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For those adopting the attitude of "screw Peters", I remind you just how good this guy is:

 

From BB.com:

 

Buffalo's new linchpin lineman has gone from what many league talent evaluators viewed as an NFL project to a Pro Bowl caliber blind-side protector, with potential to spare.

 

"He's very, very talented," said Bills offensive line coach Jim McNally. "His potential is unlimited. He's close to 350 pounds and he can run as fast as you want him to run. He's strong, good agility, balance, direction. He has all the tools."

 

The problem last season was the rest of the league had not yet been fully exposed to what Peters put on the field on a weekly basis. Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan didn't know who Jason Peters was last year until after Pro Bowl voting had taken place in mid-December. While watching tape of Buffalo's offensive line in preparation for their 2006 season finale with the Bills, Ryan's eyes were drawn to number 71.

 

"I never knew him from anybody," said Ryan of Peters. "But I was watching the tape and I was like, 'Whoa who is this kid?' He really stood out."

 

Peters stood out so much in fact that during pre-game warmups prior to last year's final regular season game, Ryan spoke to Bills offensive line coach Jim McNally to pay McNally's star pupil a compliment.

 

"Rex Ryan said, 'Wow. We didn't really see you play, but after we saw your tape we would have voted for your left tackle for the Pro Bowl,'" recalled McNally.

 

Chances are Ryan voted for Peters this season helping the left tackle earn selection to his first career Pro Bowl as the Bills left tackle was the lone all-star representative for the club this season.

 

Peters has taken one of the more unusual paths to NFL stardom, and ironically it was due to his freakish physical abilities. After committing to Arkansas out of high school, the Razorback coaching staff was in such awe of his athleticism for a player his size, they could not decide where to put him.

 

He played defensive end, defensive tackle, offensive tackle and finally tight end in his three collegiate seasons. All the position switching prevented Peters from maximizing his physical skills as he was forced to spend most of his time getting adjusted to the nuances of a new position each season.

 

As a 6'4" 320-pound tight end he ran a 4.9 40-time at the NFL Combine but few people took notice. Peters was passed over by the entire league until Buffalo called shortly after the draft concluded to sign him as an undrafted rookie free agent.

 

He began his career as a tight end with the Bills, but as a member of the team's practice squad after he did not make the team's 53-man roster coming out of training camp.

 

Peters was called up in mid-November and played on special teams and at tight end before transitioning to offensive tackle early in the 2005 campaign. But the transition took place on the practice field. With no NFL game experience on the line, Peters was thrust into the starting lineup at right tackle on national television at New England.

 

The results were impressive. Peters held Patriots pass rusher Willie McGinest to a pedestrian five tackles with no sacks, no quarterback pressures and no quarterback hits.

 

Now in his second season at left tackle, Peters not only handles the opponent's best pass rusher on a weekly basis, he does it with no help.

 

"We left Jason over there by himself," said McNally plainly.

 

If backs or tight ends were used to chip on pass rushers it was typically done on the right side of the formation to assist Langston Walker.

 

Seeing his one-on-one ability on film against the likes of perennial Pro Bowl ends like Jason Taylor and Richard Seymour twice a year, opposing coaches likely had a lot to say about Peters' first Pro Bowl selection.

 

"He's a great player," Ryan told Buffalobills.com. "Hell the tape doesn't lie. This kid has tons of ability. I'm not ready to put him in the Hall of Fame yet, but I am ready to put him in the Pro Bowl."

 

"He just has to continue to play," said McNally. "The only person that can stop Jason Peters is himself. His ability is limitless."

 

From an article naming the top 50 "Franchise Cornerstone" players:

 

14. Jason Peters [OT, Buffalo Bills, 26]

Stats: 2007 Pro Bowl Selection, 2007 All-Pro Selection

Peters has gone from an undrafted free agent tight end to a Pro Bowl left tackle with the Buffalo Bills in just a matter of years. Unlike many converted tight ends, Peters has significant weight and strength to a frame that already displays innate athleticism and ability to slide to cut off pass rushers on the edge. Having dominated the trenches in Buffalo, as their lone shining star on the line, Peters has made a name for himself quickly. He’s become a high character, hard-working locker room presence and a role model to the younger players. After joining the elites in the league, Peters is now holding out for a richer contract, an understandable move, though it’s difficult to imagine a mini-camp without the premiere tackle manning the left side. From an undrafted free agent to cornerstone in Buffalo, Peters would be a great building block looking to bring stability to the offensive line.

