Conservative writer David Brooks

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

sad you even brought that obama quote up.

Why?

[StupidNation]

In today's America Bill Buckley is a liberal. So is Buchanon and Will. The Republican's are as far to the right as they can get in this society,

 

None of those people would be considered liberal today, neither would Nixon and ESPECIALLY Goldwater. The parties went from conservative ®, moderate (both), and liberal (D) to neo-conservative which are liberals in Republican clothing, moderate which means nothing since the line is pushing to liberalism every decade, paleo-conservative (Buchanan, Buckley), liberal (D) and wacko conservatives who are marginalized (Buchanan, Paul).

 

No one in their right mind would ever classify Buchanan or Goldwater liberal today. They want to end entitlement spending, decrease motherment in all phases and push for state rights. Who would call them liberal publicly except by their foreign policy, which is actually the old school conservative position?

[Kelly the Dog]

You mean other than the "Air-raiding and killing civilians" bit?

 

How VERY patriotic.

 

Edit: Again, not liek McCain's any better. This country's going to hell. The revolution can't come soon enough.

Actually, the quote was about bringing more troops there to do the job, and if you have been following the news, we have been air raiding villages and killing civilians. In fact, a non-partisan group said our forces (including our allies) were killing more civilians there than the insurgents were.

 

Karzai complained we were air-raiding villages and killing civilians.

 

One of the reasons the generals want more troops there is because we are air raiding villages and killing civilians.

 

In fact, I saw an interview on TV with the guy who calls the shots on some of these attacks (I think it was on 60 Minutes, which I despise, but I saw the guy say this) that the army's rule is, if they predict the air strike will kill more than 20 civilians, they won't go in. If it's 19 or less, they will. That was their protocol.

 

It may not have been a terribly smart thing to say, but it's the reason we need more troops there, and it is completely true, and it's one of our biggest problems there.

 

In fact, just yesterday, the US admitted killing 33 civilians in that August strike, not seven, as they previously reported.

 

The US military has admitted killing 33 civilians in an air strike on a village in Afghanistan in August, far more than it has previously acknowledged.

 

Following the August 22 attack on Azizabad, in Heart province, the Afghan government claimed that 90 civilians, mainly women and children, were killed. This figure was backed by the UN.

 

Until now the US has estimated that that no more than seven civilians died in the attack. It launched an inquiry after it emerged that film recorded on mobile phones showed rows of bodies of children and babies in a makeshift morgue.

 

The inquiry found that of the 33 dead civilians, eight were men, three were women and 12 children. The 10 others were undetermined. It also claimed that 22 Taliban fighters were killed in the attack.

[molson_golden2002]

Yeah - some of us want to perform abortions with guns.

[In-A-Gadda-Levitre]

So you mean adding 2 more judges who think that "shall not be infringed" means a complete ban on gun possession is OK is far more important than a woman's right to choose?

 

Yeah, abortion is way more important than the Bill of Rights.

I wouldn't begin to judge as to whether the outcome of the election will result in a ban on guns, nor would I venture a guess as to newly appointed SC judges and their potential philosophies.

 

All I meant was the oldest judges are liberal; Justice Stevens is 88 years old and Justice Ginsberg is 75, and based on her frail appearance, it's very possible she will step down. And there have been many rumors that David Souter (69) wants to retire and go back to New Hampshire.

 

So, while a McCain presidency could swing the court conservative, and very likely have the votes to overturn Roe v Wade (again, not that he necessarily would), an Obama victory might keep the status quo for a number of years.

[X. Benedict]

That damn Annenberg foundation.

 

Founded by a former Reagan Ambassador for the sole purpose of doing charitable

works to tie Democrats to the Weather Underground.

 

Sneaky.

[Kelly the Dog]

That damn Annenberg foundation.

 

Founded by a former Reagan Ambassador for the sole purpose of doing charitable

works to tie Democrats to the Weather Underground.

 

Sneaky.

You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows. There is a rumor that in the late 60s Ayers send his terrorist minions to Jakarta to recruit this eight year-old Muslim born in Hawaii because Ayers knew that one day, 37 years later, Ayers would donate $200 to his Senate campaign, thereby helping to blow up buildings in the past. Actually, I saw it on a Quantum Leap episode once, although they changed a couple of the names.

