swede316 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Makes sense....Would like to see it done. Now I understand some roads would have to widened and such but it's a good solution. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/p...3/808170323/tbd
Glass To The Arson Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I want this stadium IN downtown Buffalo. Not Niagara Falls. Downtown Buffalo would thrive off of this!
bluenews Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I want this stadium IN downtown Buffalo. Not Niagara Falls. Downtown Buffalo would thrive off of this! I've attended a few NFL games in "downtown" cities. The tailgating sucks!!! The RCA Dome in Indy was the worst! A downtown Buffalo Stadium would hold about 65,000 and have many Bills' stores, restaurants and bars for fans to spend their dala dala Bills!!
Glass To The Arson Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I've attended a few NFL games in "downtown" cities. The tailgating sucks!!! The RCA Dome in Indy was the worst! A downtown Buffalo Stadium would hold about 65,000 and have many Bills' stores, restaurants and bars for fans to spend their dala dala Bills!! Dude. Thats cool with me. Buffalo has alot of space downtown behind HSBC on the waterfront - mostly abandoned buildings. Take that crap down - build a sick stadium and build a gigantic parking lot around it. This would be amazing! If only i was the mayor...
LabattBlue Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I want this stadium IN downtown Buffalo. Not Niagara Falls. Downtown Buffalo would thrive off of this! I don't think we are going to see a new stadium at all, but if it were to happen, I'd want it in downtown Buffalo before the Niagara Falls area.
krazykat Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Who is going to pay for it and why do you guys think that a stadium is what will keep the Bills in Buffalo?
Marv's Neighbor Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 This future stuff is all speculation. With all due respect to Jim, the future ownership of the team will determine everything, and nobody in their right mind would make any stadium committments before that. Niagara Falls is in worse shape than Buffalo. Most of the "suitable" building sites would likely be toxic waste clean-up sites. It would be less convenient from Rochester because the Interstate roads run thru Buffalo. The Lewiston/Queenston Bridge is another choke point, no better than the still to be improved??? Peace Bridge. No question a "new" stadium must be in the Downtown Buffalo area but I don't see that happening till the future ownership question is setteled.
krazykat Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 This future stuff is all speculation. With all due respect to Jim, the future ownership of the team will determine everything, and nobody in their right mind would make any stadium committments before that. Niagara Falls is in worse shape than Buffalo. Most of the "suitable" building sites would likely be toxic waste clean-up sites. It would be less convenient from Rochester because the Interstate roads run thru Buffalo. The Lewiston/Queenston Bridge is another choke point, no better than the still to be improved??? Peace Bridge. No question a "new" stadium must be in the Downtown Buffalo area but I don't see that happening till the future ownership question is setteled. No argument here, NF's is a s-hole, especially on the Am side. It clearly wouldn't be a geographical decision. Ralph screwed the pooch when he clung to the outdated Miami rivalry back in 2002 when they did the realignment. He should have been clammoring for a division with Pittsburgh and Cleveland. If the NFL started a new team today Buffalo wouldn't get it. The primary marketing demographic is fleeing the like people running from a burning building. Except for the few biggest cities the northeast is dying. All the action is in the South East now.
Glass To The Arson Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 No argument here, NF's is a s-hole, especially on the Am side. It clearly wouldn't be a geographical decision. Ralph screwed the pooch when he clung to the outdated Miami rivalry back in 2002 when they did the realignment. He should have been clammoring for a division with Pittsburgh and Cleveland. If the NFL started a new team today Buffalo wouldn't get it. The primary marketing demographic is fleeing the like people running from a burning building. Except for the few biggest cities the northeast is dying. All the action is in the South East now. I wouldnt say its dying...its just not changing when other places are getting better Buffalo needs a tourist attraction - Niagara Falls is one of them but city wise - we need that goddamn Buffalo creek casino here now! and the gigantic waterfront village they are making next year - and of course - the bills stadium.
seq004 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I think it would be a great idea and it does make sense if they could clear out some junk. I grew up in the Falls and it's really part of Buffalo and buffalo sports.
seq004 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I wouldnt say its dying...its just not changing when other places are getting better Buffalo needs a tourist attraction - Niagara Falls is one of them but city wise - we need that goddamn Buffalo creek casino here now! and the gigantic waterfront village they are making next year - and of course - the bills stadium. There is a lot of new Downtown development going on right now but the problem of lack of decent jobs still remains. We can only hope it will change soon.
krazykat Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I wouldnt say its dying...its just not changing when other places are getting better Buffalo needs a tourist attraction - Niagara Falls is one of them but city wise - we need that goddamn Buffalo creek casino here now! and the gigantic waterfront village they are making next year - and of course - the bills stadium. No, it's dying. If you look at the statistics you will see that the 18-35 year old demographic is declining hastily. Buffalo, like all NYS cities needs to cut taxes but can't do it because the state has turned NY into a socialist utopia and this is what we get. Albany, Ithaca, and NYC of course are doing fine. Businesses leaving for far more favorable economic climes. With business so goes the people. Casinos and other gambling places are what move in at that point creating further problems.