 

Peter King's 2007 Pro Bowl ballot:

 

T: Jason Peters, Buffalo; Willie Anderson, Cincinnati. Sorry, Walter Jones. It came down to you and Willie. Peters split his time between right and left this season, and the Bills found a franchise tackle.

 

Len Pasquarelli on Peters before the draft at OT and at TE:

 

Intriguing: Before he lined up for a drill at the combine, tight end Jason Peters (Arkansas) remarked that he might be the second-best left tackle prospect in the draft. And he's right because, in time, he could be. It might be a gamble to move Peters to tackle, a position he hasn't played, but he clearly has the skills to eventually be a solid player there. And with the lack of left tackle prospects in this draft, some clubs might be tempted to regard him as a down-the-road tackle. At 6-feet-4½ and 336 pounds, Peters ran a 4.94 at the combine. He would need a lot of work, and individual attention to make the switch to tackle, but it merits consideration.

 

Jason Peters (Arkansas)

Vital statistics: 6-feet-4½, 336 pounds, 4.94 in the 40, and 29 "reps" on the bench press.

Numbers game: Started in 36 games and career numbers include 28 receptions for 300 yards and four touchdowns.

Upside: Incredible movement skills for a man so large and, as noted in the offensive line preview, some teams might consider moving him to left tackle. Tall and massively built, thick all over, pretty good knee-bender. Nifty feet and, when he gets rolling, he is tough to stop. Solid pass protector, can slide laterally, will give some team a player who can "chip" at pass rushers. Adequate receiver with good flexibility and body control.

Downside: Since he played in such a run-oriented offense, didn't get much chance to hone his route-running skills, and hands are still inconsistent. Even with his stunning athleticism, will have to shed some weight if he is going to play tight end at the next level. For all his size and speed, isn't all that explosive coming off the ball, and is actually a half-step tardy on a lot of plays. Will overextend himself on some blocks.

The Dish: An intriguing guy but someone will have to decide early on whether he is a tight end or a tackle. Probable first-day pick, likely in the third round.

 

For one of the best comprehensive articles on Peters, including all the salary info on other LT's you can handle, read Outside Foxborough: Jason Peters - One of the Ten Most Valuable Properties in Football:

 

Some excerpts:

 

It was last week, though, that Peters was really called into the limelight, when reigning Defensive Player of the Year Jason Taylor paid Peters quite the compliment. The Buffalo News wrote:

 

“He’s probably the best left tackle I face this year,” Taylor said during a conference call with the Buffalo media this week. ” . . . He’s a big, athletic guy who is strong and moves very well. He’s got the size. He does a lot of things well. You don’t see him get beat a whole lot. He’s equally as strong in the run game as he is in the pass game. I think he’s a helluva player.”

 

When one considers the difficulty teams have in locating, acquiring, and keeping a left tackle cheap, Peters’ claim to being an elite left tackle makes him one of the most valuable — and unlikely — assets in pro football.

 

and:

 

"At this point, Jason Peters represents not only a player with a unique path to his job and a interesting skill set, but he’s one of the ten most valuable players in football, when you consider bang for buck. "

 

 

The guy is very, very good, period.

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He is the best LT in football. Can't let him go.

 

 

Is anyone here really thinking of letting him go?

 

If they are, they are on crack.

 

That, however, does not mean that we have to be turning handsprings on his behalf, or whining that the Bills have not simply offered him a new contract without negotiations.

 

Holdouts are a fact of life; this one will end, as all of them end. The drama is unnecessary.

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Hmm...All thoughs accolades and he still went undrafted.

 

He still has to prove it to me for one more year before I hand him the keys to the vault.

 

I'm wondering if Jason Peters is really as all-world as everyone makes him out to be here. Sure he's a top LT and protects better than anyone in the league, but he really wasn't the 'road-grader' on the left side for our running game that we expected. Is his 'greatness' being exaggerated here because of his holdout (and that we're all Bills fans so we over-value our players).

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Jesus Christ, man. Posting that article in one thread wasn't enough for you? Give it a rest. Nobody wants to lose Peters; some simply believe the tactics utilized by his agent are questionable, and there's nothing wrong with Buffalo wanting to see another year of high quality play before opening the bank vault for the guy.

