just pay peters

[John Adams]

In this Mexican stand-off, with 3 years left on his contract, he needs to get his ass into camp. His value--this year--is declining with each practice missed.

 

There's no comparing an NFL contract to a real-life contract. The owners in the NFL have an out: they can cut a player at any time for any reason and not have to pay the player's salary. The player's leverage is the renegotiation after a good year. Again, no problem with Peters demanding a renegotiation--but he needs to do it from inside camp, not from his home.

[ndirish1978]

Just so I get this straight. You can get upset that we haven't paid him more, which is in itself irrelevant. But when people get annoyed that he isn't at work, you tell them to calm down? Employ some consistency. Does he deserve more money? Sure. Is he at work? No. One thing is certain, fans are excited about this team now and as such are more likely yo side with the FO because they dont want anyone screwing up the season. bad time for a holdout. I wonder how much his jersey sales will decline?

[Ramius]

How about Whitner, who is a walking publicity machine, and he is a freaking safety?

 

So you are implyig that safeties dont deserve big bucks at all, only OL does?

[apuszczalowski]

I disagree. Peters was playing RT, and if I recall (not sure), playing for the NFL minimum. In this sense, the Bills have already saved a ton of money on him. They spent it on the likes of Kyle Williams, Josh Reed, Brad Butler, and other linemen to whom Peters is clearly superior.

 

Jeff Backus signed a 6 year/40 million contract 2 years ago! He is not even almost as good as Peters, to say nothing of potential greatness. This is a special case, or so I think.

Peters was playing RT when he signed the deal, and then half way during the first season of the deal he was switched to LT. You don't think that Peters and his agent knew the Bills were eventually going to try him there? Or do you believe that they just one week in practice decided that he should switch and play LT the next week? Didn't they just re-sign Williams and Butler in the last year? After Peters had already agreed to his 5 year deal, that at the time he thought was a good deal? If he flopped at RT or LT, would he have sat out to re work a lower deal to get paid what he would be worth? Maybe Butler and Williams agents are better agents and were able to work out better deals for their players?

 

So Jeff Backus isn't even close to Peters greatness, and yet he signed a bigger deal then what Peters did, at the same time Peters signed his deal. I have yet to see how this doesn't help to prove that peters agent is not that great. Of course you think this is a special case, you have had a man crush on Peters for years, so of course you feel he should get whatever he wants. But if you were to step back and look at the situation and how its being approached/handled by him and his agent, you would see there are alot better ways to get the job done, and the Bills have shown it in the past that they are willing to get the job done. Just look at Schoebel, signed a new deal, played part of it, another DE he is better then signed a better deal, Bills renegotiate with him because he showed up to TC and participated in team activities while re-negotiating.

[Bill from NYC]

So you are implyig that safeties dont deserve big bucks at all, only OL does?

 

No, I am directly stating that a Left Tackle is one of the top 2 most important positions on a football team. I might also add that Peters is regarded higher around the league at his position than Whitner, and I wish it was close.

[SwampD]

IIRC Peters got a $5 mil signing bonus for his last deal. So if he feels he is worth a new contract now, that means we've been paying almost six million a year for a RT who played half of one season and a LT that didn't finish a season. Up to this pointI think he owes the Bills money.

[Ramius]

No, I am directly stating that a Left Tackle is one of the top 2 most important positions on a football team. I might also add that Peters is regarded higher around the league at his position than Whitner, and I wish it was close.

 

You'll get no arguements from me on either one of those points. I just think theres no difference if peters gets his money now or is he gets his money in february. Either way he's going to play this season, and he's going to make the big bucks. He can threaten to never sign with the bills, but when they toss 25 mil guaranteed to him next february, he'll gladly sign it.

[Bill from NYC]

You'll get no arguements from me on either one of those points. I just think theres no difference if peters gets his money now or is he gets his money in february. Either way he's going to play this season, and he's going to make the big bucks. He can threaten to never sign with the bills, but when they toss 25 mil guaranteed to him next february, he'll gladly sign it.

 

I hope you are correct. This thing is crazy; it is hurting the team.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just so I get this straight. You can get upset that we haven't paid him more, which is in itself irrelevant. But when people get annoyed that he isn't at work, you tell them to calm down? Employ some consistency. Does he deserve more money? Sure. Is he at work? No. One thing is certain, fans are excited about this team now and as such are more likely yo side with the FO because they dont want anyone screwing up the season. bad time for a holdout. I wonder how much his jersey sales will decline?

