Further proof McCain is out of touch

[finknottle]

I understood the point he was trying to make-Americans won't do unglamorous jobs like picking lettuce for 50 dollars an hour. It's idiotic. According to you and McCain Americans won't pick lettuce in the American southwest for 50 dollars an hour yet for 50 dollars an hour they will travel into a warzone to work knowing that there is a possibility that they will have their heads cut off on video by some crazy Arabs, or be ambushed on a highway and burned to death! But I guess there's something about picking lettuce in Yuma that is so extraordinary that no American worker would pick lettuce there for 50$ an hour, right? You really think that people wouldn't pick lettuce in Yuma if they were paid more or as much as Advertising and Promotions Managers, Public Relations Managers, Postsecondary Education Administrators, Personal Financial Advisors, Computer Software Engineers, Actuaries, Mathematicians, Aerospace Engineers, Chemical Engineers, Nuclear Engineers, and about a million other white collar professions?

 

You are willfully confusing his point with his challange. His point is only that there are jobs that americans won't do because they are too demanding.

 

Have you ever done non-union manual labor? Without coffee breaks and air-conditioned offices? Picking lettuce *all day* is a lot harder than tooling around in Iraq. Less dangerous, sure. But 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, all year long in the fields will grind you up, and that's the scenario he's talking about. He was not saying that $50\hr was the going rate, he was making a challenge about people's staying power.

 

Years go I worked for a non-union shipping company loading and unloading packages. The money was good ($18\hr in '86), and the shifts were only 5 hours a day, but it was so exhausting that we would *never* have anyone last more than two days - they would jump ship for minimum wage jobs in fast food.

 

As for the jobs you cite, don't forget that you sit around in them, post on twobillsdrive, have breaks, dress decently, chit-chat with other employees, get training, have a career path, retirement plans and benefits ... I'd say picking lettuce would have to pay *at least* 50% more than a whitecollar job before any qualified people started to jump-ship.

 

And as to going to Iraq, a great many people do not see it the way you do. Some see it as an opportunity to do good, some see it as a chance for some adventure in life. When you are 50, do you want tjhe highlight of your youth to have been the years spent in war-torn Iraq or the years picking lettuce? I bet there is not a single person there right now that would trade it for picking lettuce at the same salary.

[blzrul]

You are willfully confusing his point with his challange. His point is only that there are jobs that When you are 50, do you want tjhe highlight of your youth to have been the years spent in war-torn Iraq or the years picking lettuce? I bet there is not a single person there right now that would trade it for picking lettuce at the same salary.

I would imagine the real question has to be do you want to LIVE to be 50.

 

Next questions: what kind of physical condition would you like to be? Armless or legless with PSTD? Or crippled over with arthritis and whatnot from picking lettuce for $50 an hour and blowing all your money on beer, cigarettes and Lotto?

[Chef Jim]

I understood the point he was trying to make-Americans won't do unglamorous jobs like picking lettuce for 50 dollars an hour. It's idiotic. According to you and McCain Americans won't pick lettuce in the American southwest for 50 dollars an hour yet for 50 dollars an hour they will travel into a warzone to work knowing that there is a possibility that they will have their heads cut off on video by some crazy Arabs, or be ambushed on a highway and burned to death! But I guess there's something about picking lettuce in Yuma that is so extraordinary that no American worker would pick lettuce there for 50$ an hour, right? You really think that people wouldn't pick lettuce in Yuma if they were paid more or as much as Advertising and Promotions Managers, Public Relations Managers, Postsecondary Education Administrators, Personal Financial Advisors, Computer Software Engineers, Actuaries, Mathematicians, Aerospace Engineers, Chemical Engineers, Nuclear Engineers, and about a million other white collar professions?

 

Financial advisors make $50 an hour in Yuma? Remind me to stay out of Yuma.

 

Seriously I think you're focusing too much on the $50 per hour. That's not his point. But I bet there are many Americans who would rather sit on their ass and collect welfare that work hard for $50 per hour.

[JK2000]

Financial advisors make $50 an hour in Yuma? Remind me to stay out of Yuma.

 

Seriously I think you're focusing too much on the $50 per hour. That's not his point. But I bet there are many Americans who would rather sit on their ass and collect welfare that work hard for $50 per hour.

 

How do you know? Are you a mind reader? I'll take him at his word that he believes that Americans won't pick lettuce for 50 dollars an hour.

