final democrat solution

[NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW]

If by same old you mean lower taxes and more rebates and secure borders, low interest rates, having our military do something other than stay state side which ,by the way , most dem house and senate voted for . Then i say yes more of the same. Obiden knew exactly what he was doing he covered his face, a very revealing "tell" , before he made that unprevoked comment . Wake up !!. P.S. nice name calling sissy.

 

"More of the Same" - I think the previous poster meant the GOP's reliance on meaningless drama meant for high school girls versus serious debate of the issues. The GOP have consistently relied on "moral" issues and distracting drivel to cover up for their gutting of the lower and middle class (i.e. "Guns, God, and Gays"). People will thrive under an economy under McBush? No way. The current corpocracy that is now running our country thrives with deregulation of ecomomic safeguards. McSame will barely lower taxes for the middle class, and give the wealthy even more (which are paid for by the lower and middle class). But Obama will lower the taxes for the middle class and give families a $1000 rebate immediately. Interest rates? They're coming down now after we the taxpayers bailed out Fannie and Freddie, kind of like reverse socialism. Incredible. Our Military? Everyone agrees that the Iraq war was a disaster, started for false reasons, and left the cause in Afghanistan to rot (I bet my 7 y/o could beat Bush in Stratego). The surge has NOT worked, as there is no political resolution, and will not be for some time (i.e. Bush just delayed troop draw downs anticipated for later this year). A senior commander came out yesterday to sound the alarm that we are losing Afghanistan. And what was winning supposed to be?

 

Big Man, I don't expect to change your mind about how you view the world. I assume you are Republican and/or Conservative, laudable to be sure. I do not think that the current GOP administration and presedential ticket reflects the true nature of conservatism, namely the support of traditional values and fiscal responsibility. There are an over aboundance of hawkish corporatists that are controlling your party, and their only goals are to the shareholders of the interests they represent.

 

"Peace Out"

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

The middle of the road is for people who are to afraid to commit one way or the other. That way when the Dems !@#$ everything up (see history) the "yellowliners" can say "boy, I wasn't on board with that". I, on the other hand, am proud to be a highly conservative Republican who agrees with alot that our current Prez and future Prez ideas. But then again I work for a living. McCain/Palin 08'

 

Glad you are committed, I figured you for a padded wall kinda guy. Do you top size 50 on the "I love me jacket"?

[Da Big Man]

"More of the Same" - I think the previous poster meant the GOP's reliance on meaningless drama meant for high school girls versus serious debate of the issues. The GOP have consistently relied on "moral" issues and distracting drivel to cover up for their gutting of the lower and middle class (i.e. "Guns, God, and Gays"). People will thrive under an economy under McBush? No way. The current corpocracy that is now running our country thrives with deregulation of ecomomic safeguards. McSame will barely lower taxes for the middle class, and give the wealthy even more (which are paid for by the lower and middle class). But Obama will lower the taxes for the middle class and give families a $1000 rebate immediately. Interest rates? They're coming down now after we the taxpayers bailed out Fannie and Freddie, kind of like reverse socialism. Incredible. Our Military? Everyone agrees that the Iraq war was a disaster, started for false reasons, and left the cause in Afghanistan to rot (I bet my 7 y/o could beat Bush in Stratego). The surge has NOT worked, as there is no political resolution, and will not be for some time (i.e. Bush just delayed troop draw downs anticipated for later this year). A senior commander came out yesterday to sound the alarm that we are losing Afghanistan. And what was winning supposed to be?

 

Big Man, I don't expect to change your mind about how you view the world. I assume you are Republican and/or Conservative, laudable to be sure. I do not think that the current GOP administration and presedential ticket reflects the true nature of conservatism, namely the support of traditional values and fiscal responsibility. There are an over aboundance of hawkish corporatists that are controlling your party, and their only goals are to the shareholders of the interests they represent.

 

"Peace Out"

All of this is just lib drivel . If you think for one second that Obiden will lower taxes for anyone, you are higher than yellowman. Thats what Dems do. They raise taxes to feed the monster that is the govt. Telling you what programs we need. Also lessening defense spending weakening this country more than they did during Wild Bill Clintons 8 year spring break.

[Da Big Man]

Glad you are committed, I figured you for a padded wall kinda guy. Do you top size 50 on the "I love me jacket"?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! Am I missing something? Is this some Lib joke. Or is it just more under handed comments from an angry little blue person?

[NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW]

All of this is just lib drivel . If you think for one second that Obiden will lower taxes for anyone, you are higher than yellowman. Thats what Dems do. They raise taxes to feed the monster that is the govt. Telling you what programs we need. Also lessening defense spending weakening this country more than they did during Wild Bill Clintons 8 year spring break.

 

Lib drivel? Ooohhh, "classy deflection of the facts, Big Man....I think your high on the McSame Kool-Aid. Yes, Obama will lower taxes for those that need it the most, the middle class, and give families a rebate NOW. What will McSame do? He'll plan to give the wealthiest more tax breaks. Help me understand how this will help the country now. If the Recession of 2008 isn't proof enought that "Trickle Down" economics doesn't work, I don't know what else will. The "monster" that is the government? Gee, look at it now. There is so much deregulation and lack of oversight the Department of the Interior has been rocked by a huge scandal that involved sex between government employees and the companies they are to oversee. It doesn't stop there. You have the mortgage crisis, started by poor oversight in the financial services sector. Then unregulated speculators playing with gas futures. Please. The "big bad government" scare was a campaign plank of the Reagan administration, designed to demonize the government for the advancement of his rich friends. But guess what? We're finding that we still need (and always needed) a strong enough government (and DUH, I don't mean a 'big brother govt) to make opportunities fair for all, not just the well connected. Right now, government's weak and ineffective, and the inmates are running the prison. There must be a balance here. If you really think the GOP are the lily-white saviors of our nation that they pretend to be, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.....

 

BTW, Clinton left us with a surplus and a great economy, and Bush just pi##ed it away, allowing more debt to be held by the Chinese, which is really a grave security risk for our country. There is no reason to believe the Dems will weaken this country. It's another worn plank of the GOP with NO credibility at all.

 

By your arguments, I think you're stuck in 19...19...1985.....

[Taro T]

Lib drivel? Ooohhh, "classy deflection of the facts, Big Man....I think your high on the McSame Kool-Aid. Yes, Obama will lower taxes for those that need it the most, the middle class, and give families a rebate NOW. What will McSame do? He'll plan to give the wealthiest more tax breaks. Help me understand how this will help the country now. If the Recession of 2008 isn't proof enought that "Trickle Down" economics doesn't work, I don't know what else will. The "monster" that is the government? Gee, look at it now. There is so much deregulation and lack of oversight the Department of the Interior has been rocked by a huge scandal that involved sex between government employees and the companies they are to oversee. It doesn't stop there. You have the mortgage crisis, started by poor oversight in the financial services sector. Then unregulated speculators playing with gas futures. Please. The "big bad government" scare was a campaign plank of the Reagan administration, designed to demonize the government for the advancement of his rich friends. But guess what? We're finding that we still need (and always needed) a strong enough government (and DUH, I don't mean a 'big brother govt) to make opportunities fair for all, not just the well connected. Right now, government's weak and ineffective, and the inmates are running the prison. There must be a balance here. If you really think the GOP are the lily-white saviors of our nation that they pretend to be, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.....

 

BTW, Clinton left us with a surplus and a great economy, and Bush just pi##ed it away, allowing more debt to be held by the Chinese, which is really a grave security risk for our country. There is no reason to believe the Dems will weaken this country. It's another worn plank of the GOP with NO credibility at all.

 

By your arguments, I think you're stuck in 19...19...1985.....

Only if you include the SS money coming into the treasury which had already been allocated to meeting future obligations. If you look at that as a normal person or business would, you would have to say that there still was a deficit. You should not count money that you already plan on spending as being available. (No, no, I can afford the $500k mortgage on my $30k job; I'll just set up an interest only, 5 year balloon payment plan, that should work. )

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! Am I missing something? Is this some Lib joke. Or is it just more under handed comments from an angry little blue person?

