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When is comes to investing hindsight is always 20/20.

 

It's still a good analysis. The big traders at most banks get whatever they want because of the amount of money they generate during the good times.

[WellDressed]

I'm not saying the world is going to stop rotating, but seriously, don't you see the storm clouds on the horizon? We may get lucky and it will pass, but what if it hits?

 

Do you honestly want to be around when a cup of coffee costs over $25.00?? Personally, I am checking out of that garbage pit if it hits.

[Dwight Drane]

I will no longer post specifics, but I am going to refer to my post in early March on Iran speculation.

Let's just say, I hope we have a full football season.

 

Everyone stay sharp, please.

 

 

 

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Here is the problem, our own economic meltdown may change the way other countries think. Instead of the Arabs and China trying to prop up our dollar, they may sense that we are going to hit "reset" on our debt levels and beat us to the punch. For anyone that doubted the real mess that is going on behind the scenes, this past week should clarify things. We would have lost one of our major banks today, and with it, $1 trillion in swaps would have gone to zero. There is NO market for most of the debt out there. It is up to the Fed to print money and take on all the garbage. This week alone they have fesssed up to hundreds of billions in monopoly money, and there is plenty going on through proxies as well. FDIC, the agency that is supposed to insure our banks, is floating packages of loans outside the banking sector in hopes of saving some of these institutions. In the best case scenario, this is going to cause serious inflation to our economy as a whole, minus housing, and keep oil flying high. In the worst case, the US is going to go bankrupt.

 

If I am in OPEC, I take Hugo Chavez's advice and flip to Euros. If I am China....what would ordinarily look like a death wish could be a brilliant move. I make an agreement with Iran and Russia, sell my dollars, stop sending goods to the US, and watch the fun begin. At the same time, Iran and Syria with bankroll from Russian arsenal, go into Israel from north and south with Hamas and Hezbullah. The US gets pulled into a full scale battle and borders in the region collapse. US military is stretched to the limits, while back home the recession is turning into a depression, and we have to try and manufacture ourselves out of it. With limited oil, and limited resources, we are in tough. China chokes off it's growth, and citizens are in trouble, but thanks to US profits going straight into the military the past 15 years, China takes Taiwan back. There is nothing the US can do now to help without an end game taking place. China now has access to cheap oil, the Muslims take out most of Israel, and with the US obliterated economically and stretched militarily, Putin can now reach back into Europe.

 

Condi Rice was in the Middle East to tell Syria that we have a few nukes trained on Damascus if they get any funny ideas about going into Israel. Cheney was in Oman to shore up defense plans to keep the canal open and visited Saudi Arabia to say "pump it up!" I have a funny feeling the next 18 or so months are going to be the craziest times my generation has ever seen. Nobody is going to claim boredom. Hopefully the scenario I pose is just a nightmare that never happens, but the fact that Bush did a little tap dance routine a few weeks ago on the front lawn of the White House while waiting for John McCain shows just how punch drunk he is. As always, smok'em if you got'em.

[John Adams]

Here is the problem, our own economic meltdown may change the way other countries think. Instead of the Arabs and China trying to prop up our dollar, they may sense that we are going to hit "reset" on our debt levels and beat us to the punch. For anyone that doubted the real mess that is going on behind the scenes, this past week should clarify things. We would have lost one of our major banks today, and with it, $1 trillion in swaps would have gone to zero. There is NO market for most of the debt out there. It is up to the Fed to print money and take on all the garbage. This week alone they have fesssed up to hundreds of billions in monopoly money, and there is plenty going on through proxies as well. FDIC, the agency that is supposed to insure our banks, is floating packages of loans outside the banking sector in hopes of saving some of these institutions. In the best case scenario, this is going to cause serious inflation to our economy as a whole, minus housing, and keep oil flying high. In the worst case, the US is going to go bankrupt.

 

If I am in OPEC, I take Hugo Chavez's advice and flip to Euros. If I am China....what would ordinarily look like a death wish could be a brilliant move. I make an agreement with Iran and Russia, sell my dollars, stop sending goods to the US, and watch the fun begin. At the same time, Iran and Syria with bankroll from Russian arsenal, go into Israel from north and south with Hamas and Hezbullah. The US gets pulled into a full scale battle and borders in the region collapse. US military is stretched to the limits, while back home the recession is turning into a depression, and we have to try and manufacture ourselves out of it. With limited oil, and limited resources, we are in tough. China chokes off it's growth, and citizens are in trouble, but thanks to US profits going straight into the military the past 15 years, China takes Taiwan back. There is nothing the US can do now to help without an end game taking place. China now has access to cheap oil, the Muslims take out most of Israel, and with the US obliterated economically and stretched militarily, Putin can now reach back into Europe.