[finknottle]

Don't you see all the Americans out there cutting lawns, landscaping, working construction, roofing, and laying blacktop? Do you think they're making anywhere near 50 dollars an hour? If he said 5 dollars an hour I'd agree with him. I guess in McCain's world 50 dollars an hour is poor.

 

In your world the guys doing the landscaping and laying blacktop are Americans???

 

Maybe in Buffalo, but in the mid-Atlantic I have not seen a non-immigrant in any of those jobs (except as job foremen) for over a decade.

[DC Tom]

How do you know? Are you a mind reader? I'll take him at his word that he believes that Americans won't pick lettuce for 50 dollars an hour.

 

Same way you know, dumbass.

 

Plus, if you could read, you'd see his point was that it's very difficult to get people to commit long-term to doing hard physical labor even if it's lucrative. You think turnover wouldn't be high? That was his point...that's why he specfically said "But you have to commit to a whole season". You, being the zit-brained little potato head that you are, focus on nothing more than the "$50" part of the quote, and from there jump immediately to "He's out of touch with America."

 

He may very well be out of touch with America. But you can't even discuss it properly - you can't even understand what he's saying. Hell, all you have to do is watch TV to understand his point. You're not even in touch with the Discover Channel.

[SilverNRed]

In your world the guys doing the landscaping and laying blacktop are Americans???

 

Maybe in Buffalo, but in the mid-Atlantic I have not seen a non-immigrant in any of those jobs (except as job foremen) for over a decade.

I was thinking about this yesterday -- WNY has to have some of the fewest immigrant workers of any region of the country. There just isn't that much work for them to do. In a weird way, Buffalo doesn't have an illegal immigrant problem because it isn't healthy enough economically to attract them.

[JK2000]

Same way you know, dumbass.

 

Plus, if you could read, you'd see his point was that it's very difficult to get people to commit long-term to doing hard physical labor even if it's lucrative. You think turnover wouldn't be high? That was his point...that's why he specfically said "But you have to commit to a whole season". You, being the zit-brained little potato head that you are, focus on nothing more than the "$50" part of the quote, and from there jump immediately to "He's out of touch with America."

 

He may very well be out of touch with America. But you can't even discuss it properly - you can't even understand what he's saying. Hell, all you have to do is watch TV to understand his point. You're not even in touch with the Discover Channel.

 

So all McCain was doing was analyzing the employee retention rates of southwestern lettuce pickers? You must be the stupidest person on the planet if you think that's what he was referring to. Read the quote again jerk-off. By the way even the supposition that Americans wouldn't work the entire season while making 50 dollars an hour is absolutely retarded.

 

I was thinking about this yesterday -- WNY has to have some of the fewest immigrant workers of any region of the country. There just isn't that much work for them to do. In a weird way, Buffalo doesn't have an illegal immigrant problem because it isn't healthy enough economically to attract them.

 

You're right, I barely ever see any of the manual labor jobs being done by anything other than whites or blacks around here.

[finknottle]

How do you know? Are you a mind reader? I'll take him at his word that he believes that Americans won't pick lettuce for 50 dollars an hour.

 

No, not a mind reader; he's a text reader.

 

He applied a crazy thing called reading comprehension to divine the meaning of the following passage:

 

John McCain: "You know I've heard that statement before. Now, my friends, I'll offer anybody here fifty dollars an hour if you'll go pick lettuce in Yuma this season and pick for the whole season. So, ok, sign up! Ok, when you sign up, you sign up, and you'll be there for the whole season, the whole season, ok, not just one day. Because you can't do it, my friend."

[SilverNRed]

No, not a mind reader; he's a text reader.

 

He applied a crazy thing called reading comprehension to divine the meaning of the following passage:

Based on that text, it sounds like he's saying that of course people would "sign up" but that he doubts they'd be able to stick with it because the actual work is just too arduous.

[Chef Jim]

Based on that text, it sounds like he's saying that of course people would "sign up" but that he doubts they'd be able to stick with it because the actual work is just too arduous.

 

It sounds like it? No, that's what he's saying. He just called the average American a lazy !@#$....and I agree with him.

[DC Tom]

So all McCain was doing was analyzing the employee retention rates of southwestern lettuce pickers? You must be the stupidest person on the planet if you think that's what he was referring to. Read the quote again jerk-off. By the way even the supposition that Americans wouldn't work the entire season while making 50 dollars an hour is absolutely retarded.

 

 

Are you !@#$ing kidding me? What planet are you on? What the hell do you think his point was?

