BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 First the positives: Leodis McLovin is one bad a55 return man. He just needs to learn to leave punts inside the 10 alone. James Hardy is an awesome addition. It appears that we will see much better play calling/formations out of the O this season. Now the negatives: Marv said it best. Run and stop the run. Has this team shown in preseason that it has improved in either area over last years team that finished in the bottom of the league in both areas? I think not. Stroud has not demonstrated that he is still a pro-bowler and McCargo has proved that he is a certifiable porch dog. The O-line desperately needs a healthy Jason Peters. They couldn't run block their way out of a wet paper sack. OBVIOUSLY it was just preseason, but judging from what I have seen, my optimism has taken a pretty hard hit. With Seattle and Jacksonville on tap, an 0-2 start on the way to 7-9 to 9-7 seems likely. What say you??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 glad its over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 What is your reaction to this preseason? What say you??? !@#$ Jason Peters. That's what say me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 !@#$ Jason Peters. That's what say me. oh com on now Russ....its just business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellDressed Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 ?? Well, I need new shoes again today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 McKelvin does seem to be a great return man. Edwards was all you could ask for against the Steelers. Lynch looks ready to step up his game as well. Evans is playing for a contract. This is good. Chambers looks as if he might be a good OT some day. A healthy Poz will help this team a ton. He didn't light up in preseason, but that's OK. He is a hitter, and he showed that. I gotta admit, Preston didn't look as bad as he usually does, but that is a reach. With Jason Peters, this team might be able to take it to a higher level. Without him, they will perhaps tread water. This is what we have been doing for a decade or so, treading water. Posters can pretend that things are OK, but they are not. Even with Peters, we are thin at OL, and our center is a highly paid question mark. Chambers makes me optimistic enough to think that he could step in and cover a while for Walker or Peters. Bell? Please. He isn't anywhere near ready, assuming he ever will be. Will Jauron be a good enough coach to overcome our problems? History tells us no. He was a head coach that nobody else wanted. He did OK with less talented Bills teams by playing not to lose. Is he Dick Vermeil? No, he seems closer to being second rate than elite. To answer your question, the Pittsburgh game was great. It gave us reason for hope. Overall, between the failure to work out a deal with Peters, and the failure to extend Evans, the main thing that the preseason indicated to me was that we have lots of return men, lots of defensive backs, a better OC, and very shaky mamanement. There is talent on this team. It always sucks to let good things go to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 It is pre - season . They should call it , look at the new kids . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I feel like in the recent past we've won the "run for the bus" games and lost the middle 2 games where people actually play....is that may imagination? Am I nuts for hoping that's a good sign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep2evans Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Yea I think that is a pretty horrible analysis for the most part. We beat up on Pitt and Indy, two of the better teams in the AFC when the starters were in. Why would your optimism take a hit when both Trent and JP led the team down the field for scores, while the starting defense allowed zero TD's in those 2 games? Stroud looked solid I thought, the starting O-Line was fantastic without Peters allowing for multiple 10+ play drives, and the two "positives", Hardy and McKelvin, showed less than Steve Johnson and Reggie Corner. I couldn't disagree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLZFAN4LIFE Posted August 30, 2008 Author Share Posted August 30, 2008 Yea I think that is a pretty horrible analysis for the most part. We beat up on Pitt and Indy, two of the better teams in the AFC when the starters were in. Why would your optimism take a hit when both Trent and JP led the team down the field for scores, while the starting defense allowed zero TD's in those 2 games? Stroud looked solid I thought, the starting O-Line was fantastic without Peters allowing for multiple 10+ play drives, and the two "positives", Hardy and McKelvin, showed less than Steve Johnson and Reggie Corner. I couldn't disagree more. My advice to you: 1.Learn to read. 2. Get a piece. 3. Ease up on the attitude. (#2 should help with that) I did say that I liked the way the new O looked. I wish our second year starter in a new O would have gotten more than 31 snaps though. Stroud did not look good. He generated absolutely no pass rush and was handled one on one all the time. I just hope that he was coasting through the PS in order to stay healthy. That is a possibility and the success of this team in the regular season depends greatly on how this one player performs. Are you kidding with Steve Johnson and Reggie Corner? Johnson will be lucky to make the team. And what are Johnson and Corner going to do to run and stop the run? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 !