 

 

Given your posts... I am just responding with as much intellectual effort as you ... na daa

[Da Big Man]

Lib drivel? Ooohhh, "classy deflection of the facts, Big Man....I think your high on the McSame Kool-Aid. Yes, Obama will lower taxes for those that need it the most, the middle class, and give families a rebate NOW. What will McSame do? He'll plan to give the wealthiest more tax breaks. Help me understand how this will help the country now. If the Recession of 2008 isn't proof enought that "Trickle Down" economics doesn't work, I don't know what else will. The "monster" that is the government? Gee, look at it now. There is so much deregulation and lack of oversight the Department of the Interior has been rocked by a huge scandal that involved sex between government employees and the companies they are to oversee. It doesn't stop there. You have the mortgage crisis, started by poor oversight in the financial services sector. Then unregulated speculators playing with gas futures. Please. The "big bad government" scare was a campaign plank of the Reagan administration, designed to demonize the government for the advancement of his rich friends. But guess what? We're finding that we still need (and always needed) a strong enough government (and DUH, I don't mean a 'big brother govt) to make opportunities fair for all, not just the well connected. Right now, government's weak and ineffective, and the inmates are running the prison. There must be a balance here. If you really think the GOP are the lily-white saviors of our nation that they pretend to be, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.....

 

BTW, Clinton left us with a surplus and a great economy, and Bush just pi##ed it away, allowing more debt to be held by the Chinese, which is really a grave security risk for our country. There is no reason to believe the Dems will weaken this country. It's another worn plank of the GOP with NO credibility at all.

 

By your arguments, I think you're stuck in 19...19...1985.....

China! Who put China on the WTO's most favored nation list, Wild Bill. I dont know about you I don't need Big Govt, I knoiw alot of disable people who actually thought that GWB was going to lower their benefits. Much to their dissapointment ,being Dem/Libs, their benefits actually went up. Only one party uses scare tactics like, take away school lunch, social security , lessen medicare and medicaid and lower benefits at the V.A. and that my friend is the trademark of the Blue Jackass. Republicans do what they say unless the democratic run house and senate hold it up. You can't hold an Office on false promise i.e. Billary, do nothing in New York and act suprised she didn't get the knod for Prez.

Gee do you think sex is going on in your place of work? Answer: YES

[Da Big Man]

Given your posts... I am just responding with as much intellectual effort as you ... na daa

You' re just a sore loser

[BLZFAN4LIFE]

Lib drivel? Ooohhh, "classy deflection of the facts, Big Man....I think your high on the McSame Kool-Aid. Yes, Obama will lower taxes for those that need it the most, the middle class, and give families a rebate NOW. What will McSame do? He'll plan to give the wealthiest more tax breaks. Help me understand how this will help the country now. If the Recession of 2008 isn't proof enought that "Trickle Down" economics doesn't work, I don't know what else will. The "monster" that is the government? Gee, look at it now. There is so much deregulation and lack of oversight the Department of the Interior has been rocked by a huge scandal that involved sex between government employees and the companies they are to oversee. It doesn't stop there.

So some people who worked together smoked some weed and had sex. Sound familiar? Well let me refresh your memory about slick willy who smoked pot but didn't inhale and screwed his young intern. When that happened, you LIBS were all for it. It was perfectly acceptable. Just ask Bill Maher. Can you say double standard? Save your phony outrage for someone who's dumb enough to buy it.

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

China! Who put China on the WTO's most favored nation list, Wild Bill. I dont know about you I don't need Big Govt, I knoiw alot of disable people who actually thought that GWB was going to lower their benefits. Much to their dissapointment ,being Dem/Libs, their benefits actually went up. Only one party uses scare tactics like, take away school lunch, social security , lessen medicare and medicaid and lower benefits at the V.A. and that my friend is the trademark of the Blue Jackass. Republicans do what they say unless the democratic run house and senate hold it up. You can't hold an Office on false promise i.e. Billary, do nothing in New York and act suprised she didn't get the knod for Prez.

Gee do you think sex is going on in your place of work? Answer: YES

Wrong again. The issue was under consideration but got put off in the House because there were not enough votes. I know, I was there!

 

See http://opencrs.cdt.org/document/RL30225/20...6-07%2000:00:00

[YellowLinesandArmadillos]

So some people who worked together smoked some weed and had sex. Sound familiar? Well let me refresh your memory about slick willy who smoked pot but didn't inhale and screwed his young intern. When that happened, you LIBS were all for it. It was perfectly acceptable. Just ask Bill Maher. Can you say double standard? Save your phony outrage for someone who's dumb enough to buy it.

 

I didn't approve of Bill's zipper problem then and I don't approve of this. At least all Bill was doing was getting a hummer. These guys were using it as a commodity. Did they pay taxes on their profits? Did they get fair market value or did they just give it away, those dirty little @$!@#$s.

[NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW]

Only if you include the SS money coming into the treasury which had already been allocated to meeting future obligations. If you look at that as a normal person or business would, you would have to say that there still was a deficit. You should not count money that you already plan on spending as being available. (No, no, I can afford the $500k mortgage on my $30k job; I'll just set up an interest only, 5 year balloon payment plan, that should work. )

 

Here's a link that describes this further:

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/9/27/111952/862

 

Bush Sr. has been using this trust fund throughout his term, and possilby Reagan as well. I don't know what the hard figures are, but I would bet that even with this fund, the current budget is way out of whack with what it was 9 years ago.....So much for fiscal responsibility....

[NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW]

China! Who put China on the WTO's most favored nation list, Wild Bill. I dont know about you I don't need Big Govt, I knoiw alot of disable people who actually thought that GWB was going to lower their benefits. Much to their dissapointment ,being Dem/Libs, their benefits actually went up. Only one party uses scare tactics like, take away school lunch, social security , lessen medicare and medicaid and lower benefits at the V.A. and that my friend is the trademark of the Blue Jackass. Republicans do what they say unless the democratic run house and senate hold it up. You can't hold an Office on false promise i.e. Billary, do nothing in New York and act suprised she didn't get the knod for Prez.

Gee do you think sex is going on in your place of work? Answer: YES

 

-China! Who has the responsibility of regulating the S#*t that is coming out of China? GWB and the flunkies that he appointed to do it! The Consumer Product Safety Commission has been GUTTED! "Wow, I don't have Big Government so now my kids can chew lead while my dog dies and I get sick on rotten toothpaste"! While Billy signed off on Free Trade, didn't the GOP really like this too? YES they did, you are a winner sir!

-Big Government - Can we agree to have competent government? I agree that having "big brother" government is evil as I said earlier. Let's have just enough government, but we must balance our DEARLY HELD personal freedoms with having an entity that will promote fairness (NOT SOCIALISM) and be effective (see mortgage deregulation, lack of oversight). Whatever we got now ain't workin'.

-SSI payments go up annually, kind of like a cost of living. No matter who is in charge. Then, if you get foodstamps, they go down because your income goes up!

-"Only one party uses scare tactics like, take away school lunch, social security , lessen medicare and medicaid and lower benefits at the V.A." You're joking, right? The GOP has been doing this for years! Reagan wanted to tax poor people's handouts from food pantries for God's sake! The most recent VA bill, who stonewalled it? Yes, Big Man, you're right! It was the GOP that didn't want this bill! In the name of "reducing government", these programs have been cut or threatened to get cut.

-"Republicans do what they say unless the democratic run house and senate hold it up. You can't hold an Office on false promise i.e. Billary, do nothing in New York and act suprised she didn't get the knod for Prez." This comment is really vague as many politicians say one thing and do another, no matter what party they're in. Do you really think GOP is indoctrinated from GOD, and never make mistakes, or always have holy intentions? "They do what they say?" If so, you're a GOPdouche, and your chances of regaining clear insight are poor.

-Sex in my office? Of course there is! So what, what my coworkers wish to do on their own time is their own business, just keep the door locked during lunch! What the story was referring to is Government workers, appointed by GWB, have contemptuous relationships with people from private relationships they are meant to oversee. This is an ETHICAL problem, not just involving sex. Kinda like a sexy double agent getting information/favors from a hard-up private at the consulate.

 

Keep it real.

[NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW]

So some people who worked together smoked some weed and had sex. Sound familiar? Well let me refresh your memory about slick willy who smoked pot but didn't inhale and screwed his young intern. When that happened, you LIBS were all for it. It was perfectly acceptable. Just ask Bill Maher. Can you say double standard? Save your phony outrage for someone who's dumb enough to buy it.

 

 

Gee, dude, who pi#%ed in your cornflakes?

 

You're using the "double standard" defense, huh? OK, then per your logic, you SHOULD be LIVID at this scandal, because they are emulating what the president did!

 

BTW, my outrage is not phony. Ethical lapses such as this are disgusting no matter who does it. Again, these weren't coworkers, the GWB appointed government employees abused their power by "sleeping with the enemy", entities they were supposed to monitor fairly.

