PastaJoe Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 If Obama had this interview 19 months ago under the same pressure, he may not be where he is today, which is why she will have more chances. That's the point. Obama has been in the national spotlight, being vetted and tested every day for 19 months. We know all about him, warts and all, and what his policies would be on any number of topics. Biden and McCain are also known quantities. But now we're expected to make an informed decision on a person most knew nothing about in the next 60 days, while she is being tightly controlled and handled. It was very disturbing when she had the deer in the headlight moment when asked about the Bush Doctrine, to think that this person who only visited Canada and Mexico before last year, and thinks seeing Russia across the border qualifies her to be the potential commander-in-chief. We've just gone through 8 years with a president who had a similar disinterest in international affairs before taking office. And she still buys into the idea that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11, as she expressed yesterday when talking to her son's brigade, that they would “defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans.” http://www.buffalonews.com/180/story/437066.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 That's the point. Obama has been in the national spotlight, being vetted and tested every day for 19 months. We know all about him, warts and all, and what his policies would be on any number of topics. Biden and McCain are also known quantities. But now we're expected to make an informed decision on a person most knew nothing about in the next 60 days, while she is being tightly controlled and handled. It was very disturbing when she had the deer in the headlight moment when asked about the Bush Doctrine, to think that this person who only visited Canada and Mexico before last year, and thinks seeing Russia across the border qualifies her to be the potential commander-in-chief. We've just gone through 8 years with a president who had a similar disinterest in international affairs before taking office. And she still buys into the idea that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11, as she expressed yesterday when talking to her son's brigade, that they would “defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans.” http://www.buffalonews.com/180/story/437066.html and, and...I think 19 months ago Obama's experience on the Foreign Relations committee would have him a leg up on what we saw last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Being more neoconservative than your average bear, I admit that I would not have been able to answer the question about the "Bush Doctrine" as it was phrased in the interview. I also guarantee that 99.9999% of the braintrust here wouldn't either, without first going to Wiki. But carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 That's the point. Obama has been in the national spotlight, being vetted and tested every day for 19 months. We know all about him, warts and all, and what his policies would be on any number of topics. Biden and McCain are also known quantities. But now we're expected to make an informed decision on a person most knew nothing about in the next 60 days, while she is being tightly controlled and handled. It was very disturbing when she had the deer in the headlight moment when asked about the Bush Doctrine, to think that this person who only visited Canada and Mexico before last year, and thinks seeing Russia across the border qualifies her to be the potential commander-in-chief. We've just gone through 8 years with a president who had a similar disinterest in international affairs before taking office. And she still buys into the idea that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11, as she expressed yesterday when talking to her son's brigade, that they would “defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans.” http://www.buffalonews.com/180/story/437066.html The more i read about Palin the more i wish Mc Cain has really really a solid health.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Being more neoconservative than your average bear, I admit that I would not have been able to answer the question about the "Bush Doctrine" as it was phrased in the interview. I also guarantee that 99.9999% of the braintrust here wouldn't either, without first going to Wiki. But carry on. Does that mean i'm one in a million?!! Thanks for the compliment GG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Being more neoconservative than your average bear, I admit that I would not have been able to answer the question about the "Bush Doctrine" as it was phrased in the interview. I also guarantee that 99.9999% of the braintrust here wouldn't either, without first going to Wiki. But carry on. I'll admit, I was surprised when Gibson said it was pre-emptive war. I thought it was about Bush's spreading of democracy by force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Does that mean i'm one in a million?!! Thanks for the compliment GG! Which Bush Doctrine would that be? The original neocon version of spreading democracy & free markets, the later global war on terror, the pre-emptive strikes on enemies of USA or whatever else pops into the definition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Being more neoconservative than your average bear, I admit that I would not have been able to answer the question about the "Bush Doctrine" as it was phrased in the interview. I also guarantee that 99.9999% of the braintrust here wouldn't either, without first going to Wiki. But carry on. I read the WSJ every day. I watch MTP every week. I read the Economist. I visit a million other web news sources. I thought the Bush Doctrine was as Charlie later defined it. But, and this is a big but, I have not heard the term nearly enough to have been confident in that definition, and would have asked what he meant too. Part of me would have thought it was something about spreading democracy and freedom to oppressed people. She understands what his policy is--not necessarily the somewhat newly-coined term for it. She scares me, but not for this little item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK2000 Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 Being more neoconservative than your average bear, I admit that I