shoveldog Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 After this Sunday's outstanding performance by Willis, I thought it would be intriguing to look back and see just how far this young man has come since his injury. WARNING: Don't watch if you are sqweemish. Willis Injury Clip Travis, I love ya man! But Willis has earned our hearts by coming back from such a horrific injury. Show us the stuff Willis. We're with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 My God, this is the first time I have actually seen this! That's just plain sick. You are right, it is a miracle the guy can actually walk again, muchless play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I might add that it has been said he actually held onto the football on that play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seq004 Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 I might add that it has been said he actually held onto the football on that play 75083[/snapback] That is the most horrific injury to a football player at any level I've ever seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kegtapr Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 That is the most horrific injury to a football player at any level I've ever seen 75086[/snapback] Forget about this guy? Dennis Byrd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoveldog Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 Forget about this guy? Dennis Byrd 75099[/snapback] Yes, Dennis Byrd is another inspiration. I was watching that game. Honestly, it didn't look as serious as it turned out. He did a face plant, was out, then they strapped him down and carted him off the field. From the standpoint of shock value, Willis' injury "looked" much worse. They should both be inspirations to all of us. But, Willis is back playing football for the BILLS! It's amazing to see him out there completing. Go Willis Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Travis, I love ya man! But Willis has earned our hearts by coming back from such a horrific injury. Show us the stuff Willis. We're with you! 75015[/snapback] Part of the problem here is that some folks little brains and little hearts seem to be so limited in that they view their love for a Bill as a zero sum game where either they love WM OR they love WM and rooting for, respecting, valuing them as members of the Bills or loving them (in our fan like way which is great but isn't the real love we and they fell for family and other folk) and they can't love both. This view is unfortunate as it does not seem to match the reality shown most recently in Carolina that a winning team which is RB dependent needs two RBs in this league. There was more than enough glory and reps to go around. Even with the limitations of the cap which restricts a team to paying the big bucks usually to one player per position, even NFL back-up bucks is more money than these players have ever seen and as long as the hold the ego in check they'll do fine and if they play hard and get lucky with injuries they will get an even bigger payoff from being a team guy when their second (or more) contract comes around. Certainly for the Bills, both players are under contract and there is no need to move one or the other until after the season. The reality of how they perform and how their bodies hold up will determine which one to keep and their market value as trade fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Yes, Dennis Byrd is another inspiration. I was watching that game. Honestly, it didn't look as serious as it turned out. He did a face plant, was out, then they strapped him down and carted him off the field. From the standpoint of shock value, Willis' injury "looked" much worse. They should both be inspirations to all of us. But, Willis is back playing football for the BILLS! It's amazing to see him out there completing. Go Willis Go! 75124[/snapback] You want shock value...check out that play where Beebe gets hit up into the air (against the Browns I think), and he comes down...AND BOUNCES...on his head. I still shudder when I see that one. And Don did drop the ball on that one...I think it had something to do with unconsciousness or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Part of the problem here is that some folks little brains and little hearts seem to be so limited in that they view their love for a Bill as a zero sum game where either they love WM OR they love WM and rooting for, respecting, valuing them as members of the Bills or loving them (in our fan like way which is great but isn't the real love we and they fell for family and other folk) and they can't love both. This view is unfortunate as it does not seem to match the reality shown most recently in Carolina that a winning team which is RB dependent needs two RBs in this league. There was more than enough glory and reps to go around. Even with the limitations of the cap which restricts a team to paying the big bucks usually to one player per position, even NFL back-up bucks is more money than these players have ever seen and as long as the hold the ego in check they'll do fine and if they play hard and get lucky with injuries they will get an even bigger payoff from being a team guy when their second (or more) contract comes around. Certainly for the Bills, both players are under contract and there is no need to move one or the other until after the season. The reality of how they perform and how their bodies hold up will determine which one to keep and their market value as trade fodder. 75146[/snapback] Certainly, it is not that simple. If TH (or WM for that matter) blows out his knee, or gets in trouble with the law, his value after the season will be little to nothing, right? Now, Travis has at least some value. The team is 1-4 and has NO first round pick. This is a team with well known needs.....OL, Safety, perhaps a cb, and depth. Imo, the question consists almost entirely of what we caqn get for Travis. Would the example that you cite, Carolina, give us a #2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 That is the most horrific injury to a football player at any level I've ever seen 75086[/snapback] WM's injury was bad, but do any of you remember Napoleon McCallum? That injury was brutal. Dislocated knee, blew out all the ligaments and ruptured an artery. IIRC they almost had to amputate his leg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 Did anyone think Willis had a Flash back? When he was going out in the flat on the same side as the injury, same type of play, he just dropped the ball. Thomas was comming in for the hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 WM's injury was bad, but do any of you remember Napoleon McCallum? That injury was brutal. Dislocated knee, blew out all the ligaments and ruptured an artery. IIRC they almost had to amputate his leg. 75165[/snapback] Sure you don't mean Robert Edwards, in that stupid beach football game Pro-Bowl weekend? It didn't look too bad, until you realized he was sitting on the sand with his leg straight and his foot pointing out sideways...then it was gruesome. He almost lost his leg below the knee. I still haven't seen