[finknottle]

McSame will barely lower taxes for the middle class, and give the wealthy even more (which are paid for by the lower and middle class). But Obama will lower the taxes for the middle class and give families a $1000 rebate immediately. Interest rates? They're coming down now after we the taxpayers bailed out Fannie and Freddie, kind of like reverse socialism. Incredible.

 

Your argument would carry a little weight if it were remotely correct. The top 1% contributes 1/3 of income tax revenue. The top 5% contributes just over half. The top 10% pays 2/3, and the top 20% pays 78%. 40% of households pay no income tax at all, and actually receive a net amount back due to tax credits.

 

The numbers are what they are - giving a tax cut to the top 5% doesn't reverse the flow of money to the poor and middle class, they will still be paying the bulk of the income taxes and paying out far more than they take in. It just lessens their contribution. The top 5% are still carrying the rest of the country.

[Da Big Man]

Wrong again. The issue was under consideration but got put off in the House because there were not enough votes. I know, I was there!

 

See http://opencrs.cdt.org/document/RL30225/20...6-07%2000:00:00

I was there also and this happened under Wild Bills watch in between BJ's . We didn't do business with China till Wild Bill said so. Selling this country down the drain is what he did. Lincoln bedroom stays starting at $100,000 per night. Remember that China grounded one of our recon planes shortly after GWB took office , do you know why? Billy said it would be OK. Under his administration the world viewed us as passive, see Bosnia, see Somalia, see 1998 when Yemen had Osama Bin Laden in custody and offered him to us and Billy was to busy !@#$in off to say Hell Yes. Uss cole, Bombing after bombing on US interest and Wild Bill did nothing. Weakened our country is all he did. As for the "surplus" of money, I hope there was money left with all the taxes I paid those 8 years of girls gone wild. P.S. I don't go to your links to read propoganda I witnessed history with my own two eyes.

[Da Big Man]

Gee, dude, who pi#%ed in your cornflakes?

 

You're using the "double standard" defense, huh? OK, then per your logic, you SHOULD be LIVID at this scandal, because they are emulating what the president did!

 

BTW, my outrage is not phony. Ethical lapses such as this are disgusting no matter who does it. Again, these weren't coworkers, the GWB appointed government employees abused their power by "sleeping with the enemy", entities they were supposed to monitor fairly.

No he is using the common sense defense, something you obviously lack. We live in the land of black and white, cut and dry, wrong and right, there is no grey area. In a month an a half the country will prove this true. God bless America!!!

[Da Big Man]

Big Government - Can we agree to have competent government? I agree that having "big brother" government is evil as I said earlier. Let's have just enough government, but we must balance our DEARLY HELD personal freedoms with having an entity that will promote fairness (NOT SOCIALISM) and be effective (see mortgage deregulation, lack of oversight). Whatever we got now ain't workin'.

Fine! But Obiden is not the answer. Don't feel bad about being an American, be proud. Lib/Dems want every demographic to feel guilty over their race, color, creed, affluence , sexual preference. The most disadvantaged demographic of all these days is the white, heterosexual, viable male. I guess they have had it to good for to long.

[NEEDFREDJACKSONNOW]

Your argument would carry a little weight if it were remotely correct. The top 1% contributes 1/3 of income tax revenue. The top 5% contributes just over half. The top 10% pays 2/3, and the top 20% pays 78%. 40% of households pay no income tax at all, and actually receive a net amount back due to tax credits.

 

The numbers are what they are - giving a tax cut to the top 5% doesn't reverse the flow of money to the poor and middle class, they will still be paying the bulk of the income taxes and paying out far more than they take in. It just lessens their contribution. The top 5% are still carrying the rest of the country.

 

Sorry, not an economist here, just trying to keep informed. But if you're referring to "supply side economics", I don't think it's working very well. I don't think it ever worked well. Please review link below:

 

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/200...a_test_of_.html

 

It would stand to reason that if more people had more money to spend, more tax revenue would be created. Then the figures you quoted above would change, despite the top income earners paying a higher percentage. What about the corporate welfare? If it was reduced, our total tax bill would be less. Don't most agree that the tax rebates the country received this summer were at least good for our economy?

 

Here's what Alan Greenspan thinks of McSame's tax plan:

 

http://thepoliticalcarnival.blogspot.com/2...ant-afford.html

 

He believes that spending must be reduced in order for McSame's plan to have any chance.