Further proof this race is getting out of hand

[pBills]

You don't need to be Nostradamus to see this one coming. It won't happen right now. Give it a year or two into his presidency, if that.

 

 

 

Oh ok

[IDBillzFan]

Oh ok. So it's guilt by association unless it's Palin. Because their leader hates America. Where are you getting your proof that now Obama meets Kenyan Muslim Extremists? Should you add in there they he hates babies, women, Jews and Black people?

So you're okay with him going to Kenya to campaign with Raila Odinga?

[Kelly the Dog]

I'm happy to give Obama credit for his meteoric rise. But what you keep ignoring is that without the undying and fully committed love of the MSM, Obama would be nothing more than an another Senator known only to a handful of people.

 

Sure, he comes across as smart and telegenic and well spoken. But remove the media, remove Obama. When they turn on him, and they WILL turn on him, I predict it will be unlike anything we've seen.

Remove the media and you remove everyone. I doubt they will turn on him with a vengeance. Only if he does something stupid like Clinton did. I don't see that from him.

 

I have no idea what kind of President he will make, except he will be a thoughtful one. He may be in WAY over his head because of the way the world is right now where virtually anyone would be in way over their head. I don't expect him whatsoever to solve the housing crisis or stop terrorism or balance the budget or make all the right moves. I expect him to try to bring our allies back into the fold, to be cautious (which he is), to be shrewd politically (which he is) and to make a bunch of mistakes and misstatements along the way, because everyone does.

 

No one knows what kind of President he is going to make. IMO, he has made a series of shrewd, calculated, smart political decisions that puts him on the verge of making world history. I think that should be applauded. You think that makes him a sham. To me, it's like a guy out of nowhere in the NFL who just won Rookie of the Year honors. You got to hand it to him because he did it. You cannot say, one way or another, if he is going to match it next year or become a great player over the next four or eight years, or become a total washout and loser and pull a Pacman. I predict he's going to have a very good and potentially great career.

[pBills]

So you are getting this from the guy who wrote an anti-Obama book?

 

And why won't you discuss Palin? Just wondering?

[IDBillzFan]

So you are getting this from the guy who wrote an anti-Obama book?

 

And why won't you discuss Palin? Just wondering?

Ah, yes, once again, a legitimate criticism of Obama deflected with no answer but a turn of the tables on Palin, who isn't even running for President.

 

Corsi isn't the only one who wrote about this, so just answer the question: Are you okay with Obama going to Kenya to campaign for Odinga?

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

C'mon man...Do you even believe the schit you type? Save the spinning. You know what he said. He is naive and was called on it. Just like Johnny Mac's "ecomomic fundamentals" gaffe. It is what it is. Obama don't know schit about foreign policy. But please, let's be truthful here.

It wasn't a gaffe, he meant it, and I agree with him. Conservatives and hawks might have "called him out", but that hasn't changed his position. He will prepare and meet with people that make the decisions if it looks like it would be beneficial to our national security.

[pBills]

Ah, yes, once again, a legitimate criticism of Obama deflected with no answer but a turn of the tables on Palin, who isn't even running for President.

 

Corsi isn't the only one who wrote about this, so just answer the question: Are you okay with Obama going to Kenya to campaign for Odinga?

 

 

 

Talk about deflecting. She is running for the second most powerful position in the country. How does that not mean anything to you?

 

Ok, so besides Corsi... you got that from the Anti-ACLU site? Some radical right wing persons posting on Youtube?

 

Honestly, I do not know much about the Odinga situation except that it was that Odinga signed some sort of agreement with a Muslim Leaders Forum.

[Kelly the Dog]

Ah, yes, once again, a legitimate criticism of Obama deflected with no answer but a turn of the tables on Palin, who isn't even running for President.

 

Corsi isn't the only one who wrote about this, so just answer the question: Are you okay with Obama going to Kenya to campaign for Odinga?

This seems to be a very logical look at the entire situation. Refute it if you would like. After all, it's from an actual Kenyan, and PBS. They hate Americans.

 

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/200...enya_conne.html

 

BTW, the first half isn't just gushing about Obama, he's explaining why he is so popular there, for obvious reasons.

 

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Ordinary Kenyans are not the only ones who see Obama as a messiah. Kenyan politicians have been using his popularity as political capital. In 2006, opposition leader Raila Odinga tried to portray Obama's trip to Kenya as a personal endorsement. Odinga's supporters created T-shirts and posters with cleverly computer-altered images that showed Obama and Odinga standing side by side, arms around each other.

