rockpile Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 The Buffalo Bills future is north - not east. Sorry Rochester and Syracuse - love your support but the population and money just north of the border is huge. My first choice would be downtown Buffalo... preferably near HSBC or along the harbor. If Grand Island didn't have such access issues - I wouldn't mind the stadium being built there - plenty of space - sorta north of beaver island park on the westside of the island - imagine the skyline views of Niagara Falls to the north and Buffalo to the south. We could even build a bridge from the qew right to grand island or provide ferry service for Canadians on game day. If money weren't an issue - Id help fund high speed trains between Toronto and Buffalo. Albany and Buffalo. Cleveland and Buffalo. We need to connect these metro areas and high speed trains are the way to go. I hear the Love Canal property is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agilen Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 high speed trains? about everybody!! They have changed about everything in the way people travel in France those last 20 years.... Yes, in _France_. You have much higher population densities, less land, less highway infrastructure, and higher fuel costs. Trains in Europe have always been feasible and efficient because of that. America is too big and spread out for trains to work in all but the highest density population areas (upstate NY is not one of them). Like a poster said above, flying is cheaper than taking the train. As for the stadium location....I had never really thought of Grand Island, but thats not a bad idea. The only way for that to work, however, is to get rid of the tolls on the bridges. It would look great on TV to get a shot of the stadium and the mist of the falls in the background. Also, the weather on the north end of grand island is far better than Orchard Park, so those late December games would be more bearable for those fans who don't like the bitter cold games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 As for the stadium location....I had never really thought of Grand Island, but thats not a bad idea. The only way for that to work, however, is to get rid of the tolls on the bridges. Tolls would be the least concern. You need more ways to get on / off the island. Two bridges will not cut it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 This would also attract canadians to come to our side of the pond instead of it being us always going there PROTECT OUR BORDERS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hit and marshawn Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 PROTECT OUR BORDERS! Easy to protect, we will just let marshawn drive around the stadium pre game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeFerguson Posted August 7, 2008 Share Posted August 7, 2008 The BUFFALO Bills should have a stadium in downtown BUFFALO. The University at BUFFALO should not have their main campus in Amherst. There is plenty of land downtown, just being occupied by abandoned structures. A small city like Buffalo needs a centralized, pulsating economic/attraction filled heart, and that should be downtown Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yes, in _France_. less highway infrastructure When was the last time you visited France? 1945? !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivier in france Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yes, in _France_. You have much higher population densities, less land, less highway infrastructure, and higher fuel costs. Trains in Europe have always been feasible and efficient because of that. America is too big and spread out for trains to work in all but the highest density population areas (upstate NY is not one of them). Like a poster said above, flying is cheaper than taking the train. The NE US has about the same distance between major cities and the same population densities than Europe. High speed train lines going from Boston to DC, NYC to Toronto via Rochester and Buffalo, Quebec to Detroit via Montreal and Toronto, Chicago to Philly via Pitt and Cleveland 'd not only be viable but a real solution for the future. Flying will very soon be more expensive than train for trips under 1 000 miles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Right across the street after knocking down ECC South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockpile Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 The NE US has about the same distance between major cities and the same population densities than Europe. High speed train lines going from Boston to DC, NYC to Toronto via Rochester and Buffalo, Quebec to Detroit via Montreal and Toronto, Chicago to Philly via Pitt and Cleveland 'd not only be viable but a real solution for the future. Flying will very soon be more expensive than train for trips under 1 000 miles You are right, but sadly I am not aware of any plans for improving rail service. It is slow, uncomfortable, and expensive. It is MUCH cheaper to drive my Honda to NYC with three passengers, and 3 to 5 hours faster without breaking the speed limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 The off-season (yes, even training camp) is pretty boring around here. Just looking to spark some discussion that doesn't involve Jason Peters. Let's say some random billionaire buys the Bills, wants to keep them in western/upstate New York, and will completely privately fund a new stadium. Where would you want it? Not where do you think it would go (save the Toronto jokes), but where would you want it if you were asked by the new owner for input. A few thoughts: 1 - Orchard Park, right next to/on top of the current site of The Ralph... infrastructure is there, training facilities, plenty of parking, easy access to several major highways, etc. 2 - Niagara County, either in the city of Niagara Falls or somewhere in Wheatfield, Lewiston, etc... easier commute for the Canadian base the team is trying to grow. 3 - Buffalo, on the current site of the Perry Projects... plenty of land available for development near HSBC, public transportation, (potentially) the Casino, but would alter tailgating as we know it (perhaps make it more like Cubs games with people flooding bars before and after the game?). 4 - Buffalo, somewhere on the outer harbor... access would be a B word, especially come December, as many fans would be forced to use the skyway. 5 - Lackawanna, on redeveloped brownfields... same problem as #4. 6 - Batavia, or some other point along the 90 in Genesee County... might make seasons tickets or spending corporate dollars on a suite more attractive to people from Rochester, Canandaigua, Syracuse and points east. With the apparent apathy of the Toronto market, I am actually leaning towards #6 in the interests of the long-term financial health of the franchise. I get the feeling more folks from Rochester and points east would go to Bills games and more businesses would be interested in suites/partnerships if they had a significantly shorter commute (not to mention access during non-game days for various events). Moving the stadium near Batavia would cut a good 40 minutes or so off the commute TO the game, and a good hour or so after the game when you consider all the folks that would be fighting to head west to Buffalo. Thoughts? ON EDIT: Assume sufficient funds and the necessary political will to accomplish just about anything... within reason. #6 will save more than about 2 hours from the whole experience for us Syracusans as it is we leave at 9:15 and get home around 8:30. that is a long day for my 70 yr old dad. 10:30 to 7:30 is much more doable. Skip Dinner and we could get home by 6:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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