Bill from NYC Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Not too much of a surprise when one looks back at the Pataki/McCall election. It was the biggest landslide in the history of the state. It seems that although NYS has a ton of leftists, the are not always so "liberal" when it comes time to vote for an African-American. Obama has zero chance to win the election if he fails to carry NY. In fact, it wouldn't even be close in terms of electoral votes. Disclaimer: This is not a pro-McCain post. He is the worst repub candidate I have ever seen, and this includes GW and Dole, although I do confess to liking Palin. No, this post is more about leftists, who love to portray others as racists, running away from a black candidate as if hell is chasing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I wouldn't read too much into a narrowing of the polls in NY this far ahead of the election. Lazio-Clinton was almost deadlocked when he 1st entered the race, and he was down by nearly 10 points after he "attacked" her in the 1st debate and lost in a landslide. IF NY goes for McCain, then Obama will be lucky to carry 10 states, but there is still a lot of time left and Obama still has a large lead. I don't see Obama losing NY. Although, if the polling gets close, w/ Obama's warchest, we may actually see general election Presidential political ads run in NY for the 1st time in a long time (they probably haven't been run here since Reagan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I hate to tell you , but I am thinking of a McGovern like loss for the Messiah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Will McCain, if he wins, be more unpopular than Bush? I mean really, no one really likes the guy. The majority of his support is anti-Obama or pro-Palin in nature. Bush at least has the GOP base to fall back on. Democrats won't like him and the first time McCain tries to act in a bi-partisan nature the GOP base will hate him. If he tries to do something to deal with global warming the curtin will fall. What can he do to make the right happy? Appoint an anti-abortion judge? Perhaps "standing up to" the Democratic Congress will win him some support I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I guess the Daily Show would benefit from four more years of Palin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 Will McCain, if he wins, be more unpopular than Bush? I mean really, no one really likes the guy. The majority of his support is anti-Obama or pro-Palin in nature. Bush at least has the GOP base to fall back on. Democrats won't like him and the first time McCain tries to act in a bi-partisan nature the GOP base will hate him. If he tries to do something to deal with global warming the curtin will fall. What can he do to make the right happy? Appoint an anti-abortion judge? Perhaps "standing up to" the Democratic Congress will win him some support I guess. You might be correct about all of this. I don't know, but I disagree with McCain (and Obama) about almost every important issue. I cannot support him after he authored the Amnesty Bill, let alone voted against drilling and the tax cuts. I am certain that you hate her, but Palin brings a breath of fresh air to this election. I love it that she is married to a union member, and wants to drill. She is smart and tough. The wrong repub is running for president imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Not too much of a surprise when one looks back at the Pataki/McCall election. It was the biggest landslide in the history of the state. It seems that although NYS has a ton of leftists, the are not always so "liberal" when it comes time to vote for an African-American. Obama has zero chance to win the election if he fails to carry NY. In fact, it wouldn't even be close in terms of electoral votes. Disclaimer: This is not a pro-McCain post. He is the worst repub candidate I have ever seen, and this includes GW and Dole, although I do confess to liking Palin. No, this post is more about leftists, who love to portray others as racists, running away from a black candidate as if hell is chasing them. Yeh, I know a few of them between the ultra right and them, they are some of the biggest hypocrites I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 You might be correct about all of this. I don't know, but I disagree with McCain (and Obama) about almost every important issue. I cannot support him after he authored the Amnesty Bill, let alone voted against drilling and the tax cuts. I am certain that you hate her, but Palin brings a breath of fresh air to this election. I love it that she is married to a union member, and wants to drill. She is smart and tough. The wrong repub is running for president imo. Might be fun watching her being President Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Will McCain, if he wins, be more unpopular than Bush? I mean really, no one really likes the guy. Says who? Perhaps you should widen your acquaintanceship beyond other bitter, hate spewing left wingers. I guess the Daily Show would benefit from four more years of Palin Good point. Isn't the likelihood of an Obama victory a concern for all the left wing humor shows? Not that I necessarily put the Daily Show in that category, but it's not too far off. But for people like Maher and Colbert, what would they have to talk about if their party held both exec and legislative branches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Good point. Isn't the likelihood of an Obama