Buffan00 Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Noticed Trent throwing a little deeper and the few he hit to Evans seemed planned strikes deep. This is a contrast to last season, and it seems he's eased fears of not having a vertical threat deep downfield. Do you think we see more of this, or was it a gameplan for Seattle and their weak secondary?
MarkyMannn Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Noticed Trent throwing a little deeper and the few he hit to Evans seemed planned strikes deep. This is a contrast to last season, and it seems he's eased fears of not having a vertical threat deep downfield. Do you think we see more of this, or was it a gameplan for Seattle and their weak secondary? Today's Buff News Story
JinWPB Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 I'm still not sure about Trent's really long passing game ( over 50yds in the air) .We really haven't seen much of that yet. His midrange passing game 20-40 yds looks great though. I don't think his arm strength is an issue for the long ball, just timing and getting the right arch to the throw, we'll see. We all know JP has a great long ball, but there is more to the game than that alone. From what I've seen from Trent so far, he is getting the ball far enough down field to stretch the defense and that's what counts.
Phlegm Alley Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 3 completions last game of 30 yards or more. The proof is in the pudding.
Albany,n.y. Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 I'm still not sure about Trent's really long passing game ( over 50yds in the air) .We really haven't seen much of that yet. His midrange passing game 20-40 yds looks great though. I don't think his arm strength is an issue for the long ball, just timing and getting the right arch to the throw, we'll see. We all know JP has a great long ball, but there is more to the game than that alone. From what I've seen from Trent so far, he is getting the ball far enough down field to stretch the defense and that's what counts. Do you know that in 65% of the games where JP got sufficient enough playing time (I eliminated the mop up/injured early games), he did not complete a pass that resulted in a gain of over 50 yards. I don't have the tapes, but I'll bet that most of those 50+ yard completions did not travel over 50 yards in the air. In all probability, most were a 30-40 yd pass that included 10-20+ RAC yards. Some might have even been screens.
ganesh Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 I'm still not sure about Trent's really long passing game ( over 50yds in the air) .We really haven't seen much of that yet. His midrange passing game 20-40 yds looks great though. I don't think his arm strength is an issue for the long ball, just timing and getting the right arch to the throw, we'll see. We all know JP has a great long ball, but there is more to the game than that alone. From what I've seen from Trent so far, he is getting the ball far enough down field to stretch the defense and that's what counts. You win with the short passing game...that moves the chains not by low percentage 50+yard throws....Plus you play to the strength of your players...Even with the additiion of Stroud, our defense is suited for staying on the field for short period of time...The Offense has to control the clock and manage the game.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Trent just doesn't throw the deep ball well yet. But I have confidence that he will learn. Any ball over 30 yards is long, it doesn't have to be 50 yards in the air. What he CAN do already are the 30 or so lobs, like the one over the shoulder to Evans. And the 30 yard darts like the TD to Royal. He still has a lot of trouble underthrowing speed receivers deep over 35 or so yards, still often lofts the ball too much. But we don't need him to have the good long passing game yet if he can control the game, and make the downfield balls to Evans or Parrish about 30 yards downfield so the defense cant stack the LOS.
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 drive for show putt for doe Hey, somebody get those deer off the golf course!
lets_go_bills Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 While clearly he does not have that "cannon arm", he certainly has a nice touch and is quite accurate. Evans is a great WR, but Edwards really threw those passes beautifully. They weren't easy throws. I love what I saw.
WellDressed Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 How can gaughan not know that trent was out with a thigh bruise and not a hamstring??
murra Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Do you know that in 65% of the games where JP got sufficient enough playing time (I eliminated the mop up/injured early games), he did not complete a pass that resulted in a gain of over 50 yards. I don't have the tapes, but I'll bet that most of those 50+ yard completions did not travel over 50 yards in the air. In all probability, most were a 30-40 yd pass that included 10-20+ RAC yards. Some might have even been screens. Even using stats you sound like an idiot claiming that JP doesn't have a strong arm.
RJ (not THAT RJ) Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Even using stats you sound like an idiot claiming that JP doesn't have a strong arm. I did not see that as his point. The point is that, even with his admittedly strong arm, JP was not exactly flinging it around all the time for deep balls. Truth is, it is quite rare for a QB to throw a ball 50 yards in the air very often, and it is generally a low-percentage throw. It is cool when they do it, but it is more important that they have the arm strength and accuracy to hit the 20-yard out, or fit the ball into a tight window across the middle. That was where JP has had problems, and it is where TE looks to have more promise.
Flbillsfan#1 Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 You win with the short passing game...that moves the chains not by low percentage 50+yard throws....Plus you play to the strength of your players...Even with the additiion of Stroud, our defense is suited for staying on the field for short period of time...The Offense has to control the clock and manage the game. I just want to see Trent throw the ball past the line of scrimmage, especially on 3rd down. He had a good game last week, let's keep it going.
Guest dog14787 Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 As the season goes on and TE gets more into a rythm, I would imagine Turk Shonert is going to dial up the long ball more and more to stretch out some of the defenses we face. Meanwhile Marshawn and our huge O-line is going to be chewing off huge chunks of yardage on the ground making it real hard for opposing D's to decide which is the worst of the two evils, TE arm, or Marshawn's legs and the opposing D will be very, very sad they can't seem to get the mangy beast off of the field in a timely manner, the Buffalo just kinda does what he wants like he thinks he owns the joint or something, geesh
BillsWatch Posted September 13, 2008 Posted September 13, 2008 Despite their size the OL has shown to be better at protection of QB than run blocking. This tends to indicate they are going throw more and since they give QB time to throw the long ball can be dialed up when there is a good match-up and WRs can create space between DBs.
FreakPop Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Trent can't throw deep because he doesn't have the proper throwing mechanics that would allow him to throw deep. He brings the ball up to his ear and basically shot puts the ball. He need to rooster the ball way behind his ear and even past his head, kind of like a baseball player. Until he gets better throwing mechanics he will never be able to throw the ball very far.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Noticed Trent throwing a little deeper and the few he hit to Evans seemed planned strikes deep. Impossible. As we all know and are constantly reminded Trent has the arm strength of a 3 year old girl coming off Tommy John surgery. He and Losman must've switched numbers. [/sarcasm]
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Trent can't throw deep because he doesn't have the proper throwing mechanics that would allow him to throw deep. He brings the ball up to his ear and basically shot puts the ball. He need to rooster the ball way behind his ear and even past his head, kind of like a baseball player. Until he gets better throwing mechanics he will never be able to throw the ball very far. Don Shula re: Dan Marino. "He doesn't bring the ball up and throw it with that long arm motion. It's 'boom' and the ball's gone with a tremendous whip of the shoulders." How was his deep ball?
San-O Posted September 14, 2008 Posted September 14, 2008 Don Shula re: Dan Marino. "He doesn't bring the ball up and throw it with that long arm motion. It's 'boom' and the ball's gone with a tremendous whip of the shoulders." How was his deep ball? I have noticed Trent does seem to have an odd throwing motion. Also, seems to bounce/hop around just before releasing sometimes. Not a QB coach. Just seeing this pattern when passing. Anyone else seeing similar?
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