 

It's really quite simple, yet some bring so much drama to the table.

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I'm wondering if Jason Peters is really as all-world as everyone makes him out to be here. Sure he's a top LT and protects better than anyone in the league, but he really wasn't the 'road-grader' on the left side for our running game that we expected. Is his 'greatness' being exaggerated here because of his holdout (and that we're all Bills fans so we over-value our players).

All those articles are from before his hold out and I posted them here in one place due to all the posts I have read lately claiming the he really isn't all that good. "Fat, lazy, selfish peckerhead" are just some of the foolish claims being repeated ad nauseum.

 

I think he is just as good run blocking as he is pass blocking. You just don't see it given the incredible predictability of our offense last year. Lynch had some pretty solid numbers despite that inept offense, someone was blocking and it wasn't Melving Fowler. In fact, I am somewhat amazed we ran as well as we did last year given the pitiable game planning and play selection coming out of Fairchild.

 

I have no problem with the team pinching pennies or making points on contracts....with lesser players. I just think it is a very bad idea to risk screwing up the good fortune of having finally found a franchise LT. We had lots of player come and go during the SB runs but the top guys always got enough money to stay put. Get tough with Kelsay if you want, or Ryan Denney or Roscoe or Kyle Williams. Not Peters. Not Evans. Not Lynch and not Edwards.

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For those adopting the attitude of "screw Peters", I remind you just how good this guy is:

 

From BB.com:

 

Buffalo's new linchpin lineman has gone from what many league talent evaluators viewed as an NFL project to a Pro Bowl caliber blind-side protector, with potential to spare.

 

"He's very, very talented," said Bills offensive line coach Jim McNally. "His potential is unlimited. He's close to 350 pounds and he can run as fast as you want him to run. He's strong, good agility, balance, direction. He has all the tools."

 

The problem last season was the rest of the league had not yet been fully exposed to what Peters put on the field on a weekly basis. Baltimore defensive coordinator Rex Ryan didn't know who Jason Peters was last year until after Pro Bowl voting had taken place in mid-December. While watching tape of Buffalo's offensive line in preparation for their 2006 season finale with the Bills, Ryan's eyes were drawn to number 71.

 

"I never knew him from anybody," said Ryan of Peters. "But I was watching the tape and I was like, 'Whoa who is this kid?' He really stood out."

 

Peters stood out so much in fact that during pre-game warmups prior to last year's final regular season game, Ryan spoke to Bills offensive line coach Jim McNally to pay McNally's star pupil a compliment.

 

"Rex Ryan said, 'Wow. We didn't really see you play, but after we saw your tape we would have voted for your left tackle for the Pro Bowl,'" recalled McNally.

 

Chances are Ryan voted for Peters this season helping the left tackle earn selection to his first career Pro Bowl as the Bills left tackle was the lone all-star representative for the club this season.

 

Peters has taken one of the more unusual paths to NFL stardom, and ironically it was due to his freakish physical abilities. After committing to Arkansas out of high school, the Razorback coaching staff was in such awe of his athleticism for a player his size, they could not decide where to put him.

 

He played defensive end, defensive tackle, offensive tackle and finally tight end in his three collegiate seasons. All the position switching prevented Peters from maximizing his physical skills as he was forced to spend most of his time getting adjusted to the nuances of a new position each season.

 

As a 6'4" 320-pound tight end he ran a 4.9 40-time at the NFL Combine but few people took notice. Peters was passed over by the entire league until Buffalo called shortly after the draft concluded to sign him as an undrafted rookie free agent.

 

He began his career as a tight end with the Bills, but as a member of the team's practice squad after he did not make the team's 53-man roster coming out of training camp.

 

Peters was called up in mid-November and played on special teams and at tight end before transitioning to offensive tackle early in the 2005 campaign. But the transition took place on the practice field. With no NFL game experience on the line, Peters was thrust into the starting lineup at right tackle on national television at New England.

 

The results were impressive. Peters held Patriots pass rusher Willie McGinest to a pedestrian five tackles with no sacks, no quarterback pressures and no quarterback hits.

 

Now in his second season at left tackle, Peters not only handles the opponent's best pass rusher on a weekly basis, he does it with no help.