McGahee's injury. I won't, either. No need to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoveldog Posted October 18, 2004 Author Share Posted October 18, 2004 Part of the problem here is that some folks little brains and little hearts seem to be so limited in that they view their love for a Bill as a zero sum game where either they love WM OR they love WM and rooting for, respecting, valuing them as members of the Bills or loving them (in our fan like way which is great but isn't the real love we and they fell for family and other folk) and they can't love both. This view is unfortunate as it does not seem to match the reality shown most recently in Carolina that a winning team which is RB dependent needs two RBs in this league. There was more than enough glory and reps to go around. Even with the limitations of the cap which restricts a team to paying the big bucks usually to one player per position, even NFL back-up bucks is more money than these players have ever seen and as long as the hold the ego in check they'll do fine and if they play hard and get lucky with injuries they will get an even bigger payoff from being a team guy when their second (or more) contract comes around. Certainly for the Bills, both players are under contract and there is no need to move one or the other until after the season. The reality of how they perform and how their bodies hold up will determine which one to keep and their market value as trade fodder. 75146[/snapback] First, get out of the first grade and learn to write. Without run on sentences! Second, don't get personal with me! However small you feel my mind and heart are, I have a right to express my opinions and share my thoughts on this open forum. Now to address your attacks: I never once said I wanted Travis to go. I agree there are a lot of posts saying Travis sucks, Travis needs to be traded. Did you read that in my post? NO! All I said was I think Willis is an inspiration and that it is a miracle that he can walk, let alone play football. I showed people a clip so they could see the dramatic progress this young man has made coming back from a truely horrific injury. I'm rooting for him as I believe many Bills Fans are. I don't hold any ill will toward Travis. He is a good solid running back. Do I feel they can both be effective this season? You bet! But, I'm rooting for Willis. That, chucklehead, is my right as an American and as a Bills Fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drifter Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 WM's injury was bad, but do any of you remember Napoleon McCallum? That injury was brutal. Dislocated knee, blew out all the ligaments and ruptured an artery. IIRC they almost had to amputate his leg. 75165[/snapback] I remember that play well. The lower half of his leg was just dangling in the air. That and Joe Thiesman are the nastiest plays I have seen in Football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted October 18, 2004 Share Posted October 18, 2004 First, get out of the first grade and learn to write. Without run on sentences! Second, don't get personal with me! However small you feel my mind and heart are, I have a right to express my opinions and share my thoughts on this open forum. Now to address your attacks: I never once said I wanted Travis to go. I agree there are a lot of posts saying Travis sucks, Travis needs to be traded. Did you read that in my post? NO! All I said was I think Willis is an inspiration and that it is a miracle that he can walk, let alone play football. I showed people a clip so they could see the dramatic progress this young man has made coming back from a truely horrific injury. I'm rooting for him as I believe many Bills Fans are. I don't hold any ill will toward Travis. He is a good solid running back. Do I feel they can both be effective this season? You bet! But, I'm rooting for Willis. That, chucklehead, is my right as an American and as a Bills Fan! 75188[/snapback] Sorry for insulting you as I did not mean to since I agree with your sentiments actually and I think your comments were wholely appropriate. I saw no need to apologize to you as I agree with you and was prompted to post because many posters do not share your sentiments. You are correct to point out that you said the exact opposite of anything which shows a limit on feeling good about both TH and WM because that is how I read your post. You are also correct to question my writing if it was so poor that you interpreted as an attack on your point of view which I agree with and celebrate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike32282 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 I might add that it has been said he actually held onto the football on that play 75083[/snapback] I just watched the video and he did hold onto the ball. He had the ball in his right hand the whole entire time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoveldog Posted October 19, 2004 Author Share Posted October 19, 2004 Sorry for insulting you as I did not mean to since I agree with your sentiments actually and I think your comments were wholely appropriate. I saw no need to apologize to you as I agree with you and was prompted to post because many posters do not share your sentiments. You are correct to point out that you said the exact opposite of anything which shows a limit on feeling good about both TH and WM because that is how I read your post. You are also correct to question my writing if it was so poor that you interpreted as an attack on your point of view which I agree with and celebrate. 75212[/snapback] Friends? Thanks for the apology. I take back my harsh words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jester43 Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 i was teaching about skeletal and connective tissue today in my class and the subject of willis came up...when i explained to the kids which ligaments were torn on my little knee model, and then described how his leg bent like an ostrich leg...they were "EWWWWWW"-ing to beat the band. anyway.. i thought it was SO UNNECESSARY for cbs to show that play during the broadcast yesterday. i DO get squeamish at stevestojan like that...i also saw the theisman play and i will never forget it. and yeah, when arteries are damaged and blood flow gets cut off to the lower leg, amputation is often the consequesnce...i once met an olympic-trials hurdler who landed funny during a hurdle workout. he sustained a compound fracture, severed an artery, and by the time they got him stablized the infection had sent in....good bye lower leg ...he's a world class paralympic swimmer now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 Joe Theisman had a pretty bad compound fracture of his leg once. I think the bone actually protruded through the skin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted October 19, 2004 Share Posted October 19, 2004 That is the most horrific injury to a football player at any level I've ever seen 75086[/snapback] Joe Theisman's injury was pretty bad. Joe T didn't come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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