ExiledInIllinois Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 That is just mass default on everything that is not tied to something and secured? Ie: Credit cards. What are they gonna do? Wreck your credit? Credit will already extremely tight. Oh... And of course STOP spending. Maybe actually live in A (one house) house for 40-50 years. Another note... Think they guy who worked his whole life at US Steel to earn a pension is bitter? They didn't bail them out.
Lurker Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Oh... And of course STOP spending. Maybe actually live in A (one house) house washing machine box for 40-50 years. That'll be about all they can afford when their employer shuts down and the jobless rate goes to 25%...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 2, 2008 Author Posted October 2, 2008 That'll be about all they can afford when their employer shuts down and the jobless rate goes to 25%... Hey... So be it... Did you see the apartments our GI's were living in after the war (WWII)? There was a big housing crunch and man were things small. Let's get back to our roots... Who says you have to live in a +1,200 sqquare foot house?
GG Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 And I didn't think that anyone could top the Congressional Finance committee for lunacy.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 2, 2008 Author Posted October 2, 2008 And I didn't think that anyone could top the Congressional Finance committee for lunacy. I do. It is amazing what a simple thing like a baseball bat can do.
finknottle Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 That is just mass default on everything that is not tied to something and secured? Ie: Credit cards. What are they gonna do? Wreck your credit? Credit will already extremely tight. Thank Joe Biden for pushing the act protecting credit card companies from personal bankruptcy defaults. Not that I'm against it - I just am amused at how his relationship with MBNA and the credit card companies is kept pretty quiet now that he's campaigning as the defender of the little guy.
Lurker Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 protecting credit card companies from personal bankruptcy defaults. Damn right! People should take responsibility and pay back what they owe...isn't that what I hear all the time on Fox?
finknottle Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Damn right! People should take responsibility and pay back what they owe...isn't that what I hear all the time on Fox? Hey, I agree with that. In fact I started out supporting Biden, in part because I respected his standing behind a responsible bill which on the surface favored the credit card companies against the little guy - sure to be unpopular within the party whose nomination he was seeking. I respect courageus stands against the sentiment of ones own party (like his call for troops for Darfur), which is why I never warmed to Obama. It was only later that I learned that his courage was probably more based on his being in the pocket of MBNA, and his son lobbying for the credit card companies.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 2, 2008 Author Posted October 2, 2008 Thank Joe Biden for pushing the act protecting credit card companies from personal bankruptcy defaults. Not that I'm against it - I just am amused at how his relationship with MBNA and the credit card companies is kept pretty quiet now that he's campaigning as the defender of the little guy. Even with the brankruptcy protection... What are the CC's to do? Let the bank charge off the debt. They sell the debt (mostly in mass) to a debt purchaser... Sure the purchaser has a leg to stand on in collecting the debt... But most of the time it can't hold up in court if all all they have is a name, SS # and the name of the company which they purchased the debt from. I never understood why people transfer unsecured debt to say a home equity line.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 2, 2008 Author Posted October 2, 2008 Damn right! People should take responsibility and pay back what they owe...isn't that what I hear all the time on Fox? Wall Street effed up and they are getting helped... So what if the guy on Main Street screws up... Just like Wall Street, they had no intention of screwing up at first... Or did they?
Jon in Pasadena Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 I never understood why people transfer unsecured debt to say a home equity line. Um, I dunno. Maybe because they think that a tax-deductible 7% rate sounds better than a non-deductible 22%? Of course that would only apply if you actually intended to make good on your debt.
Lurker Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 It was only later that I learned that his courage was probably more based on his being in the pocket of MBNA, and his son lobbying for the credit card companies. The credit card companies are the biggest industry in Delaware outside of chicken farming. Pretty hard to not have some contact with them. Does that mean it's OK you do unethical things? No. But I'd be hard pressed to say any senator doesn't have links to whatever the largest industry in their state is either. So it's more about each senator's judgement than it is the corporate lobbying.
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 2, 2008 Author Posted October 2, 2008 Um, I dunno. Maybe because they think that a tax-deductible 7% rate sounds better than a non-deductible 22%? Of course that would only apply if you actually intended to make good on your debt. But... If hard times come a calling... Why would you want to put yourself in a trick bag... At least hold the cards that are an advantage to you.
Jon in Pasadena Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 But... If hard times come a calling... Why would you want to put yourself in a trick bag... At least hold the cards that are an advantage to you.I pay off all my credit card bills monthly no matter how much it hurts (and sometimes it hurts a lot!). It's kept me out of the trick bag so far. Also - there's something to be said for pulling a bunch of equity out of your home *before* the market crashes and your paper equity vanishes. Provided, that is, that you subsequently invest it in something safe with a decent return, rather than blow it on beemers, or whatever it is that these people are doing.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Also - there's something to be said for pulling a bunch of equity out of your home *before* the market crashes and your paper equity vanishes. Provided, that is, that you subsequently invest it in something safe with a decent return, rather than blow it on beemers, or whatever it is that these people are doing. You should always keep your house mortgaged to the hilt. Why? The more morgage interest you pay, the better your tax deduction. Also, banks are far less likely to foreclose on a fully mortgaged home. Not to mention, it's a lot easier and less painless to rent out a home you're having trouble making payments on when you don't have to access that equity because it's already out of the home.
GG Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 You should always keep your house mortgaged to the hilt. Why? The more morgage interest you pay, the better your tax deduction. Also, banks are far less likely to foreclose on a fully mortgaged home. Not to mention, it's a lot easier and less painless to rent out a home you're having trouble making payments on when you don't have to access that equity because it's already out of the home. Yet, you still think that the debt crisis wasn't created by everybody and somebody needs to be taught a lesson.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Yet, you still think that the debt crisis wasn't created by everybody and somebody needs to be taught a lesson. Huh? It wasn't created by EVERYBODY. It was created by irresponsible lenders and borrowers. MY issue with it is that those of us who had NOTHING to do with it are now called upon to "save the economy" without any kind of oversight to ensure the wise use of taxpayer dollars.
GG Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 Huh? It wasn't created by EVERYBODY. It was created by irresponsible lenders and borrowers. MY issue with it is that those of us who had NOTHING to do with it are now called upon to "save the economy" without any kind of oversight to ensure the wise use of taxpayer dollars. So you're saying that people who max out the borrowing capacity on their homes have zero impact on the rising mortgage debt, as long as they keep making payments. Did I get that right?
DC Tom Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 So you're saying that people who max out the borrowing capacity on their homes have zero impact on the rising mortgage debt, as long as they keep making payments. Did I get that right? I didn't see where he said anything about making payments...
RI Bills Fan Posted October 3, 2008 Posted October 3, 2008 So you're saying that people who max out the borrowing capacity on their homes have zero impact on the rising mortgage debt, as long as they keep making payments. Did I get that right? Isn't that what GWB has been telling us since 9-11? Isn't the best, most patriotic thing, for True Americans to do, spending every dime they can lay their hands on to keep the consumer driven economy running in high gear? Wasn't that how True American's were supposed to support the war effort?
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