StupidNation Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 How can anyone pin Ayers on Obama while not pinning the dozen or so Republicans that served on the same board, including Walter Annenberg, a Reagan appointed US diplomat? If Obama is guilty by association, why not the rest of the people in the room? It wasn't just a board dummy, nor was it just once in a while. If it was just the board fine, but it wasn't, and he lied about it. Now if he lied about his association with this guy why not peg him on lying?
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 You know what? Obama, with those associations would not have been able to get into the FBI or the SS, the very man who are guarding him. But lets make him President cause its different. I doubt the FBI or the SS would employ a disabled 72 year old either.
StupidNation Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Do you know what Ayers actually said about being unrepetant and wishes he did more that you're attributing to him? Not that I support what he did say, or one thing that he ever did as a member of his fukktard group. Yes to the first, and it was ridiculous to say he wish he did more.
erynthered Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 I doubt the FBI or the SS would employ a disabled 72 year old either. Ah, you can read. Getting it may be the issue. TL helped me with that point. Guppie that he/she was. Please go back and read some posts that EII had with each other. He flat out say "yes" to Socialism. Though then again, maybe your Mom is having you clean your room right now.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Ah, you can read. Getting it may be the issue. TL helped me with that point. Guppie that he/she was. Please go back and read some posts that EII had with each other. He flat out say "yes" to Socialism. Though then again, maybe your Mom is having you clean your room right now. That is my take... Scared of socialism? You might atcually have to help someone besides yourself and not piss and moan about it. As Eryn waves his hand in front of his face: "Its all about me."
erynthered Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 You know nothing of me. Mr. Lenin. Working with numerous charities for over 25 years is none of this boards business. But please characterize me as someone who doesn't care. Nice one. You and your ilk would prefer to suck on the gov tit for help instead of working within the community to help people in need. Go ahead and throw your stones. You have a history of psycho babble here. You're very popular with that group.
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 I guess if you, as an individual human being, have no ambitions, no prospects, no ability to respect and accept personal responsibility and accountability, and believe that the government running all aspects of your life is a far, far better thing than you could ever accomplish on your own, then you're probably right. It's not such a bad idea. Do you seriously believe that if Obama is elected the goverment will assume control of "running all aspects of your life"?
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Ah, you can read. Getting it may be the issue. TL helped me with that point. Guppie that he/she was. Please go back and read some posts that EII had with each other. He flat out say "yes" to Socialism. Though then again, maybe your Mom is having you clean your room right now. Your posts were much more coherent when you stuck to simple cut and paste jobs.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 You know nothing of me. Mr. Lenin. Working with numerous charities for over 25 years is none of this boards business. But please characterize me as someone who doesn't care. Nice one. You and your ilk would prefer to suck on the gov tit for help instead of working within the community to help people in need. Go ahead and throw your stones. You have a history of psycho babble here. You're very popular with that group. Thanx! What's with the name calling?... I don't mind it, but it is really unbecoming. You just don't like to be told what to do. Read my post... No need to prove your worth. You seem like a very nice guy, that hasn't changed with my opinion of you. All I am saying is that a lot of you on the right piss and moan when you are told what to do. Get used to it.
erynthered Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Your posts were much more coherent when you stuck to simple cut and paste jobs. Here's a cut and paste for you a minute ago. This was a post by you assigned to no one. Just out there in your little mind. You're funny and an idiot all at once. http://www.stadiumwall.com/index.php?s=&am...t&p=1165786 (rays just left 3 OB, !@#$)
erynthered Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Thanx! What's with the name calling?... I don't mind it, but it is really unbecoming. You just don't like to be told what to do. Read my post... No need to prove your worth. You seem like a very nice guy, that hasn't changed with my opinion of you. All I am saying is that a lot of you on the right piss and moan when you are told what to do. Get used to it. Wtf !@#$ are you talking about , Eric?
IDBillzFan Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 That is my take... Scared of socialism? You might atcually have to help someone besides yourself and not piss and moan about it. As Eryn waves his hand in front of his face: "Its all about me." What you'll apparently never understand is that, to some of us, there's a difference between us deciding who we want to help and someone else making that decision for us. Because the reality is, most of us who have homes and children STILL make an effort to help others. We donate to causes. We volunteer. We help the people who really need the help. And personally, I resent being put in a position to help many people who, left to their own volition, will do nothing to help themselves when they suddenly have no incentive to. Personal accountability. If you can't understand it, then you're in perfect position to get the free handouts when Obama starts passing them out. But thanks for making yet another rash liberal generalization that simply because we're conservative, we don't make an effort to help others. I'm not sure if I should be insulted by you, or embarrassed for you.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 What you'll apparently never understand is that, to some of us, there's a difference between us deciding who we want to help and someone else making that decision for us. Because the reality is, most of us who have homes and children STILL make an effort to help others. We donate to causes. We volunteer. We help the people who really need the help. And personally, I resent being put in a position to help many people who, left to their own volition, will do nothing to help themselves when they suddenly have no incentive to. Personal accountability. If you can't understand it, then you're in perfect position to get the free handouts when Obama starts passing them out. But thanks for making yet another rash liberal generalization that simply because we're conservative, we don't make an effort to help others. I'm not sure if I should be insulted by you, or embarrassed for you. I totally agree. And the same can be said about myself. Except... I don't resent. And please feel free to be ebarrassed for me. At least it is a break-through of some sort.
erynthered Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 What you'll apparently never understand is that, to some of us, there's a difference between us deciding who we want to help and someone else making that decision for us. Because the reality is, most of us who have homes and children STILL make an effort to help others. We donate to causes. We volunteer. We help the people who really need the help. And personally, I resent being put in a position to help many people who, left to their own volition, will do nothing to help themselves when they suddenly have no incentive to. Personal accountability. If you can't understand it, then you're in perfect position to get the free handouts when Obama starts passing them out. But thanks for making yet another rash liberal generalization that simply because we're conservative, we don't make an effort to help others. I'm not sure if I should be insulted by you, or embarrassed for you. I guess that Breast Cancer walk/run I did last week here in Florida doesnt count for caring for people. BTW. !@#$ you DEB!!