[pBills]

You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows. There is a rumor that in the late 60s Ayers send his terrorist minions to Jakarta to recruit this eight year-old Muslim born in Hawaii because Ayers knew that one day, 37 years later, Ayers would donate $200 to his Senate campaign, thereby helping to blow up buildings in the past. Actually, I saw it on a Quantum Leap episode once, although they changed a couple of the names.

 

 

He's like Dr. Evil

[PastaJoe]

That damn Annenberg foundation.

 

Founded by a former Reagan Ambassador for the sole purpose of doing charitable

works to tie Democrats to the Weather Underground.

 

Sneaky.

 

So a friend and appointee of Reagan founded an organization that hired a domestic terrorist. So Reagan was a friend to a terrorist sympathizer. Isn't that how the guilt by association works? If Reagan was still alive, Bush would have arrested him for aiding a terrorist cause.

[pBills]

Why?

 

Pulled from FactCheck.org

 

 

Killing Afghan Civilians?

 

Obama did say that troops in Afghanistan were killing civilians, a claim that Palin calls “untrue.” Here’s the whole quote, from a campaign stop in New Hampshire:

 

Obama, August 2007: We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

 

The Associated Press fact-checked this one, and found that in fact U.S troops were killing more civilians at the time than insurgents: “As of Aug. 1, the AP count shows that while militants killed 231 civilians in attacks in 2007, Western forces killed 286. Another 20 were killed in crossfire that can’t be attributed to one party.” Afghan president Hamid Karzai had expressed concern about these civilian killings, a concern President Bush said he shared.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

Pulled from FactCheck.org

 

 

Killing Afghan Civilians?

 

Obama did say that troops in Afghanistan were killing civilians, a claim that Palin calls “untrue.” Here’s the whole quote, from a campaign stop in New Hampshire:

 

Obama, August 2007: We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there.

 

The Associated Press fact-checked this one, and found that in fact U.S troops were killing more civilians at the time than insurgents: “As of Aug. 1, the AP count shows that while militants killed 231 civilians in attacks in 2007, Western forces killed 286. Another 20 were killed in crossfire that can’t be attributed to one party.” Afghan president Hamid Karzai had expressed concern about these civilian killings, a concern President Bush said he shared.

 

In fact recent bombings were found to have killed 30 more Afghan citizens. Palin still doesn't know her holes from one in the ground.

[yall]

Actually, the quote was about bringing more troops there to do the job, and if you have been following the news, we have been air raiding villages and killing civilians. In fact, a non-partisan group said our forces (including our allies) were killing more civilians there than the insurgents were.

 

Karzai complained we were air-raiding villages and killing civilians.

 

One of the reasons the generals want more troops there is because we are air raiding villages and killing civilians.

 

In fact, I saw an interview on TV with the guy who calls the shots on some of these attacks (I think it was on 60 Minutes, which I despise, but I saw the guy say this) that the army's rule is, if they predict the air strike will kill more than 20 civilians, they won't go in. If it's 19 or less, they will. That was their protocol.

 

It may not have been a terribly smart thing to say, but it's the reason we need more troops there, and it is completely true, and it's one of our biggest problems there.

 

In fact, just yesterday, the US admitted killing 33 civilians in that August strike, not seven, as they previously reported.

 

Here you lib'tards go again with your high-fulutin' facts and figures. Donchya know us regular 'mericans are doggone tired of you majority of folks being out of touch with our right-wing, christian, anti-enlightened way of life?

 

Go back to Canada with the rest of your commie, terrorist friends!

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

Here you lib'tards go again with your high-fulutin' facts and figures. Donchya know us regular 'mericans are doggone tired of you majority of folks being out of touch with our right-wing, christian, anti-enlightened way of life?

 

Go back to Canada with the rest of your commie, terrorist friends!

 

What is so intellectual about killing civilians because we don't have the forces their to take care of the job correctly????

 

Unless you were being sardonic.

