murra Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 How cool would it be if the trade was announced at halftime of MNF and they actually spent time talking about the Bills at length?
Boomer860 Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Its obvious the Giants dont need a Tight End. If the Bills did get him he would probably not play Sunday as he is being honored by KC that day.My feeling is he is stayiing in KC
BillsVet Posted October 14, 2008 Author Posted October 14, 2008 I agree. However, offering a second round pick, I don't think is out of the question. Tony Gonzalez is still one of the best tight ends in the game. He has a lot left in him, but nothing more than a second round pick. Perhaps a third and a fifth. King Carl needs something, and it's a buyer's market. It's up to the front office, namely GM designee Brandon, to find out what other offers are out there. Anyone who's read Moneyball knows it's an art near the trade deadline to get people to say things they don't want to. I'm sure multiple teams are after TG, but this is one season to take a chance. Buffalo is 4-1, there's no big name team in the AFC, at least not yet, and your team has gone 8 straight seasons without making the playoffs. If not this year, when? If Buffalo continued with the youth movement and got another TE in the 09 draft, I'd have to say it's a financial thing, because third round picks aren't getting big dollars. A lot of the TE's coming out of college are fast, bulked up WR's. See Keller, Dustin. Not saying they won't be good, but Travis Beckum, Chase Coffman, and others aren't going to be Tony Gonzalez. Pettigrew, maybe. Then again, it's 2008 and the team has a chance to get a player who could take them beyond just the next level.
LynchMob23 Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 You have a player like TG, and all those TE screens we tried to run with Schouman and Royal last year would be deadly. In addition, you add him to our red zone package and teams cannot just play a Hardy fade - they'd have to worry about the fade, an Evans/Reed slant/in, a Y stick by Gonzo....Lynch/Jackson in the flat..... c'mon Russ, you got us Stroud, now get us Gonzo!!!!
Tsaikotic Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Would anyone be upset if the Bills used a 2nd or 3rd round draft pick on TE in next year's draft? Well how about just getting arguably the best TE in football and getting two or three more good seasons out of him? Isn't it worth it? This team has a chance to be good this year and Gonzalez would be a difference maker on this offense. Well lets look at the facts then: TG- if Bills get TG he'd be a starter from day 1.. hes already seasoned and knows whats hes doing and how the NFL works...Hes one of the best TE's in the game...hes got anywheres from 3 - 5 years left in him first day TE in 2009 draft - if bills draft a TE in round 1 or 2 most likely he'd be starter from day 1 also...rookie TE would take half a season up to 2 seasons maybe even 3 seasons to get acclimated to the NFL...highly doubt any TE in this draft has the potential to be as good as TG, not saying we couldnt find a stud TE just not another TG so basicaly the Bills could waste anywhere up to 3 years on a draft TE to get what they can have from day 1 with TG..any TE the Bills pick in the draft would be a 50/50 on potential...It just seems smarter to spend a #2 or #3 on a known commadity then take a chance on a draft pick that cpould end up flopping..or worse take 2-3 years to become great and then leave for better $ after only 1 or 2 good seasons in Buffalo
LynchMob23 Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 He has a lot left in him, but nothing more than a second round pick. Perhaps a third and a fifth. King Carl needs something, and it's a buyer's market. It's up to the front office, namely GM designee Brandon, to find out what other offers are out there. Anyone who's read Moneyball knows it's an art near the trade deadline to get people to say things they don't want to. I'm sure multiple teams are after TG, but this is one season to take a chance. Buffalo is 4-1, there's no big name team in the AFC, at least not yet, and your team has gone 8 straight seasons without making the playoffs. If not this year, when? If Buffalo continued with the youth movement and got another TE in the 09 draft, I'd have to say it's a financial thing, because third round picks aren't getting big dollars. A lot of the TE's coming out of college are fast, bulked up WR's. See Keller, Dustin. Not saying they won't be good, but Travis Beckum, Chase Coffman, and others aren't going to be Tony Gonzalez. Pettigrew, maybe. Then again, it's 2008 and the team has a chance to get a player who could take them beyond just the next level. There is the fact this is going to be most likely the most loaded draft in NFL history - because of 2010 and the potential for slotted contracts. With Upshaw's death, the hardline stance on that issue hasn't been mentioned... You got a guy like Gresham - who is pretty much an all-around TE that can also do an end around (!!). But who knows if we could get him? We know we can get Gonzo. We know the price and we know we'd have him for at least another 3 years. In three years we can have a guy ready to groom under him....
jreed82 Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 On the WIVB website there is a clip from Paul Peck saying that a Bills source confirmed that the Bills are interested and are willing to give up the necessary picks to get him. If this report is accurate it is very significant. It tells us that KC is satisfied with the Bills offer but will wait to see if any late bidders come calling. It could also indicate that KC is waiting on Gonzalez to decide if he wants to go to buffalo. All along the Chiefs said they would act out of respect for their franchise player. I was skeptical about this deal and NFL trades usually do not happen in season but if this report is accurate I give it a better than 50% chance of happening.
Nightcrawler Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 While I wouldn't give away the farm for him, a 3rd and a 6th (or even 5th) would be a no-brainer, IMO. Gonz is clearly past his prime, but as most note, is a big step up from what the Bills currently have. More importantly, IMO, is that if the Bills acquire Gonzalez (I understand that isn't likely), they might actually start to use the tight end more in the offense. THAT would be the biggest improvement, IMO. I would settle for them using Royal more, if this doesn't happen. I agree with "The Dean." A 3rd and 6th round choice for Tony Gonzalez is not breaking the bank. Tony is a class-act and a blue-collar type worker. He brings his best every day and is a fan favorite. Sure, he is on the downside of his career, but he really does have 2-3 years left as an above average TE in this league. Buffalo can then spend its first pick on OC Alex Mack. The Bills can then use their second pick on a DE to bolster a generally weak pass rush. Fill in an OLB with the 4th pick and a backup OG and Safety with the other picks. Resign Kirk Chambers, Duke Preston and Jabari Greer for depth. Let Fowler and Whittle go. Let Fine and Schouman battle it out for the 3rd TE on the roster next year behind Gonzalez and Royal. Let's go Buffalo!!!
