Gordio Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Why? I mean, I prefer if the #1 QB is in the game, and thinks it gives the Bills the best chance. But, why do you assume this team can't win with JP behind center? They certainly have won games in the past with him. My guess is, they won't beat SD if their defense plays the way it did today no matter who is at QB. 10-31, that is why Dean. The guy is not a good qb. I do not know why there are some people that just can not admit that. He is not a winning qb. How much more proof does anybody need. You could take one look at that game & realize he does not have command of the game & probably never will. Jesus Christ, how many times does he have to sh*t the bed before you guys turn the page on him.
UConn James Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Here are my thoughts, although they'll probably be deleted. Again. 44, the mods delete all threads created during the course of the game. They have no compunction about throwing the baby out with the bath water, in this regard. Despite being part of TBD from the Rochester D&C days, this is something that I learned only last year, and when I asked on the chat room --- which included many longtime posters --- no one knew this rule. So, it's not really publicized, and so, people start threads that get deleted, then get pi--ed that they were deleted b/c I don't think it's ever been stated out-and-out. It's not even in the Terms of Service. So, you need to either post in the Game Day thread where any point you want to make gets buried in about 2 minutes, or wait until that final whistle.
Bmwolf21 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Unlike you (and many others) I don't try to guess what was being said, and the circumstances surrounding what happened, and what may have occurred a few minutes later, when no camera was pointed at the Bills' sideline. You, of all people, should know better than to put too much stock in a few snippets of what happens on camera (especially without the sound). Good post. I also didn't think Turk was "ripping JP a new one" as much as others posted. Turk was pissed, but it wasn't over the top or anything. Maybe I'm jaded from watching Jimbo Fisher and Rick Trickett go nuts on their offense at Florida State.
Dan Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Deano, you know what concerned me the most about JP today? When he turned his back on Schonert (who was talking to him) and walked away. If he does this again, I am going to join these lunatics and call for Hamdan to be the number 2. People, did anybody else see this? I saw it as plain as day. I think that too many people are jumping on the bash JP bandwagon. This loss is squarely on the defense. They looked absolutely horrendous in all aspects. Bashing JP does nothing to address the problem with this loss. JP is the backup. He came in and looked like a backup. If he's cut tomorrow, quite honestly, it changes nothing that matters to this team's success this season. In many ways, I'd love to see him traded soon so that we at least get something before he walks after the season. I'm sure Chroise could have led our guys to just as bad a loss. Problem is and was... defense. For 4 consecutive weeks we've allowed teams to come out and get the early lead. What is Fewell going to do about that? That's my question.
Gary M Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Why? I mean, I prefer if the #1 QB is in the game, and thinks it gives the Bills the best chance. But, why do you assume this team can't win with JP behind center? They certainly have won games in the past with him. My guess is, they won't beat SD if their defense plays the way it did today no matter who is at QB. Sorry, I missed the sarcasm button. The D lost this game, and yet some guys still try to find a way to bash JP.
Gordio Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 I have no problem admitting that Trent is a better QB. I wasn't impressed with him last year, but he won me over this season. I'm glad to see someone admit that Trent probably wouldn't have won the game either, with the way the coaching, defense and special teams played. That being said I am tired of seeing posters pin the entire loss on JP when the defense couldn't get within spitting range of Warner and made two defensive stops all game long. I am not pinning the loss on him. The defense sucked. But if you could seriously say after watching this game that Losman is a good qb I really do not know what to say to that.
colin Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 as bad as that was, and as crap as our D is with 3 of our stating secondary out (whitner was out at one point) we would have had some kind of chance if jp sack and turn over machine losman wasn't playing. he is so un clutch it is funny. we need trent healthy and our D is only good if they stay fresh and we can run the ball and keep our O on the pitch. let down game and we deserved to lose.
rockpile Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 7) I agreed with Jauron on the non-challenge. Royal once again reminded us of why the Skins let him walk. We need a tight end folks. 11) Thanks Buffalo Bills, for 4 weeks of elation. Come on....can one person here deny being on top of the world during this streak? I for one believe that we will come back and defeat San Diego. 13. GET WELL TRENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 14) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe the ground caused the fumble. I was angry Jauron did not challenge, but it is only my opinion. I certainly agree we (REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY) need a tight end. Better to be 4-1 then 1-4 anyday! Get well, Trent, for sure. JP is a backup not a leader. Go Bills! I am glad this is our bye week.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Yeah Trent really processed the info fast on the play he was knocked out of the game. You're an idiot. Root for the team and not a player you think is cute. Losman wasn't the reason we lost the game. The defense did that. But if you honestly think Losman is starting QB material, you are retarded.