[yall]

What is so intellectual about killing civilians because we don't have the forces their to take care of the job correctly????

 

Unless you were being sardonic.

 

I was poking fun at those who can't respond with anything more intelligent than "that all you libtards/demoncrats got?" when confronted with facts.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

I was poking fun at those who can't respond with anything more intelligent than "that all you libtards/demoncrats got?" when confronted with facts.

Got it, sorry.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

"We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous problems there."

 

Still tasteless and completely baseless. He makes our actions sound like the firebombing of Dresden.

 

Perhaps Barack Obama should take the time and actually THINK before he speaks.

[Steely Dan]

You don't need a Weatherman to know which way the wind blows. There is a rumor that in the late 60s Ayers send his terrorist minions to Jakarta to recruit this eight year-old Muslim born in Hawaii because Ayers knew that one day, 37 years later, Ayers would donate $200 to his Senate campaign, thereby helping to blow up buildings in the past. Actually, I saw it on a Quantum Leap episode once, although they changed a couple of the names.

 

I thought it was from one of Dubya's acid trips while shirking the National Guard.

 

He's like Dr. Evil

 

 

 

In fact recent bombings were found to have killed 30 more Afghan citizens. Palin still doesn't know her holes from one in the ground.

 

Facts?! Why the hell do they belong in this thread!! Or any thread!!!

 

 

Still tasteless and completely baseless. He makes our actions sound like the firebombing of Dresden.

 

Perhaps Barack Obama should take the time and actually THINK before he speaks.

 

Why is showing concern for the Afghan citizens over Al Qaueda a bad thing? We're there to kill Al Qaeda not citizens. A friend of mine who was in Vietnam said the orders were to kill everyone and let God sort them out later.

 

We're now in an age where nothing goes unnoticed. It's an age where things have to be handled a lot differently.

[gmac17]

Why is showing concern for the Afghan citizens over Al Qaueda a bad thing? We're there to kill Al Qaeda not citizens. A friend of mine who was in Vietnam said the orders were to kill everyone and let God sort them out later.

 

you don't see anything wrong with the quote? You don't think it's a little coarse?

[PromoTheRobot]

Still tasteless and completely baseless. He makes our actions sound like the firebombing of Dresden.

 

Perhaps Barack Obama should take the time and actually THINK before he speaks.

But its okay when John McCain, in 2000, complains US air attacks in Kosovo were killing innocent civilians? Gotcha. The ol' double standard. Totally cool if McCain is doing it.

 

From the Washington Times (a conservative newspaper): John McCain in 2000 said because of tactical decisions U.S. troops were put in the position of killing civilians in Kosovo — something awfully similar to the comments he's now attacking Barack Obama for. During a Republican primary debate in 2000 McCain called the Clinton strategy in Kosovo "obscene" because it forced troops into using tactics that meant civilians were going to get killed.

 

PTR

[Max Fischer]

Still tasteless and completely baseless. He makes our actions sound like the firebombing of Dresden.

 

Perhaps Barack Obama should take the time and actually THINK before he speaks.

 

No worse than war hero and true patriot John McCain. From the liberal rag, the Washington Times:

 

McCain also said U.S. troops killed civilians

Trail Times (View Blog)

POSTED October 07 2008 1:06 PM BY Stephen Dinan

 

John McCain in 2000 said because of tactical decisions U.S. troops were put in the position of killing civilians in Kosovo — something awfully similar to the comments he's now attacking Barack Obama for.

 

During a Republican primary debate in 2000 McCain called the Clinton strategy in Kosovo "obscene" because it forced troops into using tactics that meant civilians were going to get killed.

 

"In the most obscene chapter in recent American history is the conduct of the Kosovo conflict when the president of the United States refused to prepare for ground operations, refused to have air power used effectively because he wanted them flying -- he had them flying at 15,000 feet where they killed innocent civilians because they were dropping bombs from such -- in high altitude."

 

That is almost exactly what Barack Obama said last year about U.S. troops in Afghanistan, when he said the U.S. strategy has led to air strikes rather than controlling the ground — a remark that McCain, in a new ad announced this week, calls "dishonorable."