Voter Fraud

[gmac17]

A quick story to give you an idea of some of the ways voter fraud works since I see some people saying "it's no big deal" in the ACORN thread.

 

I volunteered a bit on an election in Hoboken, NJ last year.

 

On election day our opponent - who got most of his support from the housing projects in hoboken, would hire 350+ people to "work" on his campaign on election day. These people would wear t-shirts, hold signs and stand out in the street to "work" for the candidate. But they key piece of this is that in order to get the $60 for the day, they had to tell the paymaster their voter number (when you vote you get a number). The point of this was effectively to a) make sure the person voted and b) to scare the person into thinking via their voter number they would know who they voted for. It also highly illegal.

 

Another trick that we watched was the head of Hoboken Housing Authority put people from other parts of town on the lease in our part of town where the election was being held. Voila - magical new voters appeared out of thin air.

 

Don't forget about people who had moved out of town long ago magically voting, or the homeless people caught being paid to vote.

 

This is par for the course for Hoboken Politics and happens every year (to give you some insight - this was for a 9 block by 9 block "ward" city council seat, and the 2 candidates spent almost $250,000 between the 3 elections (main election, run off and court ordered re-do).

 

This is also par for the course for New Jersey Politics, and I'd imagine a LOT of other places around the country. If you don't think voter fraud is a big deal you are nuts, especially in a country where GWB won because of 500 votes in Florida.

 

Not being required to show ID to vote has to be one of the dumber f*cking things I have ever heard.

[Lurker]

Not being required to show ID to vote has to be one of the dumber f*cking things I have ever heard.

Am I reading this incorrectly?

[Boomer860]

Obama is the real fraud.

[gmac17]

Am I reading this incorrectly?

 

You only need to present ID the first time you vote, after that you don't need to show anything. And that is the law, what actually happens at the polling place is a whole different story. My polling place is run by people who couldn't get hired at mcdonalds.

 

The main point I'm trying to show is that voter fraud isn't something to brush off - it is real, I've seen it up close, and it happens in all sorts of different ways.

[drnykterstein]

Obama is the real fraud.

 

Oh, your completely random and unrelated to this thread comment has made me realize that months and months of candidate research have led me astray and I was wrong all along to believe that Barack Obama will be a great president. I now see that his is faking his greatness, and was able to hide his stupidity behind a mask of brilliant speeches and inspiring hope of something new.

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

In NC all I have to do is state my name and address. I have been tempted to vote once as my neighbor and once as myself. In the small town I grew up I can see not being challenged at the polling place for ID since everyone in town knows each other but here I have voted in 15 different sites in the 30 years I have been in NC so the pooling people have no idea who I am and never ask for ID. I have to show and ID to use my american express ya think someone would ask when i am getting ready to vote for the "leader" of the free world??

[Lurker]

In NC all I have to do is state my name and address.

Question--Is your name listed in the registration roll book at your polling place? Do you have to sign your name in the book before entering the voting booth?

[gmac17]

Question--Is your name listed in the registration roll book at your polling place? Do you have to sign your name in the book before entering the voting booth?

 

I'm guessing the answer is yes and yes.

 

Are you somehow implying that it isn't that big of a problem?

[bills_fan_in_raleigh]

Question--Is your name listed in the registration roll book at your polling place? Do you have to sign your name in the book before entering the voting booth?

Name listed however dont need to sign a darn thing. Just need to know name and address

[ExiledInIllinois]

I don't understand (of course I do, the US Constitution)... Why don't they nationalize the Presidential election? It is the only election that somebody from one state has in common with another state... Everything else can stay local.

 

How hard can it be... We have SS numbers... It can still stay Australian ballot.

[Lurker]

I'm guessing the answer is yes and yes.

 

Are you somehow implying that it isn't that big of a problem?

Having your name on the registration rolls--as evidenced by being listed in the register at the appointed polling place--is altogther different than submitting fictional names of "new" voters to the board of election. The bogus names are invariably tossed out and never make it to the registration rolls.

 

It seems to me that certain elements of the 'press' want to cloud/confuse this distiction to pander to their customer base.

[Lurker]

Name listed however dont need to sign a darn thing. Just need to know name and address

Which means your local board of elections has vetted your eligibility/existence.

 

This is a lot different than a group submitting the names of the Dallas Cowboys to the elections board and certain elements raising the boogeyman scare that they'd be eligble to vote in your elections district, thereby stealing the election.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Having your name on the registration rolls--as evidenced by being listed in the register at the appointed polling place--is altogther different than submitting fictional names of "new" voters to the board of election. The bogus names are invariably tossed out and never make it to the registration rolls.

 

It seems to me that certain elements of the 'press' want to cloud/confuse this distiction to pander to their customer base.

 

Exactly.

 

What the problem is... Nobody is supervising the canvassers, they are making crap up and getting paid, they are happy. The regs just get tossed out.

 

Has Tony Romo of the Dallas Cowboys actually voted in NV, then we have a problem.

 

Who knows what affiliation is making these bogus rolls... Just because it is ACORN... It would be so easy for the opposition who doesn't like ACORN to infiltrate and work as canvassers... No?

[gmac17]

This is a lot different than a group submitting the names of the Dallas Cowboys to the elections board and certain elements raising the boogeyman scare that they'd be eligble to vote in your elections district, thereby stealing the election.

 

how about my specific examples, that are more than "boogeyman scare tactics".