 

More recently, on January 8th, Odinga told the BBC that Obama is his maternal cousin. Those who understand Kenyan politics know that Odinga's claim is meant to rally Kenyans behind him as he tries to fight his way into the State House, Kenya's highest office, which he contends Kibaki robbed him of by rigging the December 27 elections.

 

But given Odinga's controversial background and the continued ethnic violence in Kenya, his attempts to invoke Obama's name may undermine Obama's campaign in the U.S.

In American Op-Ed pages and in the blogosphere, many of Obama's political foes are already capitalizing on Obama's supposed ties to Odinga.

 

Odinga is the son of Jaramogi Oginga Odinga, Kenya's first vice-president, a socialist who sent his son to Communist East Germany for college. The younger Odinga named one of his sons Fidel Castro and has also admitted to being one of the masterminds of a 1982 attempted coup against Daniel arap Moi, Kenya's second president. In American Op-Ed pages and in the blogosphere, many of Obama's political foes are already capitalizing on his supposed ties to Odinga.

 

When Obama took time off his campaign in New Hampshire to make a five-minute phone call to Odinga, urging him to talk with President Kibaki in order to avoid more bloodshed, New York Sun columnist Daniel Johnson wrote, "If [Obama] has been putting tribal or family considerations above America's national interest by supporting Mr. Odinga's anti-Western candidacy, it raises serious questions about his judgment."

 

By using the words "tribal considerations" Johnson assumes that Obama identifies with his father's tribe, the Luo, the main group clashing with the majority Kikuyus. But Obama has never claimed to be a Kenyan, let alone a Luo. He has said repeatedly that his loyalty is to the people of Illinois, who he represents, and to his fellow Americans.

 

Obama's perceived support for Odinga may have arisen from a speech he gave to university students in Nairobi during his 2006 visit. Obama spoke out against corruption in President Kibaki's government. Because Odinga is Kibaki's main political rival, Obama's criticism was misconstrued to mean that he had endorsed Odinga.

 

Obama has not publicly confirmed or denied his relation to Odinga.

 

But it doesn't really matter whether or not Odinga is Obama's cousin. His political opponents in the U.S. will no doubt find a way to use it against him. As one concerned Kenyan wrote on Kenyaimagine.com, another popular forum, "In the intensity of America's presidential race, any mud that can be thrown at a candidate is fair game. The candidates themselves may decide against going ugly, but there is never any doubt that their supporters will pull no punches and the close relationship (Raila insists) between Hon. Odinga and Senator Obama is proving fertile ground for his opponents, both among the Democrats and from the Republican Party."

[IDBillzFan]

Honestly, I do not know much about the Odinga situation except that it was that Odinga signed some sort of agreement with a Muslim Leaders Forum.

Spend 8 minutes watching this. Granted, it's ultimately aimed at going after Obama, but there is no mistaking what took place, especially when you consider that the video footage is real footage from places like CNN. By the time you get to the 6:20 mark and they bring in Obama's ties, I don't know how you can turn a head to this type of thing.

 

Of course, I don't expect you to do anything other than flip it off as gonzo journalism, but this type of thing should scare the hell out of people. Especially when you see Odinga's campaign, aided by Obama, as "an agent of change" appealing to the poor.

 

Ultimately, Obama will denounce Odinga, too, and all will be well, I suspect.

[pBills]

Spend 8 minutes watching this. Granted, it's ultimately aimed at going after Obama, but there is no mistaking what took place, especially when you consider that the video footage is real footage from places like CNN. By the time you get to the 6:20 mark and they bring in Obama's ties, I don't know how you can turn a head to this type of thing.

 

Of course, I don't expect you to do anything other than flip it off as gonzo journalism, but this type of thing should scare the hell out of people. Especially when you see Odinga's campaign, aided by Obama, as "an agent of change" appealing to the poor.

 

Ultimately, Obama will denounce Odinga, too, and all will be well, I suspect.

 

 

 

Now answer my questions about Palin.

[IDBillzFan]

Now answer my questions about Palin.

You think when she's vice president she's going to incite rioting in Seattle?

 

You truly have a hard time staying on topic.

[pBills]

You think when she's vice president she's going to incite rioting in Seattle?

 

You truly have a hard time staying on topic.