[finknottle]

So all McCain was doing was analyzing the employee retention rates of southwestern lettuce pickers? You must be the stupidest person on the planet if you think that's what he was referring to. Read the quote again jerk-off.

 

What on earth do you think this refers to, if not retention?

 

Ok, when you sign up, you sign up, and you'll be there for the whole season, the whole season, ok, not just one day. Because you can't do it, my friend."

[Chef Jim]

Ok, when you sign up, you sign up, and you'll be there for the whole season, the whole season, ok, not just one day. Because you can't do it, my friend, because you're a lazy !@#$."

 

You somehow missed the last part of the quote from McCain.

[ExiledInIllinois]

I am a laborer at work and don't make that much... And I glady work... So do others. Come paint the lock chamber with me during the summer, let alone the miles of hand railing...

 

Look... They hand wax both Air Force One's all 17,000 (x2) square feet... There isn't a shortage of people that want to do that.

 

The reason?

 

They pay people like us properly, treat us properly... And guess what? I labor my butt off when needed.

 

You name... I will do it... Mow the lawns, weed eat miles of fence line, paint the structures, plunge the toilet, mop the office... Everything is done in house... Guess what? People stay, it is hard to get a job like this... Oh, I lock vessels too...

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

I would imagine the real question has to be do you want to LIVE to be 50.

 

Next questions: what kind of physical condition would you like to be? Armless or legless with PSTD? Or crippled over with arthritis and whatnot from picking lettuce for $50 an hour and blowing all your money on beer, cigarettes and Lotto?

 

 

And besides it is illegal... No breaks and what not. Just do your job and abide by the labor laws and picking lettuce for 50 bucks and hour would be a cake walk.

[ExiledInIllinois]

Based on that text, it sounds like he's saying that of course people would "sign up" but that he doubts they'd be able to stick with it because the actual work is just too arduous.

 

See... I think McCain is mixing apples and oranges... He is saying 50 bucks an hour and be treated like a slave... That just isn't going to happen, it can't... It is against the law.

 

So in all practicality, McCain is off his rocker... What the heck is he insinuating? That just because you are making 50 bucks, one has to throw all labor practices and laws out the window... That just isn't a real situation.

 

See what I am saying? YOu can't have one without the other

 

Give me 50 bucks and hour and I would glady jump at the chance to do it for the rest of my life!

 

It does behoove people to know their labor rights.

[Boatdrinks]

It sounds like it? No, that's what he's saying. He just called the average American a lazy !@#$....and I agree with him.

 

Right. And you are just soooo above the average American. Keep telling yourself that, you pompous AS@$!!!!

[Chef Jim]

Right. And you are just soooo above the average American. Keep telling yourself that, you pompous AS@$!!!!

 

Oh hell yeah, but that's not saying much. Get out much?

[OCinBuffalo]

Without every bothering to read this thread(as if we haven't seen 1000s of these) - I just clicked on the link. I'm going astound and amaze by making Carnac-like predictions. Here we go:

 

1. This thread started by the OP by taking a hypothetical situation or example that was posited and treating it like it was a literal statement, or, the OP subtracted all factual information and context in favor of only bits and pieces of fact that support the OP's clearly extrapolated, or exaggerated statements.

2. This thread has largely been about trying to explain to the OP why the hypothetical is not literal and should not be taken literally. No one has succeeded because the OP doesn't understand, or is being dishonest about, any of the concepts I have described already.

3. This thread is one of the 1000s before it where 1 & 2 have been repeated because the OP lacks the ability to think in the abstract, or is again being dishonest.

4. Moving on to specifics, hardly anyone in this thread has bothered to remember that:

a. Our new entitlement/"everyone has equal talent because we don't want to hurt self-esteem" culture now craps on anybody who does manual labor, doesn't go to college, or works with their hands, thus damaging their self esteem.

b. Every Molson_Retard argument in this thread takes our new culture completely out of it's assclown equation

c. Every Molson_Retard argument in this thread subtracts any fact or context that doesn't = McCain is out of touch

 

and the killer, d. with all the stress on EDUCATION FOR ALL!, we forget that if we educate everybody as much as we possibly can, then technically, EVERYONE is now over-qualified to pick lettuce and won't do it, but reality says we still need somebody to do that job.

 

5. Somehow the retards here are going to find a way to say that we should educate everyone, but not educate everyone, at the same time. Or, that lettuce pickers require masters degrees and that they should be paid $50 an hour because they have masters degrees, regardless of the fact that the market says picking lettuce is a $5? an hour job.

 

How'd I do?