 

"We left Jason over there by himself," said McNally plainly.

 

If backs or tight ends were used to chip on pass rushers it was typically done on the right side of the formation to assist Langston Walker.

 

Seeing his one-on-one ability on film against the likes of perennial Pro Bowl ends like Jason Taylor and Richard Seymour twice a year, opposing coaches likely had a lot to say about Peters' first Pro Bowl selection.

 

"He's a great player," Ryan told Buffalobills.com. "Hell the tape doesn't lie. This kid has tons of ability. I'm not ready to put him in the Hall of Fame yet, but I am ready to put him in the Pro Bowl."

 

"He just has to continue to play," said McNally. "The only person that can stop Jason Peters is himself. His ability is limitless."

 

From an article naming the top 50 "Franchise Cornerstone" players:

 

14. Jason Peters [OT, Buffalo Bills, 26]

Stats: 2007 Pro Bowl Selection, 2007 All-Pro Selection

Peters has gone from an undrafted free agent tight end to a Pro Bowl left tackle with the Buffalo Bills in just a matter of years. Unlike many converted tight ends, Peters has significant weight and strength to a frame that already displays innate athleticism and ability to slide to cut off pass rushers on the edge. Having dominated the trenches in Buffalo, as their lone shining star on the line, Peters has made a name for himself quickly. He’s become a high character, hard-working locker room presence and a role model to the younger players. After joining the elites in the league, Peters is now holding out for a richer contract, an understandable move, though it’s difficult to imagine a mini-camp without the premiere tackle manning the left side. From an undrafted free agent to cornerstone in Buffalo, Peters would be a great building block looking to bring stability to the offensive line.

 

Peter King's 2007 Pro Bowl ballot:

 

T: Jason Peters, Buffalo; Willie Anderson, Cincinnati. Sorry, Walter Jones. It came down to you and Willie. Peters split his time between right and left this season, and the Bills found a franchise tackle.

 

Len Pasquarelli on Peters before the draft at OT and at TE:

 

Intriguing: Before he lined up for a drill at the combine, tight end Jason Peters (Arkansas) remarked that he might be the second-best left tackle prospect in the draft. And he's right because, in time, he could be. It might be a gamble to move Peters to tackle, a position he hasn't played, but he clearly has the skills to eventually be a solid player there. And with the lack of left tackle prospects in this draft, some clubs might be tempted to regard him as a down-the-road tackle. At 6-feet-4½ and 336 pounds, Peters ran a 4.94 at the combine. He would need a lot of work, and individual attention to make the switch to tackle, but it merits consideration.

 

Jason Peters (Arkansas)

Vital statistics: 6-feet-4½, 336 pounds, 4.94 in the 40, and 29 "reps" on the bench press.

Numbers game: Started in 36 games and career numbers include 28 receptions for 300 yards and four touchdowns.

Upside: Incredible movement skills for a man so large and, as noted in the offensive line preview, some teams might consider moving him to left tackle. Tall and massively built, thick all over, pretty good knee-bender. Nifty feet and, when he gets rolling, he is tough to stop. Solid pass protector, can slide laterally, will give some team a player who can "chip" at pass rushers. Adequate receiver with good flexibility and body control.

Downside: Since he played in such a run-oriented offense, didn't get much chance to hone his route-running skills, and hands are still inconsistent. Even with his stunning athleticism, will have to shed some weight if he is going to play tight end at the next level. For all his size and speed, isn't all that explosive coming off the ball, and is actually a half-step tardy on a lot of plays. Will overextend himself on some blocks.

The Dish: An intriguing guy but someone will have to decide early on whether he is a tight end or a tackle. Probable first-day pick, likely in the third round.

 

For one of the best comprehensive articles on Peters, including all the salary info on other LT's you can handle, read Outside Foxborough: Jason Peters - One of the Ten Most Valuable Properties in Football:

 

Some excerpts:

 

It was last week, though, that Peters was really called into the limelight, when reigning Defensive Player of the Year Jason Taylor paid Peters quite the compliment. The Buffalo News wrote:

 

“He’s probably the best left tackle I face this year,” Taylor said during a conference call with the Buffalo media this week. ” . . . He’s a big, athletic guy who is strong and moves very well. He’s got the size. He does a lot of things well. You don’t see him get beat a whole lot. He’s equally as strong in the run game as he is in the pass game. I think he’s a helluva player.”

