erynthered Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Thoughts? On the money. But it should have called out the role of Barney Frank too, since he figures prominantly in the Democratic narrative of what happened and who can fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 On the money. But it should have called out the role of Barney Frank too, since he figures prominantly in the Democratic narrative of what happened and who can fix it. Fannie and Freddie were the tip of the iceberg. Both parties own this mess yet they're too busy pointing fingers and placing blame to actually !@#$ing fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted September 30, 2008 Share Posted September 30, 2008 Fannie and Freddie were the tip of the iceberg. Both parties own this mess yet they're too busy pointing fingers and placing blame to actually !@#$ing fix it. I agree in essence, but put most of the blame on Frank. Regardless, I was answering from the political perspective of whether it was a good ad for McCain, not as an assessmnt of whether it was a complete and fair accounting of the situation. And in that sense, Frank should definately be a target. To preempt any examination of his role in this mess, he has been leading the charge in blaming Republican deregulation for the situation, and has assumed the role of being the savior who can clean up the mess with better oversight. Left unchecked, this spin will stick, and we'll have the same guy who caused many of the problems in charge of fixing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 I think a lot of his ignoring reforms was that his "spouse" (his words) in the 90s was an officer in Freddie or Fannie. They are still on good terms today. This is not the guy that ran the prostitution ring out of Frank's brownstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 When I first heard Clinton make this statement, it was like Lane Kiffen not calling timeouts while the Bills were lining up to kick a game winning field goal. At the time it was like a big FU to Al Davis, and this was essentially Bill Clinton giving a big FU to Obama. This is getting increasingly more play. Bad news for Obama. But hey...he'll just denounce Bill Clinton and all will be forgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Fannie and Freddie were the tip of the iceberg. Both parties own this mess yet they're too busy pointing fingers and placing blame to actually !@#$ing fix it. in this ad, John McCain is going to all these lengths to show blame, and absolutely jack about what he's gonna do about it. If you couple that with most polls showing large percentages of the country saying that they trust Obama a lot more to fix the economy, seems like it's McCain's job to show what value he adds, not who caused that particular part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Fannie and Freddie were the tip of the iceberg. Both parties own this mess yet they're too busy pointing fingers and placing blame to actually !@#$ing fix it. There really isn't any fixing it, to be perfectly frank. The credit markets...yeah, they might be able to fix those. The housing market...that's going to take a while. That, though...a real estate crunch is just painful. A credit crunch...quick, certain death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 in this ad, John McCain is going to all these lengths to show blame, and absolutely jack about what he's gonna do about it. If you couple that with most polls showing large percentages of the country saying that they trust Obama a lot more to fix the economy, seems like it's McCain's job to show what value he adds, not who caused that particular part of the problem. Large percentages of the country also don't think the credit markets have any effect on them...which they probably point out as frequently as they use their MasterCards. It is a good ad, though, in that it's effective. It may very well be a load of sh-- (probably is) with no basis in fact. But as a marketing tool, it's excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede316 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 McCain better watch...Obama might sue him: Obama Campaign Threatens Legal Action Over NRA Ads- Campaign and DNC Launch Assault On First Amendment! "Earlier this week, NRA-PVF released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF's ads. They have sent intimidating cease and desist letters to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads." http://www.nraila.org/ Obama's a typical lawyer and typical of his strong arm tactics and his will to do anything to get elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 McCain is on the ropes right now. They are trying anything and everything... it's going to get really dirty soon. Good thing is that Palin is expected to speak tomorrow night. That will completely drive the voters away from McCain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 McCain better watch...Obama might sue him: Obama Campaign Threatens Legal Action Over NRA Ads- Campaign and DNC Launch Assault On First Amendment! "Earlier this week, NRA-PVF released a series of radio and television spots to educate gun owners and sportsmen about Barack Obama's longstanding anti-gun record. In response to the NRA-PVF ads, a clearly panicked Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC) are doing everything they can to hide Obama's real record by mounting a coordinated assault on the First Amendment. They have gone to desperate and outrageous lengths to try to silence your NRA by bullying media outlets with threats of lawsuits if they run NRA-PVF's ads. They have sent intimidating cease and desist letters to cable operators and television stations, threatening their FCC licenses if they run the ads." http://www.nraila.org/ Obama's a typical lawyer and typical of his strong arm tactics and his will to do anything to get elected. And McCain is not doing anything to get elected? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew in CA Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 And McCain is not doing anything to get elected? Give me a break. Every candidate will do anything to get him/herself elected, regardless of previous statements or convictions. It's a f'n game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 McCain better do something, he is falling behind in some pretty key states: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081001/ap_on_...Y645kVNcVOyFz4D WASHINGTON - Recently trailing or tied, Democrat Barack Obama now leads Republican John McCain in a trio of the most critical, vote-rich states five weeks before the election, according to presidential poll results released Wednesday. ADVERTISEMENT<---------someone is trying to sell you something The Democrat's support jumped to 50 percent or above in Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania in Quinnipiac University surveys taken during the weekend — after the opening presidential debate and during Monday's dramatic stock market plunge as the House rejected a $700 billion financial bailout plan. Combined, these states offer 68 of the 270 electoral votes needed for victory on Election Day, Nov. 4. Pollsters attributed Obama's improved standing to the public's general approval of his debate performance, antipathy toward GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin and heightened confidence in the Illinois senator's ability to handle the economic crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted October 1, 2008 Share Posted October 1, 2008 Large percentages of the country also don't think the credit markets have any effect on them...which they probably point out as frequently as they use their MasterCards. It is a good ad, though, in that it's effective. It may very well be a load of sh-- (probably is) with no basis in fact. But as a marketing tool, it's excellent. I agree that most don't connect the credit problem, how can the ad be effective if it's a blame game by a candidate that isn't considered to be a good fit for the solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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