victory a concern for all the left wing humor shows? Not that I necessarily put the Daily Show in that category, but it's not too far off. But for people like Maher and Colbert, what would they have to talk about if their party held both exec and legislative branches? Papa bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Says who? Perhaps you should widen your acquaintanceship beyond other bitter, hate spewing left wingers. I know Conservatives and they do not like McCain. And after the amnesty bill the Conservatives threw more sh-- at him with more venom than any lefty ever threw at Bush, imo. He won his primary victory by splitting the hard right vote to begin with. He's the anti-Obama to most Republicans. That's it. I'd say he might even be liked by Democrats like me more than the he is by the Republican base if he wins. Just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Not too much of a surprise when one looks back at the Pataki/McCall election. It was the biggest landslide in the history of the state. It seems that although NYS has a ton of leftists, the are not always so "liberal" when it comes time to vote for an African-American. Obama has zero chance to win the election if he fails to carry NY. In fact, it wouldn't even be close in terms of electoral votes. Disclaimer: This is not a pro-McCain post. He is the worst repub candidate I have ever seen, and this includes GW and Dole, although I do confess to liking Palin. No, this post is more about leftists, who love to portray others as racists, running away from a black candidate as if hell is chasing them. One poll aint enough to say anything about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I'd say he might even be liked by Democrats like me more than the he is by the Republican base if he wins. Which explains why he is a better choice than an extremist like Obama. McCain is a moderate who has had to play to the right but won't govern that way. Obama is a leftist who has had to play to the middle but won't govern that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornerville Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I guess the Daily Show would benefit from four more years of Palin Which is the show that you libs turn for for validation. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 One poll aint enough to say anything about anything. Let me know when it means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 I know Conservatives and they do not like McCain. And after the amnesty bill the Conservatives threw more sh-- at him with more venom than any lefty ever threw at Bush, imo. He won his primary victory by splitting the hard right vote to begin with. He's the anti-Obama to most Republicans. That's it. I'd say he might even be liked by Democrats like me more than the he is by the Republican base if he wins. Just my opinion Liberals will go for Obama and Conservatives will go for McCain (especially w/ Palin on the ticket). The battle will be won in the middle and McCain has a history of being considered to be in the middle, as your comment attests. It'll be interesting to see if Obama can tack back to the middle in the debates. If he can't and/or if Obama locks like NY are in play (as stated earlier, I don't believe it is), Wacka is probably right about this being '88 redux. We'll know a lot more about how this will go after a couple of debates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Let me know when it means anything. It isn't, especially without being able to examine the cross tabs of the poll. Was it influenced by any biases? Was it a result that was outside of the confidence range? Was there computing error? To trust the results of a poll such as this, you really need more than just one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Which is the show that you libs turn for for validation. Sad. No, just for a good laugh. I mean like the GOP stating that Palin has foreign policy experience because she is near Russia, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 16, 2008 Share Posted September 16, 2008 Liberals will go for Obama and Conservatives will go for McCain (especially w/ Palin on the ticket). The battle will be won in the middle and McCain has a history of being considered to be in the middle, as your comment attests. It'll be interesting to see if Obama can tack back to the middle in the debates. If he can't and/or if Obama locks like NY are in play (as stated earlier, I don't believe it is), Wacka is probably right about this being '88 redux. We'll know a lot more about how this will go after a couple of debates. I was commenting about the post-election feelings. McCain as president would be interesting if nothing else. A scary thought is that his first term might see him acting like he is now in the election campaign with all the lies, distortions and such. He might need to to keep the cultural conservatives with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 16, 2008 Author Share Posted September 16, 2008 It isn't, especially without being able to examine the cross tabs of the poll. Was it influenced by any biases? Was it a result that was outside of the confidence range? Was there computing error? To trust the results of a poll such as this, you really need more than just one... Does this count? Let me know when it starts to matter because this could be the beginning of a trend, or so it would appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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