What is so hard to understand??? You have players like Evans and Crowell entering their contract years. They deserve to be paid more, BUT GUESS WHAT?? They are in camp!! AND GUESS WHAT?? The Bills are negotiating new deals for them. Now you have a player who got a generous extension just two years ago, before he even deserved it I might add. He gets moved to LT has one Pro Bowl year. He deserves more money too. Does he ask the Bills for more money? No. He stays at home and ignores the team. What's more, he had surgery and he hasn't let the Bills team doctors loo at him or follow his rehab.

 

So who do you reward? Players that come to camp or players that flip off the team and his teammates?

 

PTR

[Mickey]

Simply put, if you're under contract, you show the f*ck up to camp, if you want a better contract because you KNOW you're going to produce down the road, prove it now, and get your money when you answer you're damn phone and stop pulling the silent treatment.

 

Don't be like my ex-girlfriend and ruin a damn good thing.

There has been no silent treatment. Parker and Brandon have discussed Peters. And every hold out that ends in a new contract involves the player not being in camp. His location is not the issue and shouldn't be. The issue is the millions more that he wants this year.

[apuszczalowski]

There has been no silent treatment. Parker and Brandon have discussed Peters. And every hold out that ends in a new contract involves the player not being in camp. His location is not the issue and shouldn't be. The issue is the millions more that he wants this year.

Where have you been getting this from???????

 

I think Brandon has said that he had a small conversation with Parker, while finalising Hardys deal, and thats it.

 

Where has it ever been said that they had discussions and that the problem has been the money he wants?

[The Senator]

Where have you been getting this from???????

 

I think Brandon has said that he had a small conversation with Parker, while finalising Hardys deal, and thats it.

 

Where has it ever been said that they had discussions and that the problem has been the money he wants?

Bingo! The imagination is a wonderful thing, no?

 

Personally, while the other 80 guys are working their asses off in the hot summer sun, trying like hell to get this team to the next level, I think Peters is on a beach in Fiji, suckin' on a tuna colada.

 

(See, it works both ways!)

 

GO BILLSSS!!!!

 

19 & 0 baby!!!!!

[Mickey]

Where have you been getting this from???????

 

I think Brandon has said that he had a small conversation with Parker, while finalising Hardys deal, and thats it.

 

Where has it ever been said that they had discussions and that the problem has been the money he wants?

Link

So they have had no discussions since camp started. That means, that they have had discussions before hand. So can we stop this foolish notion that there is any reason for this situation other than the blatantly obvious fact that he wants more money and we the team doesn't want to give it to him. Either that or this is the first hold out in history where being a starter or more $ wasn't the central issue and the central stumbling block. Can you name me a single holdout that ended in a contract where the player didn't stay out of camp? Peters and his agent have, to their credit, not conducted a publicity war with the team. The Bills unfortunately have not done the same. You should recognize that the team has a vested interest in getting the public on their side. Try reading some of the team's statements with as critical eye as you have used to assess Peters' actions.

 

And there is this Bransdon has had brief discussions with Parker They used the word "discussions", ie, plural, so that means they have had more than one discussion. Brief, yes, but they have had contact and they have had discussions so can we please stop all the posts about there being nothing but silence from Parker???

 

As for the "small conversation", doesn't that count? I always thought that "no discussion" means no discussion as opposed to "small" discussion. How "large" does the coversation have to be to count? How long does it take for one side to say they want a new deal and the other to say no and then for each to say, "call us when you change your mind"???

 

Of course it is about money. Why else do you think he is holding out? More vacation time? A better dental plan? Why do you think Brandon said that they expect him to honor the committment he made 2 years ago? The "committment" he made is to play 3 more years at his current salary.

[1billsfan]

I think all the little girls crying over Peters should unknot their panties and relax. The guy makes the Pro Bowl as an alternate once and he's now god's gift to football?

 

The answer is always "just pay the man", ain't it? Doesn't matter what the circumstances. Doesn't matter how many years he has left on his deal. Doesn't matter how a player behaves toward his team. Doesn't matter what it might do to your team down the road. Just break out the checkbook and write lots of zeroes. Don't think five minutes into future much less next year.

 

Ding! Another Hot Pocket is served.

