IDBillzFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 People tend to like him. Not everyone. But more than not. I'm hearing he's very popular among the dead and the Luo tribe in Kenya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Why Did Obama / McCain just run ads on my local SOCAL station - California is not in play Or is it a rebate to the local TV contributors ? LA TV reaches into Nevada and Nevada is in play. So apparently AZ has started coming into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I'm hearing he's very popular among the dead and the Luo tribe in Kenya. Probably, he more liked and popular than McCain in every country in the world that was polled last week. But i know, I know, it's bad if not catastrophic for an American, or American President, or America itself to be liked and respected around the world. Who needs those parasites and their lousy support and armies and money. It's way better to be hated. We don't need them, we got us. WASHINGTON — People around the globe widely expect the next American president to improve the country's policies toward the rest of the world, especially if Barack Obama is elected, yet they retain a persistently poor image of the U.S., according to a poll released Thursday. The survey of two dozen countries, conducted this spring by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center, also found a growing despondency over the international economy, with majorities in 18 nations calling domestic economic conditions poor. In more bad news for the U.S., people shared a widespread sense the American economy was hurting their countries, including large majorities in U.S. allies Britain, Germany, Australia, Turkey, France and Japan. Even six in 10 Americans agreed the U.S. economy was having a negative impact abroad. Views of the U.S. improved or stayed the same as last year in 18 nations, the first positive signs the poll has found for the U.S. image worldwide this decade. Even so, many improvements were modest and the U.S. remains less popular in most countries than it was before it invaded Iraq in 2003, with majorities in only eight expressing favorable opinions. Substantial numbers in most countries said they are closely following the U.S. presidential election, including 83 percent in Japan _ about the same proportion who said so in the U.S. Of those following the campaign, optimism that the new president will reshape American foreign policy for the better is substantial, with the largest segment of people in 14 countries _ including the U.S. _ saying so. Andrew Kohut, president of Pew, said many seem to be hoping the U.S. role in the world will improve with the departure of President Bush, who remains profoundly unpopular almost everywhere. "People think the U.S. wants to run the world," said Kohut. "It's not more complicated than that." Countries most hopeful the new president will improve U.S. policies include France, Spain and Germany, where public opposition to Bush's policies in Iraq and elsewhere has been strong. Strong optimism also came from countries where pique with U.S. policies has been less pronounced, including India, Nigeria, Tanzania and South Africa. Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon have the strongest expectations the next president will worsen U.S. policies, consistent with the skepticism expressed on many issues in the survey by Muslim countries. Japan, Turkey, Russia, South Korea and Mexico had large numbers saying the election would change little. Among those tracking the American election, greater numbers in 20 countries expressed more confidence in Obama, the likely Democratic nominee, than John McCain, the Republican candidate, to handle world affairs properly. The two contenders were tied in the U.S., Jordan and Pakistan. Obama's edge was largest in Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Tanzania and Indonesia, where he lived for a time as a child. The U.S. was the only country where most expressed confidence in McCain. Besides the countries where he and Obama were tied, McCain's smallest gaps against his rival were in India and China, where neither man engenders much confidence. The U.S. is seen as the world's leading economic power by 22 countries in the survey. Yet in 11 countries, more think China will replace the U.S. as the world's dominant superpower or has already done so than predict that will never happen. At the same time, China's favorable ratings have edged downward since last year, with widespread worry over its military power, pollution and human rights record. The survey was taken during China's crackdown on unrest in Tibet, but before last month's earthquake in China. The poll also found: _Sixty percent or more had favorable views of the U.S. in South Korea, Poland, India, Tanzania, Nigeria and South Africa. One in five or fewer had positive impressions in Egypt, Argentina, Jordan, Pakistan and Turkey. _Nine in 10 in South Korea and Lebanon say their economies are in bad shape, while eight in 10 Chinese, seven in 10 Australians and six in 10 Indians say theirs are strong. _Hillary Rodham Clinton, who lost the Democratic nomination to Obama, generally was rated higher than McCain overseas but lower than Obama. _There is growing pessimism that a stable democratic government will take hold in Iraq, with majorities only in Nigeria, India and Tanzania predicting success. _Only in the U.S., Britain and Australia do most want U.S. and NATO forces to say in Afghanistan. _Iran is viewed mostly negatively. Even the eight countries in the survey with large Muslim populations have mixed views. In six of those eight, Muslims oppose Iran getting nuclear weapons. The polling was conducted from March 17-April 21, mostly in April, interviewing adults face to face in 17 countries and by telephone in the remaining seven. Local languages were used. The number interviewed in each country ranged from 700 in Australia to 3,212 in China. All samples were national except for China, Pakistan, India and Brazil, where the samples were mostly urban. The margins of sampling error were plus or minus 3 percentage points or 4 points in every country but China and India, where it was 2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Probably, he more liked and popular than McCain in every country in the world that was polled last week. But i know, I know, it's bad if not catastrophic for an American, or American President, or America itself to be liked and respected around the world. Who needs those parasites and their lousy support and armies and money. It's way better to be hated. We don't need them, we got us. You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields. "You like me. You really, really like me!!!" Big !@#$ing deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields. "You like me. You really, really like me!!!" Big !@#$ing deal. Who needs alliances, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields. "You like me. You really, really like me!!!" Big !@#$ing deal. The left is desperate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I guess those right-wing attacks just show that they are way up in the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 The left is desperate? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I guess those right-wing attacks just show that they are way up in the polls. I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What I said was a "desperate need to have people like them." Look, I get it. Obama is winning. He and Plugs would have to be caught butt-!@#$ing a walrus on Keith Olberman's desk to screw this up. Personally, I think it's great. Unchecked power is precisely what this apathetic country needs to wake them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields. "You like me. You really, really like me!!!" Big !@#$ing deal. Actually, myself and a lot of other people think that one of the major reasons that the Iraq war was ill-fated and didn't work was precisely the attitude you just expressed. Bush started it before 9/11. He basically said to the world, we're bigger than you, and we don't need you, so fukk you. It was expressed in several treaties, predominantly the Kyoto Treaty (which may have been bad). But Bush said to the rest of the world, including our allies, "My way or the highway". Then when 9/11 struck and he tried to get these same countries behind him for something they didn't believe in, they said "Fukk you", you're so tough, do it alone." That's why he couldn't get the coalition his father did and that's one of the major reasons it was so stupid and it failed. Then they laughed at us. Getting the world on your side is not because lefties want everyone to love us. Getting the world on your side is essential to our continued culture and dominance. Frankly, I like being the good guy. It's served our nation well for 230+ years. BTW, he doesn't believe in sitting down with bad people with no pre-conditions. It's a stupid argument. He's explained it 100 times. It's basically the same thing the five former Secretaries of State including two Republicans just came out and said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Getting the world on your side is essential to our continued culture and dominance. Frankly, I like being the good guy. It's served our nation well for 230+ years. Right up to the moment we let them fly our planes into our buildings. Then, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 You may not agree with this sentiment, but I could give a rat's ass what the rest of the world thinks about us. I understand; the left has a desperate need to have people like them, and it's clearly a good idea to validate some of the bad people in this world by sitting down with them with absolutely NO preconditions because, hey, what is REALLY important is that the rest of the world sees us as Sally Fields. "You like me. You really, really like me!!!" Big !@#$ing deal. Nice. You know what else is funny? He'd sit down with Ahmadinezad (sp) with no preconditions, but wouldn't sit down with fox news without preconditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Actually, myself and a lot of other people think that one of the major reasons that the Iraq war was ill-fated and didn't work was precisely the attitude you just expressed. Bush started it before 9/11. He basically said to the world, we're bigger than you, and we don't need you, so fukk you. It was expressed in several treaties, predominantly the Kyoto Treaty (which may have been bad). But Bush said to the rest of the world, including our allies, "My way or the highway". Then when 9/11 struck and he tried to get these same countries behind him for something they didn't believe in, they said "Fukk you", you're so tough, do it alone." That's why he couldn't get the coalition his father did and that's one of the major reasons it was so stupid and it failed. Then they laughed at us. Getting the world on your side is not because lefties want everyone to love us. Getting the world on your side is essential to our continued culture and dominance. Frankly, I like being the good guy. It's served our nation well for 230+ years. Want the last laugh? make the !@#$ing Euros defend themselves. Take every last American soldier out of Europe. End NATO. Let them sink or swim on their own and when the Islamists come knocking and kill their sedate citizens, send them a boquet. I'm tired of the Euros and their holier-than-thou approach. We should have let the USSR steamroll them. No point in being the "nice guy" if you're not willing to back it up with force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What I said was a "desperate need to have people like them." Look, I get it. Obama is winning. He and Plugs would have to be caught butt-!@#$ing a walrus on Keith Olberman's desk to screw this up. Personally, I think it's great. Unchecked power is precisely what this apathetic country needs to wake them up. You keep mentioning unchecked power... unchecked backgrounds yet you keep forgetting to mention Palins associations? Come on she will be one bad 72-year old heartbeat away from the presidency. Frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 You keep mentioning unchecked power... unchecked backgrounds yet you keep forgetting to mention Palins associations? Come on she will be one bad 72-year old heartbeat away from the presidency. Frightening. Speaking of unchecked backgrounds... How's it working out for those Kenyan Islamists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Right up to the moment we let them fly our planes into our buildings. Then, not so much. So 9/11 happened because the world liked us too much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 So 9/11 happened because the world like us too much? 9/11 happened because we were too worried about what the rest of the world thought about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Speaking of unchecked backgrounds... How's it working out for those Kenyan Islamists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Yes, yes, GOD FORBID anyone bring up Obama's associations. Becasue who you associate with doesn't reflect who you are, right? I must be a racist. Yeah, that's the ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 9/11 happened because we were too worried about what the rest of the world thought about us. Meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Meaning? Meaning that we didn't exercise our military power when we should have (read: under the not-so-watchful eye of Bill Clinton) to snuff out the threat that was al-Quaeda for FEAR of upsetting the Euro-trash, the UN, and the likes of YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantelliotoffen Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 Meaning that we didn't exercise our military power when we should have (read: under the not-so-watchful eye of Bill Clinton) to snuff out the threat that was al-Quaeda for FEAR of upsetting the Euro-trash, the UN, and the likes of YOU. I seem to remember "the likes of YOU" up in arms when Clinton tried to kill OBL in 1998 and accused him of trying to distract the public from the essential issue at hand-whether or not he got a hummer from a fat chick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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