would not have been able to answer the question about the "Bush Doctrine" as it was phrased in the interview. I also guarantee that 99.9999% of the braintrust here wouldn't either, without first going to Wiki.But carry on. I'd hope that a VP candidate would be slightly more aware of foreign policy than people who frequent the politics sub-forum of a Buffalo Bills message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I read the WSJ every day. I watch MTP every week. I read the Economist. I visit a million other web news sources. I thought the Bush Doctrine was as Charlie later defined it. But, and this is a big but, I have not heard the term nearly enough to have been confident in that definition, and would have asked what he meant too. Part of me would have thought it was something about spreading democracy and freedom to oppressed people. She understands what his policy is--not necessarily the somewhat newly-coined term for it. She scares me, but not for this little item. But that's the rub, the "Bush Doctrine" has not been singularly defined as a specific policy, rather than describing a set of principles which have evolved all the time. Most everyone knows the doctrine once it's put into the context of a conversation, but it's a stretch to give it the same official standing as the Monroe Doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 That's the point. Obama has been in the national spotlight, being vetted and tested every day for 19 months. We know all about him, warts and all, and what his policies would be on any number of topics. Biden and McCain are also known quantities. But now we're expected to make an informed decision on a person most knew nothing about in the next 60 days, while she is being tightly controlled and handled. It was very disturbing when she had the deer in the headlight moment when asked about the Bush Doctrine, to think that this person who only visited Canada and Mexico before last year, and thinks seeing Russia across the border qualifies her to be the potential commander-in-chief. We've just gone through 8 years with a president who had a similar disinterest in international affairs before taking office. And she still buys into the idea that Iraq was somehow connected to 9/11, as she expressed yesterday when talking to her son's brigade, that they would “defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans.” http://www.buffalonews.com/180/story/437066.html No he hasn't. Where are the questions to Obama on Ayers, Rezko, and the other shady characters he associates with? Lets see his healt records. Lets see his papers from his Ill. State Legislature terms. What is he hiding? Let's see his grades from College and Harvard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK2000 Posted September 12, 2008 Author Share Posted September 12, 2008 No he hasan't. Where are the questions to Obama on Ayers, Rezko, and the other shady characters he associates with? Lets see his healt records. Lets see his papers from his Ill. State Legislature terms. What is he hiding? Let's see his gradesfrom College and Harvard. College AND Harvard????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Yeah. He went to Occidental and Columbia too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 That's the point. Obama has been in the national spotlight, being vetted and tested every day for 19 months. We know all about him, warts and all, and what his policies would be on any number of topics. http://www.buffalonews.com/180/story/437066.html Do we really? He won't allow his transcript from his undergraduate days at Columbia University to be released.He "lost" his thesis on Soviet nuclear policy (see "Where in the World is Obama's Missing Thesis" which might provide insight regarding his seeming lack of knowledge about Soviet policy during the Kennedy years). He won't answer questions about his days at Harvard Law School. He "lost" his Illinois Senate records. He will only release a simple one-page letter from his doctor on his medical condition. He won't release his application to the state bar, which, as National Review's Jim Geraghty notes raises questions about whether he told the truth about parking tickets and drug use, among other issues. He won't disclose list of his clients from his law firm days or the nature of the work he did for them as a lawyer (his clients include the indicted political fixer Tony Rezko). He walks away from uncomfortable questions about Rezko at a news conference. His cultists try to shut down inquiry into his stewardship of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge by sliming a journalist investigating his days at the helm of that group, which blew through $100 million dollars with no discernible benefit for the schools and students that it was putatively designed to help (what does the constitutional law lecturer say to the chilling of free speech by his acolytes?). He tries to muddle his long-standing ties with Pastor Wright by producing a version of his attendance record at Trinity Church that is sharply at variance with previous versions he has given ("Obama Re-invents his Trinity Church History"). http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/0...his_tracks.html <H1 class=articleTitle style="MARGIN: 0px"> <H1 class=articleTitle style="MARGIN: 0px">Obama's Lost YearsSeptember 11, 2008; Page A14</H1>Barack Obama makes his first campaign visit today to his alma mater, Columbia University. Just don't ask the prolific self-diarist to talk about his undergraduate days in Morningside Heights. The Columbia years are a hole in the sprawling Obama hagiography. In his two published memoirs, the 47-year-old Democratic nominee barely mentions his experience there. He refuses to answer questions about Columbia and New York -- which, in this media age, serves only to raise more of them. Why not release his Columbia transcript? Why has his senior essay gone missing? Now in our view, the college years shouldn't normally be used to judge a politician's fitness for office. We're not sure the transcripts of Al Gore, John Kerry and George W. Bush -- which showed them to be C students -- illuminated much for voters. The McCain campaign won't release his records, but we know he graduated at the bottom of his Naval Academy class. But Mr. Obama is a case apart. His personal story, as told by him, made possible his rise from obscurity four years ago to possibly the White House. He