@#$ Jason Peters. That's what say me. I'll second that and add Mr. Parker to that list. Unfortunate that Edwards got hurt. More playing time he needs. Bills look to have much better depth this year at most positions. Starting lineup has more experience at most spots, so Jaron an Co. have more to work with. Bills need a good start to the season (3-2 or better in first 5) IMO if they want to sniff the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 OBVIOUSLY it was just preseason Those are the only 5 logical words from your post. I only judge one thing watching those 4 meaningless contests: If the Bills come through them with no serious injuries, I judge the preseason a complete success. I choose to wait until Marcus Stroud plays more then 2 series a game before I conclude that he doesn't have it any more. As long as the Bills don't put 17 guys on injured reserve again, there is no way they end up worse then 10-6 this year, even with their "horrible" play in the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 My hopes are: 1. The Turk is showing he can successfully call an offencive game plan. 2. The defence was running a vanilla game plan. 3. marsha brady is hurt more than the pats* are lettin on, favre is overwhelmed by N.Y. and a new offence, and the tuna is realizing he has more work than he barganed for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I'll second that and add Mr. Parker to that list. Unfortunate that Edwards got hurt. More playing time he needs. Bills look to have much better depth this year at most positions. Starting lineup has more experience at most spots, so Jaron an Co. have more to work with. Bills need a good start to the season (3-2 or better in first 5) IMO if they want to sniff the playoffs. Really? I remember Wade Phillips first year in 1998. His Bills started 0-3, and were 1-4 in first 5. They ended up 10-6 and wild card. Conversely, the preseason SB Champs of '08, the 4-0 Lions, started last season 6-2 and ended up 8-8 and out of the playoffs. So I don't get your "first 5 games" importance. I can't imagine too many Giants fans who predicted a SB victory for their struggling team after the first 5 games last year either. Talk about the "drive-by media" immediate gratification 24 hour ESPN mentality on this subject! The preseason and the first 5 regular season games will not make or break the Bills 2008 season - chill out and have some patience! The 16 games are a marathon, not a 40 yard dash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Really? I remember Wade Phillips first year in 1998. His Bills started 0-3, and were 1-4 in first 5. They ended up 10-6 and wild card. Conversely, the preseason SB Champs of '08, the 4-0 Lions, started last season 6-2 and ended up 8-8 and out of the playoffs. So I don't get your "first 5 games" importance. I can't imagine too many Giants fans who predicted a SB victory for their struggling team after the first 5 games last year either. Talk about the "drive-by media" immediate gratification 24 hour ESPN mentality on this subject! The preseason and the first 5 regular season games will not make or break the Bills 2008 season - chill out and have some patience! The 16 games are a marathon, not a 40 yard dash. Arbitrarily cherrypick examples much? The first 31% of the regular season matters. A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphean Bills Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Trent Edwards is a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Really? I remember Wade Phillips first year in 1998. His Bills started 0-3, and were 1-4 in first 5. They ended up 10-6 and wild card. Conversely, the preseason SB Champs of '08, the 4-0 Lions, started last season 6-2 and ended up 8-8 and out of the playoffs. So I don't get your "first 5 games" importance. I can't imagine too many Giants fans who predicted a SB victory for their struggling team after the first 5 games last year either. Talk about the "drive-by media" immediate gratification 24 hour ESPN mentality on this subject! The preseason and the first 5 regular season games will not make or break the Bills 2008 season - chill out and have some patience! The 16 games are a marathon, not a 40 yard dash. It is a psych thing. If you are 6-2, you are not under pressure to win every game at the end. Last year we were 7-6 and had to win the remaining 3 to get it....That was too much pressure for a young team to handle. The Redskins who were worse than us, but were a more seasoned team with Portis/Collins won the last 5 to make the playoffs. It works both ways depending on the type of roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladiebla Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 I think we looked good throughout pre-season, new Offensive playbook is certainly a hell of a lot more entertaining, we have lot's of quality depth on about all postions with the exception of the OL which looked horrible throughout the preseason and will give us lots of trouble during the season and maybe DL depth - at least the starters look pretty awesome there. Specialteams rocks as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJ91 Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Arbitrarily cherrypick examples much? The first 31% of the regular season matters. A lot. Sorry, arbitrarily cherrypicking for proof or not, the first 31% of the season does not matter enough to claim that if the Bills are not at least 3-2, they won't sniff the playoffs. What if Peters needs 6 games to get into shape and the defense needs that many to jell, and they are 2-3 or even 1-4? That less then awesome team from 2004 went on a 6 game winning streak and almost made the playoffs, remember? (Oops, there I go cherrypicking for another example, darn it!). Forget examples. My point is that I won't be giving up on the Bills if they start slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Big Man Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 The Bills have proven that yet again they are a .500 football team at best. My largest concern is that TE didn't get enough reps with the starters and that could make weeks 1 and 2 very tough, even thought we are going to lose to both teams anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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