 

 

 

No follow along. You talk all of the time about who people associate themselves with. Well, so Palin and her husband worked with one way or another with the Alaska Independence Party. Their leader hates America??? That's ok with you?

[pBills]

This place is starting to sound like this:

 

[IDBillzFan]

No follow along. You talk all of the time about who people associate themselves with. Well, so Palin and her husband worked with one way or another with the Alaska Independence Party. Their leader hates America??? That's ok with you?

No, but once she denounces them, I guess everything will be okay, right?

[pBills]

No, but once she denounces them, I guess everything will be okay, right?

 

 

She denounced the group her husband became a member of? Obviously after her speech at their convention and after she became VP candidate. Good to know.

[Kelly the Dog]

More about that trip.

 

What we can confirm is that Obama has remained neutral in Kenyan politics, and did not support Odinga during his trip. Odinga attended some of Obama's events while Obama was in Kenya, and clearly wanted to associate himself with Obama, but there is no evidence to indicate that Obama "openly supported" Odinga. (We previously reported on a letter from missionaries that alleged Obama contributed to Odinga's campaign; we rated it Pants on Fire! wrong.)

 

For this statement, we decided to scour the public record for evidence that Obama supported Odinga. We looked to contemporary accounts of the 2006 trip and found a transcript from an interview Obama gave to a Kenyan newspaper that directly contradicts Corsi's allegation.

 

Question: "As you prepared to travel to Kenya you were obviously conscious of two things. One was about being drawn into local politics. The other was the high expectations of what you could do for Kenya now that you are a senator. How did you handle both?"

 

Obama: "One of the things we try to do is meet with all parties. I met President Kibaki, I met Uhuru Kenyatta, I was with Raila Odinga. We met the government, met the opposition and met other groups such as human rights activists. What I try to do is give a consistent message on what I think U.S.-Kenya relations should be, but not to suggest somehow that I think one party is better than the other. That's for the Kenyan people to decide."

 

Also, Obama's gave a high-profile speech the need for the country to move beyond corruption and tribal rivalries. This undercuts Corsi's theory that Obama was motivated by his Luo tribal heritage.

 

"Finally, ethnic-based tribal politics has to stop," Obama said in his speech at the University of Nairobi on Aug. 28, 2006. "It is rooted in the bankrupt idea that the goal of politics or business is to funnel as much of the pie as possible to one's family, tribe, or circle with little regard for the public good. It stifles innovation and fractures the fabric of the society. Instead of opening businesses and engaging in commerce, people come to rely on patronage and payback as a means of advancing. Instead of unifying the country to move forward on solving problems, it divides neighbor from neighbor."

 

Corsi states that Obama "openly supported" Raila Odinga. We found public statements from Obama during the trip saying the exact opposite. We found no other evidence to support Corsi's statement, so we rate his statement False.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/632/

[pBills]

Uh oh. Say it ain't true!!!

[Andrew in CA]

So you're okay with him going to Kenya to campaign with Raila Odinga?

Raila Odinga is the head of a party that by all accounts won the Kenyan national elections but was denied victory by the ruling party, a party that has been in power since Kenya's inception. You can make the case that he exacerbated the violence thereafter, but it is easy to see that violence had become a last resort for any Kenyan not affiliated with the majority party. Are you upset with Obama because Odinga is a socialist or because of the violent aftermath of a fraudulent election that Odinga won?

[Ramius]

Up until the Democrats took over Congress. This isn't a left or right thing. Either side having unchecked power is not good.

 

You wont get an argument form me on that. We're much better off with a whole when congress and the white house are controlled by opposite parties.

[IDBillzFan]

Raila Odinga is the head of a party that by all accounts won the Kenyan national elections but was denied victory by the ruling party, a party that has been in power since Kenya's inception. You can make the case that he exacerbated the violence thereafter, but it is easy to see that violence had become a last resort for any Kenyan not affiliated with the majority party. Are you upset with Obama because Odinga is a socialist or because of the violent aftermath of a fraudulent election that Odinga won?

No, I'm cool with Obama campaigning for a guy who, after he lost, urged his supporters to start killing people and burning churches. I just hope Obama wins the election, because based on your logic, if he doesn't win, it'll be "easy to see" how it's okay for him to blame it on a fraudulent election by the ruling party, which would justify Obama urging his supporters to start killing people and burning churches.

 

Which is probably just the change we need.