Johnny Coli Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 More gimmicks. He's looked incompetent and confused for two weeks now, and his solution is to stop campaigning two days before a debate. Color the American people underwhelmed by his "leadership." A snap poll shows 86% of those polled think the debate should go on. SUSA snap poll Immediately after John McCain's announcement 3 pm ET today, Wednesday 09/24/08, that he was suspending his campaign and seeking to postpone Friday's schedule presidential debate, SurveyUSA interviewed 1,000 adults nationwide. Key findings: A majority of Americans say the debate should be held. Just 10% say the debate should be postponed. A sizable percentage of Americans, 36%, think the focus of the debate should be modified to focus more on the economy. 3 of 4 Americans say the presidential campaign should continue. Just 14% say the presidential campaign should be suspended. If Friday's debate does not take place 46%, of Americans say that would be bad for America. The Palin gambit failed in spectacular fashion. His latest gimmick doesn't make him look like a leader...it makes him look like a coward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Yeah, let's deflect the truth by bashing the messenger. The fact that McCain's campaign manager was getting $15K per month up until last month still stands, whether it was revealed by the Times, the DNC or the Little Sisters of Chairity. Does he own the Post, too? Yes, let's decide on the truth, when all reports say that the firm received the payments, while Davis left the firm and hasn't gotten zero $$ from the firm in two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Yeah, let's deflect the truth by bashing the messenger. The fact that McCain's campaign manager was getting $15K per month up until last month still stands, whether it was revealed by the Times, the DNC or the Little Sisters of Chairity. Does he own the Post, too? How about Roll Call? "Today the New York Times launched its latest attack on this campaign in its capacity as an Obama advocacy organization. Let us be clear about what this story alleges: The New York Times charges that McCain-Palin 2008 campaign manager Rick Davis was paid by Freddie Mac until last month, contrary to previous reporting, as well as statements by this campaign and by Mr. Davis himself. In fact, the allegation is demonstrably false. As has been previously reported, Mr. Davis separated from his consulting firm, Davis Manafort, in 2006. As has been previously reported, Mr. Davis has seen no income from Davis Manafort since 2006. Zero. Mr. Davis has received no salary or compensation since 2006. Mr. Davis has received no profit or partner distributions from that firm on any basis -- weekly, bi-weekly, monthly, bi-monthly, quarterly, semi-annual or annual -- since 2006. Again, zero. Neither has Mr. Davis received any equity in the firm based on profits derived since his financial separation from Davis Manafort in 2006. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 No worries! Sarah Palin is left http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/palin Palin? left? Two words that do not go well together!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Hey Barrack...you can have a debate and save the economy at the same time, but you can't take the time to teach Biden how to stop all the embarrassing drivel that comes out of his mouth? Really? You can't even control your right-hand guy? And you want to fix the economy??? Hey Barrack...do you really think you'll be able to hide your lack of foreign policy experience by taking the debate that is to be about foreign policy and making it about the economy? What a !@#$ing joke this guy is. He has all the leadership skills of Elmer Fudd. The first debate was supposed to be about the economy, but the Obama campaign lobbied to have the first debate changed to foreign policy. So, one of these candidates chose to meet his perceived weak point head on, the other is reducing the presidential vetting process to gimmicks. I actually like that Biden is vocal. The people who have a problem with Biden are in a shrinking minority. That's in stark contrast to the "other VP pick" whose numbers are dropping almost as fast as the Dow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Yes, let's decide on the truth, when all reports say that the firm received the payments, while Davis left the firm and hasn't gotten zero $$ from the firm in two years. Isn't he a principal in the firm? Did he cash out his equity stake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 In fact, the allegation is demonstrably false. As has been previously reported, Mr. Davis separated from his consulting firm, Davis Manafort, in 2006. As has been previously reported, Mr. Davis has seen no income from Davis Manafort since 2006. Zero. Mr. Davis has received no salary or compensation since 2006. Mr. Davis has received no profit or partner distributions from that firm on any basis -- weekly, bi-weekly, monthly, bi-monthly, quarterly, semi-annual or annual -- since 2006. Again, zero. Neither has Mr. Davis received any equity in the firm based on profits derived since his financial separation from Davis Manafort in 2006. " He may not have received dollars, but I'm unclear as to how revenue accuring to the firm doesn't benefit it's overall health--hence his equity stake. You can dissemble any way you like, but Davis benefits from the payments through his ownership stake. Maybe not in terms of cash flow today, but