 

When one considers the difficulty teams have in locating, acquiring, and keeping a left tackle cheap, Peters’ claim to being an elite left tackle makes him one of the most valuable — and unlikely — assets in pro football.

 

and:

 

"At this point, Jason Peters represents not only a player with a unique path to his job and a interesting skill set, but he’s one of the ten most valuable players in football, when you consider bang for buck. "

 

 

The guy is very, very good, period.

I think we all know how you feel. You tell us numerous times daily. I think we all agree how good/important he is to the Bills. The only disagreement is how Peters and his agent are going about this. Everyone has stated their case many times. Let's just get ready for the season. Whether he shows or not, there is still a game in 2 weeks.

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I think we all know how you feel. You tell us numerous times daily. I think we all agree how good/important he is to the Bills. The only disagreement is how Peters and his agent are going about this. Everyone has stated their case many times. Let's just get ready for the season. Whether he shows or not, there is still a game in 2 weeks.

I think Mickey is trying to convince us that we need to crawl to Parker and Peters over broken glass dragging an armored car behind us because we are not worthy.

 

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Jesus Christ, man. Posting that article in one thread wasn't enough for you? Give it a rest. Nobody wants to lose Peters; some simply believe the tactics utilized by his agent are questionable, and there's nothing wrong with Buffalo wanting to see another year of high quality play before opening the bank vault for the guy.

 

It's really quite simple, yet some bring so much drama to the table.

Is there nothing wrong with the team pursuing a course that will eventually cost us this player? I think he has certainly proved his worth already. One pro bowl year and some proof that he woudl have made it the year before despite playing 1/2 the year on the right side if he hadn't have been such an unknown. (See Peter Kings 2007 ballot and what Ryan had to say to McNally when he saw Peters' tape after he already turned in his ballot). If it was a choice between losing him and paying him now, what woud you choose? Screw him over now and sooner or later, he will bolt as soon as he can. At the very least, he would be gone after this contract and though 3 years might seem like a long time, he has a lot more than 3 years of football left in him.

 

Maybe you have missed the "Peters is a selfish peckerhead, screw we don't need him, he isn't all that good, etc." posts that are all over the board. I haven't. This post is a response to that stuff and if it bothers you, a good solution might be to not read it.

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I think Mickey is trying to convince us that we need to crawl to Parker and Peters over broken glass dragging an armored car behind us because we are not worthy.

 

PTR

...and you are trying to convince us that Peters is a fat, lazy bastard and we are better off without him.

 

Lets take a look at your even tempered discussion of Peters, simply objecting to his agents tactics:

 

"Be selfish, disrespect your teammates, and the Bills have nothing to say to you, even if you are a (one-time barely) Pro Bowler" Peters selfish and disrespectful? Check.

 

"It really looks like Parker was banking on the Bills to behave like some people on this board: wetting their panties at the thought of playing without Peters" We don't need Peters? Check.

 

"If Peters won't listen, then I'd tell him he should look into trade school to learn a new skill because he'll never play another down in the NFL if I have anything to to about it." To hell with Peters? Check.

 

"Giving into a crybaby like Peters only invites every other player on the team to hold out." Peters a crybaby? Check.

 

"Another pouting holdout." Check.

 

"I hope Peters bought Madden '09 because it will be the only football he plays this year. Jase, how's that new agent workin' out for ya?" Check.

 

But to be fair, you have been restrained compared to others:

 

"I guess Peters is too stupid to realize this and start looking out for his own interests, not Parker's."

"I believe he goes on the Incredibly Stupid/Unable To Perform list."

"Maybe Peckerhead is coming to grips with his self-inflicted conundrum"

"Peters will report by week's end - with egg on his face, and nothing but his dick in his hand to show for his 4-week display of petulance and futile greed"

"Parker is a punk, and Peters is an idiot."

"...are you suggesting that stupidity, bad behavior, and not honoring one's word are things that should have no consequences "

"Peters will look even more stupid, if that's possible..."

"The Bills have shown they can survive - maybe even do quite well, thank you - without Peters"

"Now, instead of sittin' on your fat ass while all your teammates are working their butts off, how 'bout hopping in your big-ass, tricked out SUV ..."