The Dean Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 There is the fact this is going to be most likely the most loaded draft in NFL history - because of 2010 and the potential for slotted contracts. With Upshaw's death, the hardline stance on that issue hasn't been mentioned... You got a guy like Gresham - who is pretty much an all-around TE that can also do an end around (!!). But who knows if we could get him? We know we can get Gonzo. We know the price and we know we'd have him for at least another 3 years. In three years we can have a guy ready to groom under him.... I would add: who knows that any draft pick really can catch up to the speed of the NFL game? can deal with the distractions of being a professional player on an NFL team? will continue to work hard even though he is making multiple millions to play a game he used to play for free? etc. But, I agree that even if the Bills get TG (please let that happen) they should be looking to develop another young draft pick to follow him.
mjohns85 Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 3 and 6th or some sort mid to late round draft pick combo would be nice. just ask san fran how vernon davis is working out them and he was the 6th overall pick.
Tsaikotic Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 lets say the Bills were to make the playoffs...whats the worst they would pick in the draft?..22 - 26 right?...KC is basically in the top 5 worst teams right..so there pick most likely would be pick 1 - 5...would it be worth it to give KC our 1st for TG and there 4th?..there 4th would be almost a 3rd really...this way we could this: 2009 draft: 1 - traded to KC for TG 2 - C - Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas. 6-4 314 3 - OLB - Clint Sintim, Virginia, 6-3 254 4 - OG - Andy Levitre, Oregon State, 6-3 317 4 - ???
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 If this trade actually happens for any of the options everyone has mentioned on this thread, we would all be thrilled. I think those that say we shouldn’t give Losman or a 2nd round pick, are trying to hold their excitement in contempt should we not get Gonzalez. If we all are honest we would not have any issue absorbing his salary, giving up Losman, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 3rd and a 5th, etc., should the announcement be made that “the Buffalo Bills have added Tony Gonzalez to their team today.” Just imagine that announcement!
Buffalonian-at-Heart Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Scouts.com has reported the Buffalo Bills have offered a 3rd round pick for the services of Tony Gonzalez.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 On the WIVB website there is a clip from Paul Peck saying that a Bills source confirmed that the Bills are interested and are willing to give up the necessary picks to get him. If this report is accurate it is very significant. It tells us that KC is satisfied with the Bills offer but will wait to see if any late bidders come calling. It could also indicate that KC is waiting on Gonzalez to decide if he wants to go to buffalo. All along the Chiefs said they would act out of respect for their franchise player. I was skeptical about this deal and NFL trades usually do not happen in season but if this report is accurate I give it a better than 50% chance of happening. That video can be found here (scroll down, click the Sports Video tab, click 'Bills front office busy during bye week'). Sort of wierd wording they used there: "Our sources say the team is interested, and willing to give up the draft picks that it would take to upgrade the offense." Does that mean KC has given the Bills a minimum that they find acceptable, and that the Bills have already decided they're willing to meet that minimum? It could be that KC is just winding down the clock on the trade deadline, in case someone decides they want to outbid us. Pure speculation of course, but this is getting interesting.
JPicc2114 Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Would be interesting because the Bills play in KC this year.
Andrew in CA Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 I would add: who knows that any draft pick really can catch up to the speed of the NFL game? can deal with the distractions of being a professional player on an NFL team? will continue to work hard even though he is making multiple millions to play a game he used to play for free? etc. But, I agree that even if the Bills get TG (please let that happen) they should be looking to develop another young draft pick to follow him. Yeah, another effect of getting TG in there for the next 3 years would be that we could put off drafting a TE for another year or 2. DE, C, OLB all need to be addressed as well as TE, so giving up a 3rd rounder for a quality player at a need position for the next 3 years is worth it not only for production, but for giving the Bills some more flexibility come draft day.
CajunBillsBacker Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Tony Gonzales would look damn good in the Bills throwbacks! Just sayin... Oh, and I can honestly say the Bills could go from a potential playoff contender to a potential Super Bowl contender in a matter of 24 hours if the trade goes through! Just my opinion!
Dan Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 That video can be found here (scroll down, click the Sports Video tab, click 'Bills front office busy during bye week'). Sort of weird wording they used there: "Our sources say the team is interested, and willing to give up the draft picks that it would take to upgrade the offense." Does that mean KC has given the Bills a minimum that they find acceptable, and that the Bills have already decided they're willing to meet that minimum? It could be that KC is just winding down the clock on the trade deadline, in case someone decides they want to outbid us. Pure speculation of course, but this is getting interesting. If you're in the KC front office, wouldn't you wait till the deadline and try to get a bidding war started? I sure would. I agree. Pure speculation, but a good speculation, I'd say.
DanInUticaTampa Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Scouts.com has reported the Buffalo Bills have offered a 3rd round pick for the services of Tony Gonzalez. yeah, "just" reported this morning
Tsaikotic Posted October 14, 2008 Posted October 14, 2008 Tony Gonzales would look damn good in the Bills throwbacks! Just sayin... Oh, and I can honestly say the Bills could go from a potential playoff contender to a potential Super Bowl contender in a matter of 24 hours if the trade goes through! Just my opinion! I know you stated its just your opinion..but I wouldnt go that far...potential playoffs to definate playoffs Id go tho
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