnist just wrote how extraordinary Obama's team is. There are about 300 of them. You might not like their policies but by most measures and people involved, including his opponents, it's a great team, which he selected and led.

 

Run the best campaign -- It's inarguable. In the primary and the general election. Go ahead and argue it if you want.

 

Answer the most questions with thought -- That's my opinion. Even his opponents however, will say he's an intelligent, thoughtful guy. You may not like his thoughts and that's fair. You cannot, in my opinion, say he isn't thoughtful, and that he just shoots from the hip or is erratic or non-thoughtful.

 

Become perhaps the most well known and popular person in the world right now -- That's arguable but most likely true. Name one that is bigger. Who else could get 350,000 people on a week's notice. They just polled 20 countries and all 20 wanted Obama to win the election, most in big numbers.

 

Win the most debates - Fact. Almost all polls, including Fox's and Fox focus groups said so.

 

Show the most talent and charisma -- That's an opinion. I think it's rather obvious by his meteoric rise. There is a reason both the public and the media like him. He's charismatic. You may hate his guts and all his policies. It's hard to imagine you don't think he's charismatic.

 

Take the most high roads -- There is no way to measure this but virtually everyone who follows this on both says has said this when asked. He's chosen to be above the fray most of the time. It's worked to his advantage. he has come across as the calm and cool candidate. Most of the criticism is that he hasn't been tougher on his opponents. Some of it, if not most of it is clever bullschit, IMO, but that is the politician in him. He knows how to play the game.

 

Give the best and most thought-provoking speeches -- His speech at the DNC in 2004 is probably the single event that got him into this position. His speech on race was thought to be great by most republicans and almost all democrats. The entire McCain argument for a couple months was based on the fact that "all the guy does is give great speeches". Again, it's hard to argue that Barack Obama does not give the best speeches of these politicians.

 

Handle the most pressure with grace. -- That's just an opinion. But I would love to hear the argument why John McCain handles the pressure with grace.

 

Beat the toughest and most successful politicians of our time -- No one gave him a chance at beating the Clintons for a full year. He's beating all the Republicans. Right now, that is inarguable.

 

Inspire the most people -- Again, with his popularity in the polls, and the numbers of people who go see him, it's hard pressed to say anyone else. Sarah Palin is actually the closest, but I don't think one can honestly say she has inspired more people that Obama.

 

And confound the most republicans of anyone anywhere -- That's inarguable.

All this does is say he's better at running for president than McCain is. Period. Given the undeniable truth that the media is in his camp coupled with a competitor who is running a ridiculously piss poor campaign, who is to be surprised by this? Most conservatives agree McCain has been running a horrible campaign. Just horrible. But to say all of your opinions above qualifies him to be the leader of the strongest and greatest nation in the world is like saying last night's game qualifies the Browns to be World Champs. It's laughable, especially when you realize Maobama is winning this race (despite countless obvious indicators that he has made one bad judgement call after another when it comes to the people he associates with) because of two very simple things: the media sucks his dick and McCain is setting new standards for running a shiitty campaign.

 

He's not winning because he's a leader. And that's why I say "all in due time." Anyone would look good against McCain right now. Once you take McCain and Palin out of the equation, and the media suddenly has to spend all of it's time scrutinizing the new president, it's all Maobama and Plugs, at which time his chickens will, in fact, come home to roost.

[Kelly the Dog]

All this does is say he's better at running for president than McCain is. Period. Given the undeniable truth that the media is in his camp coupled with a competitor who is running a ridiculously piss poor campaign, who is to be surprised by this? Most conservatives agree McCain has been running a horrible campaign. Just horrible. But to say all of your opinions above qualifies him to be the leader of the strongest and greatest nation in the world is like saying last night's game qualifies the Browns to be World Champs. It's laughable, especially when you realize Maobama is winning this race (despite countless obvious indicators that he has made one bad judgement call after another when it comes to the people he associates with) because of two very simple things: the media sucks his dick and McCain is setting new standards for running a shiitty campaign.

 

He's not winning because he's a leader. And that's why I say "all in due time." Anyone would look good against McCain right now. Once you take McCain and Palin out of the equation, and the media suddenly has to spend all of it's time scrutinizing the new president, it's all Maobama and Plugs, at which time his chickens will, in fact, come home to roost.

How do you explain the exact same scenario that played out with Hillary, who for a full year leading up to AFTER the primary started, "had the media in the bag". He had a better team, ran a better campaign, raised more money, convinced more people, made better decisions, and won the battle. You and others that just say the media is in the bag for Obama simply ignore the history, that they weren't. They were in the bag for Hillary. It was only after Obama won in Iowa (and later won on Super Tuesday), thereby ENDING the race, that they were gushing over Obama.

 

And were they gushing over Gore and Kerry? Sorry, but the media didn't create the guy. He has political talent like Bill Clinton did. Like Bush had. Like Reagan had (and no, I am not comparing him to Ronald Reagan in any way other than to say he has a political ability and personality to inspire and convince people). If the media were to just create and promote someone who is an empty suit, it wouldn't be a black guy. If Obama were white, he'd probably be up by 25 points right now.