doesn't have a long track record in government. We mainly have him in his own words. As any autobiographer, Mr. Obama played up certain chapters in his life -- perhaps even exaggerating his drug use in adolescence to drive home his theme of youthful alienation -- and ignored others. What's more, as acknowledged in "Dreams From My Father," Mr. Obama reconstructed conversations and gave some people pseudonyms or created "composite" characters. Voters and the media are now exercising due diligence before Election Day, and they are meeting resistance from Mr. Obama in checking his past. Earlier this year, the AP tracked down Mr. Obama's New York-era roommate, "Sadik," in Seattle after the campaign refused to reveal his name. Sohale Siddiqi, his real name, confirmed Mr. Obama's account that he turned serious in New York and "stopped getting high." "We were both very lost," Mr. Siddiqi said. "We were both alienated, although he might not put it that way. He arrived disheveled and without a place to stay." For some reason the Obama camp wanted this to stay out of public view. Such caginess is grist for speculation. Some think his transcript, if released, would reveal Mr. Obama as a mediocre student who benefited from racial preference. Yet he later graduated from Harvard Law School magna cum laude, so he knows how to get good grades. Others speculate about ties to the Black Students Organization, though students active then don't seem to remember him. And on the far reaches of the Web can be found conspiracies about former Carter national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who became the candidate's "guru and controller" while at Columbia in the early 1980s. Mr. Brzezinski laughs, and tells us he doesn't "remember meeting him." What can be said with some certainty is that Mr. Obama lived off campus while at Columbia in 1981-83 and made few friends. Fox News contacted some 400 of his classmates and found no one who remembered him. He had transferred from Occidental College in California after his sophomore year because, he told the Boston Globe in 1990, "I was concerned with urban issues and I wanted to be around more black folks in big cities." He got a degree in political science without honors. "For about two years there, I was just painfully alone and really not focused on anything, except maybe thinking a lot," he told his biographer David Mendell. Put that way, his time at Columbia sounds unremarkable. Maybe that's what most pains a young memoirist and an ambitious politician who strains to make his life anything but unremarkable. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221088813...ew_and_outlooks </H1> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molson_golden2002 Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 OMG! I was so hoping to learn something about Obama from his undregraduate grades! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Which Bush Doctrine would that be? The original neocon version of spreading democracy & free markets, the later global war on terror, the pre-emptive strikes on enemies of USA or whatever else pops into the definition? For me the Bush Doctrine is pre-emptive strikes. And i think this is the only thing that falls under that term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowLinesandArmadillos Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I guess you haven't been following these pages recently. Do you then believe the flip side that the global warming is 100% man made? Interesting question, I am sure we have some scientists here with opinions. My initial reaction is that even if there are natural factors adjusting and causing more change, I believe in my gut that is was started by man. The only caveat I have is that I don't know enough about the sun's cycle and the earth's relative position on its orbit to the sun. I understand that the southern ice cap is expanding and that the earth's access has shifted 3 degrees. Is that true? It would lend credence to positions that Man has created this problem, but is not the only influence. As far as Palin's interview, I thought she did okay, she was a little herky on the Bush Doctrine question, but initially, I would have had some problems associating the term with the doctrine itself although I recognized it as soon as it was pointed out. That is her handlers screw up. She came across as a little testy with an aggressive don't cross me attitude. Almost a little like Bill Clinton, it wasn't becoming, kind of like when you knew he was lying. That being said, not a bad interview, a little boring, but still don't want her as VP let alone President if McCain bites the big one. The whole I don't blink thing was probably honest, but it shows me that she doesn't feel she can reveal much about about her introspection if she had any at all. I guess in the same position, I would have wanted to run it by my spouse and family and think about it for a few seconds, but in today's politike, I am not sure you want admit it, especially as a woman. She could have relaxed a bit with that question, but her reaction shows me her lack of confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 No he hasn't. Where are the questions to Obama on Ayers, Rezko, and the other shady characters he associates with? Lets see his healt records. Lets see his papers from his Ill. State Legislature terms. What is he hiding? Let's see his grades from College and Harvard. What shady characters is he associating with, since you say it in present tense? He's been asked about Ayers and his past many times, and answered them, most recently on Bill O'Reilly this past week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 Doesn't the herky-jerky way she speaks remind you of Miss Teen South Carolina? I heard this exact phrase on the radio twice this morning from two different people. You really have to give the left credit for the speed in which they get out their talking points. Very, very impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted September 12, 2008 Share Posted September 12, 2008 I heard this exact phrase on the radio twice this morning from two different people. You really have to give the left credit for the speed in which they get out their talking points. Very, very impressive. I think she sounds more more like Rosanne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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