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 I guess that Breast Cancer walk/run I did last week here in Florida last week doesnt count for caring for people. BTW. !@#$ you DEB!! Wow!
IDBillzFan Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 I totally agree. And the same can be said about myself. Except... I don't resent. And please feel free to be ebarrassed for me. At least it is a break-through of some sort. You don't agree when you make comments like: All I am saying is that a lot of you on the right piss and moan when you are told what to do. Get used to it. The only person who gets to tell me what to do is my wife, and even she's got a 50/50 chance of getting me to do it. You have no problem being told what to do and falling in line to do it, regardless of what you think about it. That's dangerous. But if you like the role of the submissive, that's a personal choice, and you're welcome to it. It doesn't mean it's the right choice for me, and MAKING me do anything is generally a bad idea.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 The only person who gets to tell me what to do is my wife, and even she's got a 50/50 chance of getting me to do it. Exhibit A why this country is so screwed up. Oppositonal disorder in its finest.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Yes to the first, and it was ridiculous to say he wish he did more. So you know he was denouncing the kind of terrorism people are associating him with, and denouncing all killing. I agree it was foolish to say he wishes he did more. Of course, Ayers says that's not even what he said, and was misquoted. Not sure I believe him. But this is what he actually said, in his own words, about the article that quoted him as saying "I wish we'd bombed more." September 15, 2001 To The Editors— In July of this year Dinitia Smith asked my publisher if she might interview me for the New York Times on my forthcoming book, Fugitive Days. From the start she questioned me sharply about bombings, and each time I referred her to my memoir where I discussed the culture of violence we all live with in America, my growing anger in the 1960’s about the structures of racism and the escalating war, and the complex, sometimes extreme and despairing choices I made in those terrible times. Smith’s angle is captured in the Times headline: “No regrets for a love of explosives” (September 11, 2001). She and I spoke a lot about regrets, about loss, about attempts to account for one’s life. I never said I had any love for explosives, and anyone who knows me found that headline sensationalistic nonsense. I said I had a thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce of my strength. I told her that in light of the indiscriminate murder of millions of Vietnamese, we showed remarkable restraint, and that while we tried to sound a piercing alarm in those years, in fact we didn’t do enough to stop the war. Smith writes of me: “Even today, he ‘finds a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance,’ he writes.” This fragment seems to support her “love affair with bombs” thesis, but it is the opposite of what I wrote: We’ll bomb them into the Stone Age, an unhinged American politician had intoned, echoing a gung-ho, shoot-from-the-hip general… each describing an American policy rarely spoken so plainly. Boom. Boom. Boom. Poor Viet Nam. Almost four times the destructive power Florida… How could we understand it? How could we take it in? Most important, what should we do about it? Bombs away. There is a certain eloquence to bombs, a poetry and a pattern from a safe distance. The rhythm of B-52s dropping bombs over Viet Nam, a deceptive calm at 40,000 feet as the doors ease open and millennial eggs are delivered on the green canopy below, the relentless thud of indiscriminate destruction and death without pause on the ground. Nothing subtle or syncopated. Not a happy rhythm. Three million Vietnamese lives were extinguished. Dig up Florida and throw it into the ocean. Annihilate Chicago or London or Bonn. Three million—each with a mother and a father, a distinct name, a mind and a body and a spirit, someone who knew him well or cared for her or counted on her for something or was annoyed or burdened or irritated by him; each knew something of joy or sadness or beauty or pain. Each was ripped out of this world, a little red dampness staining the earth, drying up, fading, and gone. Bodies torn apart, blown away, smudged out, lost forever. I wrote about Vietnamese lives as a personal American responsibility, then, and the hypocrisy of claiming an American innocence as we constructed and stoked an intricate and hideous chamber of death in Asia. Clearly I wrote and spoke about the export of violence and the government’s love affair with bombs. Just as clearly Dinitia Smith was interested in her journalistic angle and not the truth. This is not a question of being misunderstood or “taken out of context,” but of deliberate distortion. Some readers apparently responded to her piece, published on the same day as the vicious terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, by associating my book with them. This is absurd. My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official policy. It begins literally in the shadow of Hiroshima and comes of age in the killing fields of Southeast Asia. My book criticizes the American obsession with a clean and distanced violence, and the culture of thoughtlessness and carelessness that results from it. We are now witnessing crimes against humanity in our own land on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we might soon see innocent people in other parts of the world as well as in the U.S. dying and suffering in response. All that we witnessed September 11—the awful carnage and pain, the heroism of ordinary people—may drive us mad with grief and anger, or it may open us to hope in new ways. Perhaps precisely because we have suffered we can embrace the suffering of others and gather the necessary wisdom to resist the impulse to lash out randomly. The lessons of the anti-war movements of the 1960s and 70s may be more urgent now than ever. Bill Ayers Chicago, IL
erynthered Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Exhibit A why this country is so screwed up. Oppositonal disorder in its finest. You say you have children. I'm finding that hard to believe right now. I cant believe any parent would want their children to succumb to socialism. Being told what to do at all times. Having your life planned out by some beaurcrat that you've never met. Having your lifestyle determined by someone other than you.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 You say you have children. I'm finding that hard to believe right now. I cant believe any parent would want their children to succumb to socialism. Being told what to do at all times. Having your life planned out by some beaurcrat that you've never met. Having your lifestyle determined by someone other than you.
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