 

Based on my specific experiences, I am confident that a list of bogus names could easily make it onto the voter rolls in certain areas.

[Max Fischer]

how about my specific examples, that are more than "boogeyman scare tactics".

 

Based on my specific experiences, I am confident that a list of bogus names could easily make it onto the voter rolls in certain areas.

 

Which ones? (Answer: no they can't)

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

how about my specific examples, that are more than "boogeyman scare tactics".

 

Based on my specific experiences, I am confident that a list of bogus names could easily make it onto the voter rolls in certain areas.

There are two things going on here. I agree that bogus names can easily be slid on to voter rolls in certain areas.

 

On the other side, I have seen voter intimidation where young Republicans stand by the polls and tell folks, especially African Americans that they have to go somewhere else to vote even though they vote right at that spot and told if they don't have two forms of ID including picture ID they can't vote. Usually it comes down to over enthusiastic youth, but there usually is some older gentleman behind the scenes threatening to take legal action if they are not eligible to vote.

 

Mostly it was questioning their ID and just being nasty, like standing in front of people trying to go into vote and loudly talking about how the other side is bad in some form or another.

 

Poll workers have almost gotten in fights, but it always seems to happen in marginal Dem and Republican districts. So the game goes on. Disgusting on both sides.

[gmac17]

Which ones? (Answer: no they can't)

 

Sorry Max, you are wrong. In New Jersey you can register to vote by mail, and if you don't give your social security # or drivers license number all you need to do when you go to vote is to show someone at the polling place some form of ID. As I mentioned before, there aren't many qualifications to be a poll worker - and here in Hoboken many of them are dumb as dirt. All it takes is someone who doesn't care, doesn't notice or is "on your side" to look at your "ID" and you are all set.

This is the same whether you are in the housing projects in Hoboken or in the sticks of Georgia.

 

There are two things going on here. I agree that bogus names can easily be slid on to voter rolls in certain areas.

 

On the other side, I have seen voter intimidation where young Republicans stand by the polls and tell folks, especially African Americans that they have to go somewhere else to vote even though they vote right at that spot and told if they don't have two forms of ID including picture ID they can't vote. Usually it comes down to over enthusiastic youth, but there usually is some older gentleman behind the scenes threatening to take legal action if they are not eligible to vote.

 

Mostly it was questioning their ID and just being nasty, like standing in front of people trying to go into vote and loudly talking about how the other side is bad in some form or another.

 

Poll workers have almost gotten in fights, but it always seems to happen in marginal Dem and Republican districts. So the game goes on. Disgusting on both sides.

 

Yellow - I have also seen intimidation, and agree that it is horrible no matter who is doing it. In our election, we had the other side send around a guy (convicted felon and former mayor of Jersey City!) to bang on doors and try to get people to say that a certain signature wasn't theirs and so on. This didn't work well in the condo buildings with people who told him to f off, but in the housing projects this guy targeted people who supported us, and would threaten that they would be thrown out unless they admitted to it.

 

I'm actually pretty amazed that most people are brushing this off, and saying it's no big deal. While T.O. probably won't be voting in Las Vegas, you are dead wrong if you think that there aren't orchestrated efforts to commit voter fraud in this country.

[Max Fischer]

Sorry Max, you are wrong. In New Jersey you can register to vote by mail, and if you don't give your social security # or drivers license number all you need to do when you go to vote is to show someone at the polling place some form of ID. As I mentioned before, there aren't many qualifications to be a poll worker - and here in Hoboken many of them are dumb as dirt. All it takes is someone who doesn't care, doesn't notice or is "on your side" to look at your "ID" and you are all set.

This is the same whether you are in the housing projects in Hoboken or in the sticks of Georgia.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Back up Hannity.

 

I said, "Find a state that doesn't have a requirement that you must have ID to register" and you say "New Jersey" -- which you admit HAS a requirement that you must show ID -- and I am "wrong?" What world do you live in?

 

Then your excuse is that poll workers are too stupid to match a name with the ID -- or that the Democratic and Republican poll workers are in cahoots to allow anyone to vote? Wow, this is some conspiracy -- but it still demonstrates that you are the one who is completely wrong about the law. Go back to counting black helicopters.

[finknottle]

There are two things going on here. I agree that bogus names can easily be slid on to voter rolls in certain areas.

 

On the other side, I have seen voter intimidation where young Republicans stand by the polls and tell folks, especially African Americans that they have to go somewhere else to vote even though they vote right at that spot and told if they don't have two forms of ID including picture ID they can't vote. Usually it comes down to over enthusiastic youth, but there usually is some older gentleman behind the scenes threatening to take legal action if they are not eligible to vote.

 

Mostly it was questioning their ID and just being nasty, like standing in front of people trying to go into vote and loudly talking about how the other side is bad in some form or another.

 

Poll workers have almost gotten in fights, but it always seems to happen in marginal Dem and Republican districts. So the game goes on. Disgusting on both sides.

 

Yeah, intimidation at the polling place is a real problem. There are no legal safeguards in place to prevent that.

 

On the other hand, I can't wait for the Democrats to end the secret ballot in union voting. Finally, elections free of intimidation! Union leadership has so much more integrity than those black-booted Young Republican thugs.

[Boomer860]

In short Obama is a fraud. His campaign is getting worried as they only thing they have left if the race card and they are playing it . If you listen carefully the Dems mention it twice as much or more than the Republicans. The Socialists/Communists are losing.