Gary M Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 10-31, that is why Dean. The guy is not a good qb. I do not know why there are some people that just can not admit that. He is not a winning qb. How much more proof does anybody need. You could take one look at that game & realize he does not have command of the game & probably never will. Jesus Christ, how many times does he have to sh*t the bed before you guys turn the page on him. bull sh--, the ML fumble and the RR fumble were not JP's fault. After that they were playing catch up and facing huge pass rushes. AND LETS NOT FORGET THAT THE DEFENSE SUCKED TODAY.
Bmwolf21 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 I am not pinning the loss on him. The defense sucked. But if you could seriously say after watching this game that Losman is a good qb I really do not know what to say to that. Fair enough. I thought that up to the Royal fumble, JP was playing a very solid game. The wheels came off after the Royal fumble, and at that point the Bills were forced into catch-up mode, and Arizona just teed off on JP and the offense. I think he has a lot of talent, but needs a change of scenery and might become a serviceable QB under someone else's tutelage.
StupidNation Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Peters kept the streak alive Bill. 4 games, 5 sacks. Despite relatively solid pass protection, I didn't see him do all that much when they ran left. That said, nether did Butler, Fowler, Dockery, etc. on any run play. The run blocking has been piss poor this season. That's why the QBs are getting hammered. No one even cares about the Bills ability to run the ball anymore. BTW, I think Jackson hits the hole better than Marshawn. I love Beast Mode but he eyes the big play a bit much. I hope the coaches work with him on this. He needs to pop inside and grab 4 yards instead of looking for the outside so much. McGahee got into that habit when he was here and they never broke him of it. I think we watch the same game. Jackson looks better in this blocking scheme, Peters had some stinkers and yes should be benched. We are rewarding poor play, and severely poor play.
Heels20X6 Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Really, would we have had that much of a chance? When we were down 7, the D, let the team march up the field. Held them to a field goal which was then erased because of an offside which resulted in another TD. Very next play Royal fumbles and we're down 17 points and for intents and purposes the game is over. JP became Bad JP only after the game was pretty much decided. Even before his fumble, if he drove the team down the field and scored, do you think that the defence could have actually stopped Warner two more times for us to mount a comeback? The D plan was terrible today, absolutely terrible. I'm no excusing JP's behaviour but the team should have known that with him behind center they had to play better because he's just not as good as Trent.
Gordio Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 I think that too many people are jumping on the bash JP bandwagon. This loss is squarely on the defense. They looked absolutely horrendous in all aspects. Bashing JP does nothing to address the problem with this loss. JP is the backup. He came in and looked like a backup. If he's cut tomorrow, quite honestly, it changes nothing that matters to this team's success this season. In many ways, I'd love to see him traded soon so that we at least get something before he walks after the season. I'm sure Chroise could have led our guys to just as bad a loss. Problem is and was... defense. For 4 consecutive weeks we've allowed teams to come out and get the early lead. What is Fewell going to do about that? That's my question. Good post, What are you going to get for him though Dan??? They could not give him away in the offseason. Nobody wants him. I really do not understand why it is so tough for people to accept this.
ganesh Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 It was clear to me today why JP is on the bench. Although he made some good plays, overall a pretty poor performance. He held on to the ball too long in the pocket and just didn't look comfortable out there. As soon as Edwards went down I was like 'here we go again..' And I'm wondering with the way the team played today if they didn't feel demoralized after TE went down also. After JP's play today. the respect for TE in that huddle went up a notch. The OL knows that Trent will deliver and bail them out. JP repeatedly has shown a penchant for holding on to the ball too long and looking for Lee Evans. Was Turk held in check because of JP or vice versa...It is hard to tell. If the Bills don't fumble the ball and throw those interceptions. then going into the 4th qtr the game could have been tied or just a score behind....something that the Bills have overcome. Overall, a big whipping...Hope the Bills learned a good lesson going into the Bye... And the most important of all.......Edwards please get well soon in the next two weeks....WE NEED YOU.
Gordio Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 bull sh--, the ML fumble and the RR fumble were not JP's fault. After that they were playing catch up and facing huge pass rushes. AND LETS NOT FORGET THAT THE DEFENSE SUCKED TODAY. the lynch fumble was not jps fault, I never said it was. With that being said, the guy is just not a good qb.
Thirdborn Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 Yeah with the great play of the O-Line & Defense, Trent would have won the game today. I think they would have played harder, and more focused. It certainly would have been a more enjoyable game ... for me, if Trent played more than a series. He produced our 1st first down of the game. What's not to love?
Gary M Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Good post, What are you going to get for him though Dan??? They could not give him away in the offseason. Nobody wants him. I really do not understand why it is so tough for people to accept this. Nobody is going to give the Bills anything for JP, They know they can sign him in January.
Gary M Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 the lynch fumble was not jps fault, I never said it was. With that being said, the guy is just not a good qb. Right, based on a game that the entire team got their asses handed to them. That's fair, I guess.
Gordio Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Nobody is going to give the Bills anything for JP, They know they can sign him in January. Ah whatever, nobody wants losman as a qb, & I think that is going to be pretty obvious this offseason.
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