Max997 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 The thinking is to put the stadium in a place where they could get the most fans. Downtown Buffalo wouldnt work for Canadian fans but put one in the Niagra Falls area and the commute becomes much better and still isnt bad for the Buffalo area fans ( better then Toronto anyway ). You would also get the tourist attraction of Niagra Falls for out of town fans. You make the stadium a place even non Bills fans would want to go to experience it. Look what Camden Yards did for the Orioles and Baseball, non Orioles fans are still going there just to experience it. Look at all the parks that have followed since Camden Yards was built. Fans will travel to new stadiums for the experience. A new state of the stadium near a tourist attraction like Niagra Falls sounds like a winner to me
krazykat Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 I wouldnt say its dying...its just not changing when other places are getting better Buffalo needs a tourist attraction - Niagara Falls is one of them but city wise - we need that goddamn Buffalo creek casino here now! and the gigantic waterfront village they are making next year - and of course - the bills stadium. http://nysjcpres2008.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html This sums it up. The problem is not student loans though. It's a lack of good jobs that prevent them from paying them off and high taxes that take their money. I mean that's what taxes are, the government confiscating your money. What would a payment be on a student loan at 6% with a principle of $20K? What, a hundred and some bucks a month? 200 maybe? Taxes in NYS take far more than that per month. A small home with 1800 square feet and 3 BRs costs $400/month in taxes. Everytime you fill up the gov takes more. Your phone bill, more. Shopping more. Then the state has decided that we should pay for everyone else's health care. But hey, that's who the people vote in, so what do we expect. We get what we deserve and the people are leaving the state. The ones returning are the older ones only making the problem worse.
krazykat Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 The thinking is to put the stadium in a place where they could get the most fans. Downtown Buffalo wouldnt work for Canadian fans but put one in the Niagra Falls area and the commute becomes much better and still isnt bad for the Buffalo area fans ( better then Toronto anyway ). You would also get the tourist attraction of Niagra Falls for out of town fans. You make the stadium a place even non Bills fans would want to go to experience it. Look what Camden Yards did for the Orioles and Baseball, non Orioles fans are still going there just to experience it. Look at all the parks that have followed since Camden Yards was built. Fans will travel to new stadiums for the experience. A new state of the stadium near a tourist attraction like Niagra Falls sounds like a winner to me Who's going to pay for it? The state is broke. literally. Erie County is in even worse shape as is the City. So a new owner is going to buy the team for what, 700M, if he's lucky, finance most of it, pay the interest on that and then build a new stadium with what funds? his own and finance that too? And then make a profit? Ralph's been crying for years about not making money so either he's been lying through his teeth or the money isn't there. He hasn't had stadium or team financing either. Like I said, if he were smart he would have said screw this fading Miami rivalry and insisted that the Bills be with Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Baltimore could have gone to the East where it would have made more sense. It's too late for all that. WNY isn't going to build a new stadium and neither will a new owner. It will move to LA before they build a new stadium. Toronto will embrace the Bills. Everyone's talking about what a bust a preseason game was, but just go on Craigslist and see what ps tickets are selling for all around the league. They're cheap with maybe one or two exceptions. No one cares about preseason that much. The Miami tickets will go just fine. I doubt they would put the team in Southern Ontario since the Wildcats are the big bone of contention there. Both leagues will coexist and the NFL and its push for international play will accommodate such a move no matter what it takes. The financiers in Toronto have much more leverage.
fbzh2 Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Who's going to pay for it? The state is broke. literally. Erie County is in even worse shape as is the City. So a new owner is going to buy the team for what, 700M, if he's lucky, finance most of it, pay the interest on that and then build a new stadium with what funds? his own and finance that too? And then make a profit? Ralph's been crying for years about not making money so either he's been lying through his teeth or the money isn't there. He hasn't had stadium or team financing either. Like I said, if he were smart he would have said screw this fading Miami rivalry and insisted that the Bills be with Cleveland and Pittsburgh. Baltimore could have gone to the East where it would have made more sense. It's too late for all that. WNY isn't going to build a new stadium and neither will a new owner. It will move to LA before they build a new stadium. Toronto will embrace the Bills. Everyone's talking about what a bust a preseason game was, but just go on Craigslist and see what ps tickets are selling for all around the league. They're cheap with maybe one or two exceptions. No one cares about preseason that much. The Miami tickets will go just fine. I doubt they would put the team in Southern Ontario since the Wildcats are the big bone of contention there. Both leagues will coexist and the NFL and its push for international play will accommodate such a move no matter what it takes. The financiers in Toronto have much more leverage. Bingo! Right on the money...pun intended!