certainly after the first Tuesday in November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Isn't he a principal in the firm? Did he cash out his equity stake? So now the goalposts have moved? Address the allegation that Davis was paid $15k/month by Fan/Fred, then we can discuss whether he still has an equity interest that can give rise to a conflict of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 So now the goalposts have moved? Address the allegation that Davis was paid $15k/month by Fan/Fred, then we can discuss whether he still has an equity interest that can give rise to a conflict of interest. I'll ask again. Is he a principal in the firm? We'll move on to the payment after we answer this question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I'll ask again. Is he a principal in the firm? We'll move on to the payment after we answer this question... Sorry, the allegation that NYT and YOU made was that he received the payments. Did he or did he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 And Joe Biden can talk about Indians working in 7-11 when Pakistan comes up. I think McCain didn't want to talk about spending billions more in Iraq for 100 years when we have so many expensive problems here right now. It was suppose to be a foreign policy debate and it was bound to degenerate into talk on the economy one way or another. McCain didn't want that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 If you actually did it, I'd call you a Patriot. Well its a start but unfortunately it almost feels like a true patriot would start a revolution. It really would be nice if we had a third choice that wasn't a wacko from a fringe party. We need another Teddy ( Roosevelt that is ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The Messiah's reply to going to DC- "Call me if you need me". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Coli Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 Sorry, the allegation that NYT and YOU made was that he received the payments. Did he or did he not? Yeah, no way a guy whose name is first on the letterhead of a lobbying firm getting 15k a month for years from Freddie Mac got anying out of that arrangement. Was Davis the one cashing the checks? Doubtful. But he, sorry his firm , was kept on the Freddie Mac payroll because of his ties to McCain. That's right there in the NYT article and in the Newsweek article. No one at Davis Manafort other than Mr. Davis was involved in efforts on Freddie Mac’s behalf, the people familiar with the arrangement said. So, Freddie Mac is giving his firm 15k a month because he's McCain's campaign manager, and no one else at his firm was handling the account. The question shouldn't be "was Davis pocketing the retainer personally," it should be what the !@#$ Freddie Mac hoped to get out of the deal for $2 million dollars and unfettered access to McCain. Keep arguing about who signed the checks, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 The Messiah's reply to going to DC- "Call me if you need me". Why should he accept the invitation of a panic stricken old man who is losing an election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 At a press conference just now, Barack Obama rejected John McCain's demand for a suspension of the debate. "I believe we should continue to have the debate," he just said. "I believe it makes sense for us to present ourselves to the American people." "Obviously if it turns out that we need to be in Washington, we've both got big planes, we've painted our slogan on the side of them," Obama also said. "They can get us from Washington to Mississippi pretty quickly." The debate is set to take place in Mississippi. Obama also said that he was blindsided by McCain's public call for a debates suspension. After describing their conversation about a possible suspension, Obama said: "I thought that this was something that he was mulling over. Apparently this was something that he was more decisive about in his own mind." http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmem...ains_call_f.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 What about Barney Frank,who was instrumental in blocking reforms, was the "spouse" of one of the officers of Fannie Mae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 What were the other 98 guys/gals doing during their watch? Biden, Hillary, Dodd, and Sam Brownback were running for President Dunno what the other 94 were doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 I think McCain didn't want to talk about spending billions more in Iraq for 100 years when we have so many expensive problems here right now. It was suppose to be a foreign policy debate and it was bound to degenerate into talk on the economy one way or another. McCain didn't want that You mean how we are still in germany 60 years later? Way to take something completely out of context. How would preset questions about Foreign Policy degenerate to economic policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 24, 2008 Share Posted September 24, 2008 You mean how we are still in germany 60 years later? Way to take something completely out of context. How would preset questions about Foreign Policy degenerate to economic policy? How? That's easy. As a matter of fact Obama could just pick up on the debate already in progress. People have been complaining about the cost of this miserable occupation for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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