Stl Bills Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 From everything I've seen Ryan Denney is a better DE than Chris Kelsay. He's much better against the run and although neither is a dynamic pass rusher..........Denney seems to get to the QB with more consistency (Kelsay can disapesar for games at time if not mulitple games in row). Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge fan of Denney but from everything I've seen I do think he's a better option than C. Kelsay at LDE. I know they rotate but I'd rather see Denney get the bulk of the snaps. Hell, if C. Ellis can emerge and contribute this year, I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do opposite Schobel. Am I the only one who thinks Denney is a better DE?
bizell Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 from what I've seen of Kelsay this preseason, he's done a good job rushing the passer. much moreso than I've ever noticed of him before.
eball Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 from what I've seen of Kelsay this preseason, he's done a good job rushing the passer. much moreso than I've ever noticed of him before. I've got to think this has something to do with both Kelsay's play last year, and what you've noticed so far this summer.
ricojes Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 From everything I've seen Ryan Denney is a better DE than Chris Kelsay. He's much better against the run and although neither is a dynamic pass rusher..........Denney seems to get to the QB with more consistency (Kelsay can disapesar for games at time if not mulitple games in row). Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge fan of Denney but from everything I've seen I do think he's a better option than C. Kelsay at LDE. I know they rotate but I'd rather see Denney get the bulk of the snaps. Hell, if C. Ellis can emerge and contribute this year, I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do opposite Schobel. Am I the only one who thinks Denney is a better DE? I don't think there is that much of a difference, but I do think Kelsey has the edge. I think the Bills use Denney wisely and that makes him effective. If Denney was the started, I'm sure he would "disapear at times" as well.
LabattBlue Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 I've got to think this has something to do with both Kelsay's play last year, and what you've noticed so far this summer. Kelsay got hurt in Game 11 last year(as the article states). Up to that point he had 2 sacks in 10+ games. What was the excuse for the poor play to that point?
AlbanyBill Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 I've got to think this has something to do with both Kelsay's play last year, and what you've noticed so far this summer. and this
DDD Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Ryan Denney is no where near the player Kelsay is. In fact, for a 2nd rounder that Donahoe traded up to get, I'd say he is a bust. Denney plays with poor leverage is is nothing more than a back-up. I don't get why Levy resigned him to a 4 yr 10million dollar deal a few years ago. His sack total is deceiving- most of his sacks were a matter of him being in the right place at the right time- not on his ability to shed blocks and collapse the pocket which he can't do to any effective level.
RayFinkle Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Am I the only one who can't tell the difference between Kelsay and Denney?
Stl Bills Posted August 19, 2008 Author Posted August 19, 2008 Ryan Denney is no where near the player Kelsay is. In fact, for a 2nd rounder that Donahoe traded up to get, I'd say he is a bust. Denney plays with poor leverage is is nothing more than a back-up. I don't get why Levy resigned him to a 4 yr 10million dollar deal a few years ago. His sack total is deceiving- most of his sacks were a matter of him being in the right place at the right time- not on his ability to shed blocks and collapse the pocket which he can't do to any effective level. Not even close huh? I'd say its more than close.......... Denney- last 3 years...... 39 games 11 sacks 131 tackles Kelsay- last 3 years........46 games 10.5 sacks 151 tackles And their "games played" is significantly understated and misleading considering Kelsay gets a lot more snaps per game than does Denney. So you're saying Denney is just the luckier of the two, being in the right place at the right time. Well in all honesty that works for me as long as he sacks the damn QB, but I don't think thats the reason for it. Based on performance if you are going to call one a bust you'd have to say the same for the other one.
John from Riverside Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Kelsay got hurt in Game 11 last year(as the article states). Up to that point he had 2 sacks in 10+ games. What was the excuse for the poor play to that point? Horrible D Tackle play?
LabattBlue Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Horrible D Tackle play? The post I was responding to was in reference to "injuries" being a big reason for Kelsay's suckiness last year. To that I responded that he wasn't hurt until Game #11.
LabattBlue Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Not even close huh? I'd say its more than close.......... Denney- last 3 years...... 39 games 11 sacks 131 tackles Kelsay- last 3 years........46 games 10.5 sacks 151 tackles And their "games played" is significantly understated and misleading considering Kelsay gets a lot more snaps per game than does Denney. So you're saying Denney is just the luckier of the two, being in the right place at the right time. Well in all honesty that works for me as long as he sacks the damn QB, but I don't think thats the reason for it. Based on performance if you are going to call one a bust you'd have to say the same for the other one. Good post!
Swift Sylvan Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Kelsay is rated an 83 and Denney a 79 on Madden. Enough said
MattyT Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Am I the only one who can't tell the difference between Kelsay and Denney? Not the only one. The only difference between them most of the time is a fresh pair of legs.
ans4e64 Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 I always advocated that I liked Denney better, and got ridiculed on here for saying it when they gave Kelsay that big contract a few years ago. I didn't understand it then, and I don't now.
bflobarry Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 I have thought so too. Kelsay takes the same ultra wide rush EVERY TIME and gets pushed past the passer. I prefer Denney....
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 Am I the only one who can't tell the difference between Kelsay and Denney? Epic. I love it.
MattyT Posted August 19, 2008 Posted August 19, 2008 The worst was when they traded numbers, I still get them confused. I heard they also secretly switch jerseys during the middle of the game to get Denney more playing time.
BillsWatch Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Kelsay is rated an 83 and Denney a 79 on Madden. Enough said Actually it is too much - anything regarding Madden that is.
My Friends Call Me Tebucky Posted August 20, 2008 Posted August 20, 2008 Am I the only one who can't tell the difference between Kelsay and Denney? I agree- they're very similar, and equally mediocre. I almost want to say Denney's better because his contract isn't absurd...but all things considered, I think they're both just average NFL defensive ends.
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