 

PTR

 

Jason has been a MODEL Buffalo Bill since he's joined the team. Unlike past NFL loudmouth holdouts, he refuses to take his case to the public. How dare you criticize Peters' behavior. You mean breakout the checkbook and write a ton of zeros for a lousy slacker named Chris Kelsay!? A guy that hasn't done sh_t on this team and NEVER lived up to his much hyped potential! If only the Bills had 53 Jason Peters, a player who wasn't even draft and who's performance shot through the roof to the point where he's WIDELY considered the BEST at his position, they'd have no problem beating down the Pats and the rest of the league! So what do the Bills do? How do they operate? They REWARD averageness and slackers with big huge contracts, yet draw the hard line on the one guy that DESERVES THE MONEY! The ONLY message being sent to the players is that hard work and off the charts performance will get you the SHAFT. I now think that the Bills front office is dumber than their stupid head coach. Why don't you get all angry about Kelsays' slacker behavior on gameday?! That of course doesn't rile you up at all. The Bills did this to themselves, they are the ones who created this "circumstance" by their p_ss poor checkbook decisions.

[Mickey]

Bingo! The imagination is a wonderful thing, no?

 

Personally, while the other 80 guys are working their asses off in the hot summer sun, trying like hell to get this team to the next level, I think Peters is on a beach in Fiji, suckin' on a tuna colada.

 

(See, it works both ways!)

 

GO BILLSSS!!!!

 

19 & 0 baby!!!!!

With the small exception that I have posted links to Brandon's actual statements showing they have had discussions, facts which you choose to ignore. But hey, if it helps unbunch your panties to pretend otherwise, have at it. Because it makes total sense that the Bills have no problem at all paying him millions of dollars more than they would otherwise but simply object to negotiating the terms of the deal with his agent while Peters does what every hold out has ever done, stay at home until the deal is signed. In my view, the Bills are a sharply honed business and in yours, they are a momma upset that sonny boy doesn't call home often enough. Maybe you should switch to thongs?

[nucci]

There has been no silent treatment. Parker and Brandon have discussed Peters. And every hold out that ends in a new contract involves the player not being in camp. His location is not the issue and shouldn't be. The issue is the millions more that he wants this year.

Isn't that the definition of a holdout?? Never heard of a holdout that is in camp.

[The Senator]

With the small exception that I have posted links to Brandon's actual statements showing they have had discussions, facts which you choose to ignore. But hey, if it helps unbunch your panties to pretend otherwise, have at it. Because it makes total sense that the Bills have no problem at all paying him millions of dollars more than they would otherwise but simply object to negotiating the terms of the deal with his agent while Peters does what every hold out has ever done, stay at home until the deal is signed. In my view, the Bills are a sharply honed business and in yours, they are a momma upset that sonny boy doesn't call home often enough. Maybe you should switch to thongs?

Just 'cause you keep saying it, over and over, and over, and over, doesn't make it so. Please post those links again - no one else remembers seeing them.

 

(Save the sarcasm - you're no good at it. How do you know he's at home? Again, the imagination is a wonderful thing.)

[ricojes]

Ok, as my avatar suggests this topic is getting very old...

 

We can continue to speculate until this is resolved, but it's all a guessing game at this point. My guess is that Parker is a busy man and represents many NFL players. He probably told the Bills brass to call when they were serious about negotiating. The Bills do not want to renegotiate the contract this year, hence the hold out. Best case scenario is that Peters either fires Parker or goes against his advice and reports to camp. But with the Bills trying to get Evans and Crowell signed, it's a very long shot that they renew his deal this year whether he is in camp or not.

[Mickey]

Just 'cause you keep saying it, over and over, and over, and over, doesn't make it so. Please post those links again - no one else remembers seeing them.

 

(Save the sarcasm - you're no good at it. How do you know he's at home? Again, the imagination is a wonderful thing./quote]They are posted, yet again, right above. The reference to him staying at home is a generic one meaning he isn't at camp it wasn't meant to be taken literally. Really, try a thong, my wife swears by them.

[Mickey]

Ok, as my avatar suggests this topic is getting very old...

 

We can continue to speculate until this is resolved, but it's all a guessing game at this point. My guess is that Parker is a busy man and represents many NFL players. He probably told the Bills brass to call when they were serious about negotiating. The Bills do not want to renegotiate the contract this year, hence the hold out. Best case scenario is that Peters either fires Parker or goes against his advice and reports to camp. But with the Bills trying to get Evans and Crowell signed, it's a very long shot that they renew his deal this year whether he is in camp or not.

Exactly. Pretty simple. Nothing bizarre, nothing unheard of, no mystery. This problem is caused by two realities, A) Peters is very good and B) the bills don't want to pay him the money he wants when he wants it.