Lv-Bills Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 No argument here, NF's is a s-hole, especially on the Am side. It clearly wouldn't be a geographical decision. Ralph screwed the pooch when he clung to the outdated Miami rivalry back in 2002 when they did the realignment. He should have been clammoring for a division with Pittsburgh and Cleveland. If the NFL started a new team today Buffalo wouldn't get it. The primary marketing demographic is fleeing the like people running from a burning building. Except for the few biggest cities the northeast is dying. All the action is in the South East now. Yes he did. It was the dumbest thing he's ever done. Holding on to Miami in the AFC East was about the most brainless thing. A division with Pittsburgh, Cleveland and maybe even Detroit would guarantee sellouts at the Ralph for all of those home games, no matter how well the Bills are doing. If the Bills were bad, one or two of those other teams would be in the hunt, and their fans would travel the short distance to Buffalo. Hell, if the NFL expanded in that scenario, you could even ADD Toronto to the league, put them in that division, and Buffalo would be GUARANTEED four sellouts a year, no matter what. Could you imagine the rivalries the Bills would have with Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Toronto? Guaranteed full houses no matter what. Then, just make sure none of the division games were the home opener and you have five guaranteed sellouts. You could also raise prices to be more on par with the rest of the league. That makes too much sense though.
krazykat Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Yes he did. It was the dumbest thing he's ever done. Holding on to Miami in the AFC East was about the most brainless thing. A division with Pittsburgh, Cleveland and maybe even Detroit would guarantee sellouts at the Ralph for all of those home games, no matter how well the Bills are doing. If the Bills were bad, one or two of those other teams would be in the hunt, and their fans would travel the short distance to Buffalo. Hell, if the NFL expanded in that scenario, you could even ADD Toronto to the league, put them in that division, and Buffalo would be GUARANTEED four sellouts a year, no matter what. Could you imagine the rivalries the Bills would have with Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Toronto? Guaranteed full houses no matter what. Then, just make sure none of the division games were the home opener and you have five guaranteed sellouts. You could also raise prices to be more on par with the rest of the league. That makes too much sense though. Well, and this won't be popular, but Ralph seems to be a pretty brainless guy. His decision to buy the Bills for 25K wasn't really all that risky with huge upside that has played out. It was a no-brainer in essence which is why he made it. I'm sure whatever other business interests he has or had were spun off of that entirely. Otherwise when he's stuck his head into team affairs the results have been bad more often then they have been good. He fired Polian, let Butler and AJ Smith walk, has supported certain players here that ended up not being great and there and by rumor we can only assume more, and really hasn't done much to help this club to winning. He talks a good game about being all for Buffalonians but lives in Detroit and it's not as if Detroit is Palm Springs. But you're right, his childish completely not thought through gotta have the Fins in our division was as stupid as his comments years ago about it being ok if the team were 2-14 as long as the two wins were against Miami. I can't imagine that he's always been that vacuous but he sure is today. It's well past time for a new owner and unfortunately that's when we will know the fate of this team.
krazykat Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Yes he did. It was the dumbest thing he's ever done. Holding on to Miami in the AFC East was about the most brainless thing. A division with Pittsburgh, Cleveland and maybe even Detroit would guarantee sellouts at the Ralph for all of those home games, no matter how well the Bills are doing. If the Bills were bad, one or two of those other teams would be in the hunt, and their fans would travel the short distance to Buffalo. Hell, if the NFL expanded in that scenario, you could even ADD Toronto to the league, put them in that division, and Buffalo would be GUARANTEED four sellouts a year, no matter what. Could you imagine the rivalries the Bills would have with Cleveland, Pittsburgh and Toronto? Guaranteed full houses no matter what. Then, just make sure none of the division games were the home opener and you have five guaranteed sellouts. You could also raise prices to be more on par with the rest of the league. That makes too much sense though. Interesting thought about adding Toronto to the league although imo the league if anything should have fewer teams not more. Even so, it's not sellouts that make the difference, it's TV revenues and luxury seating. IMO that will be much easier in Toronto over time. In fact maybe especially in Toronto where they put the kibash on tailgating. I would think that parties in the suites would be even more popular there. I can't imagine that the NFL's not trying to work out a solution to the tailgating thing though. that's pretty big.
Bill from NYC Posted August 17, 2008 Posted August 17, 2008 Do you people think that the majority of WNYers would follow the team to Toronto? I sense not, and it would be mainly up to Canadians to support a Toronto Franchise. This also says nothing of the leigons of out of town fans, who (imo) buy a decent proportion of Bills tickets, much more than in other cities.
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