"Ya gotta think he's feeling pretty stupid right now, and is wondering how he gets out of the jam he's caused himself without looking like a total idiot. Too late for that, Jason..."

"I still think Peters will report Friday [Aug. 8th], and that the Bills are already in 'spin control' mode to find a face-saving way out for Jason..." I won't bother with all the other sage predictions that he will be in camp by ________, all of which have been wrong.

 

 

So with all that bile against Peters, I can see why it seems like overkill for me to post something positive about Peters to interrupt the 24-7 "Peters is a greedy idiot" post parade.

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Is there nothing wrong with the team pursuing a course that will eventually cost us this player? I think he has certainly proved his worth already. One pro bowl year and some proof that he woudl have made it the year before despite playing 1/2 the year on the right side if he hadn't have been such an unknown. (See Peter Kings 2007 ballot and what Ryan had to say to McNally when he saw Peters' tape after he already turned in his ballot). If it was a choice between losing him and paying him now, what woud you choose? Screw him over now and sooner or later, he will bolt as soon as he can. At the very least, he would be gone after this contract and though 3 years might seem like a long time, he has a lot more than 3 years of football left in him.

3 years is a long time. Yes, there's no need for the Bills to antagonize him, but do you have any evidence that that's what the team is doing? I certainly haven't seen anyone from the Bills front office saying "Screw Jason Peters, we don't need him."

 

Right now both sides are playing hardball, but until I see some proof otherwise, I don't think either side is treating it as anything other than just business. And whatever hurt feelings there may be, there's another two seasons after this one for the Bills to toss a nice juicy contract extension in front of Peters which I am confident he will sign if the price is right.

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...and you are trying to convince us that Peters is a fat, lazy bastard and we are better off without him.

 

Lets take a look at your even tempered discussion of Peters, simply objecting to his agents tactics:

 

"Be selfish, disrespect your teammates, and the Bills have nothing to say to you, even if you are a (one-time barely) Pro Bowler" Peters selfish and disrespectful? Check.

 

"It really looks like Parker was banking on the Bills to behave like some people on this board: wetting their panties at the thought of playing without Peters" We don't need Peters? Check.

 

"If Peters won't listen, then I'd tell him he should look into trade school to learn a new skill because he'll never play another down in the NFL if I have anything to to about it." To hell with Peters? Check.

 

"Giving into a crybaby like Peters only invites every other player on the team to hold out." Peters a crybaby? Check.

 

"Another pouting holdout." Check.

 

"I hope Peters bought Madden '09 because it will be the only football he plays this year. Jase, how's that new agent workin' out for ya?" Check.

 

But to be fair, you have been restrained compared to others:

 

"I guess Peters is too stupid to realize this and start looking out for his own interests, not Parker's."

"I believe he goes on the Incredibly Stupid/Unable To Perform list."

"Maybe Peckerhead is coming to grips with his self-inflicted conundrum"

"Peters will report by week's end - with egg on his face, and nothing but his dick in his hand to show for his 4-week display of petulance and futile greed"

"Parker is a punk, and Peters is an idiot."

"...are you suggesting that stupidity, bad behavior, and not honoring one's word are things that should have no consequences "

"Peters will look even more stupid, if that's possible..."

"The Bills have shown they can survive - maybe even do quite well, thank you - without Peters"

"Now, instead of sittin' on your fat ass while all your teammates are working their butts off, how 'bout hopping in your big-ass, tricked out SUV ..."

"Ya gotta think he's feeling pretty stupid right now, and is wondering how he gets out of the jam he's caused himself without looking like a total idiot. Too late for that, Jason..."

"I still think Peters will report Friday [Aug. 8th], and that the Bills are already in 'spin control' mode to find a face-saving way out for Jason..." I won't bother with all the other sage predictions that he will be in camp by ________, all of which have been wrong.

 

 

So with all that bile against Peters, I can see why it seems like overkill for me to post something positive about Peters to interrupt the 24-7 "Peters is a greedy idiot" post parade.

We are all Bills fans and want Peters playing, but you seem a bit obsessed with this. You might need to take a break and maybe not watch tomorrow night.

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Is there nothing wrong with the team pursuing a course that will eventually cost us this player?

How in the world is this going to cost us Peters? When he decides he's finished sitting on his couch and costing himself money, he comes to the Bills. Its not like he has another option. :)

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