 

So if by 9/15/09, the following haven't happened, can we call you a dumb douche?

 

(1) China will sell all their US dollars.

(2) Stop exporting all goods to the US.

(3) Oil is going to keep going up through 9/15/09 (it's up $8/barrel since your post, so it's up 7% so far).

(4) Arab countries are going to sell their US dollars.

(5) Iran and Syria join forces to attack Israel. (US gets pulled into this.)

(6) China takes over Taiwan.

(7) China makes some unilateral agreement with Iran and Russia to get oil.

 

I just want to get it right Nostradamus. The next year can't pass quickly enough.

[Dwight Drane]

So if by 9/15/09, the following haven't happened, can we call you a dumb douche?

 

(1) China will sell all their US dollars.

(2) Stop exporting all goods to the US.

(3) Oil is going to keep going up through 9/15/09 (it's up $8/barrel since your post, so it's up 7% so far).

(4) Arab countries are going to sell their US dollars.

(5) Iran and Syria join forces to attack Israel. (US gets pulled into this.)

(6) China takes over Taiwan.

(7) China makes some unilateral agreement with Iran and Russia to get oil.

 

I just want to get it right Nostradamus. The next year can't pass quickly enough.

 

You can call me a dumb douche right now. It is not Godless, bitter, and sly people that I have posted for over the past year. It is to those that have a brain and are guided by a spirit higher on the scale than Jim Beam.

 

Nostradamus didn't predict that this was going to happen. Someone else did. For all the quoting of academia that goes on in this forum, it is amazing that nobody has the time to read a few hundred pages of scripture and understand what times we are in.

[GG]

You can call me a dumb douche right now. It is not Godless, bitter, and sly people that I have posted for over the past year. It is to those that have a brain and are guided by a spirit higher on the scale than Jim Beam.

 

Nostradamus didn't predict that this was going to happen. Someone else did. For all the quoting of academia that goes on in this forum, it is amazing that nobody has the time to read a few hundred pages of scripture and understand what times we are in.

 

So are you saying that failed risk management in the rise of the global securitization market is all part of Armageddon?

[Dwight Drane]

Oh my !@#$ing god! You're predictions are Bible-based? There's a source. If you're in charge of anything anywhere, I have advice for SDJarhead: Buy. More. Silver.

 

Question: Can you specify the dates when this stuff is happening with footnotes to the Bible? I am particularly curious where it discusses the Sino-Soviet trade agreement that you've predicted.

 

My predictions aren't bible based to begin with. My original warnings on the old server came about because I was seeing the financial backdrop of the country from many different firsthand sources. I have always been an investing contrarian and value player, but because of the signals that started over a year ago, and just a bit of common sense, this time IS DIFFERENT.

 

As events started to become public knowledge, and my worst fears started becoming reality, I then projected out what I felt could be the next 3 steps. At the time they looked to be reaches, but you have to project and take action with one golden rule....human nature is self-serving and outright evil when weaknesses in themselves or others present themselves. Look at the vileness of this meaningless message board. Now project that onto the scene of control of finance, resources and military.

 

In the Bible, Jesus says we won't know the exact hour he will return, but he listed the signs that would be taking place. When you look at key prophetic chapters of the bible....Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel and the lovely Revelation....this looks to be go-time. While there is no strict economic link between China and Russia in the Bible, the short course of events that comprise the end times have them both coming against Israel. Revelation 16 talks of the 200 million man army out of the east. Before that Ezekiel 38-39 talk of Gog/Magog...and with the lands listed is an attack on Israel from Russia and Iran with aid from Turkey. Before that happens, a war involving Syria and Israel causes Damascus to no longer be a city...this is in Isaiah 17. Add to this, Isreal is supposed to sign a peace deal that divides land, there will be an increase in weather events and natural disasters, we are supposed to go to a global economy with the antichrist rising out of a renewed Roman empire, New Babylon which all merchants do business with and enjoy riches, burns down in 1 hour.....and this will all go down in a 7 year period or so with the peak of it happening after 3 1/2 years when the antichrist reveals himself as a false god.

 

This past week was just another major sign in my view. Russia is back in business it looks like. As the battles unfolded, Turkey became more open and vocal about their slipping from the US sphere of influence and backed Russia. That is convieneint considering if Russia continues to hold Georgia which is an Israeli supported state with big oil stakes, and Turkey is on their side, they just tick-tack-toed their way with a straight path to Israel, and a reason to begrudge Israel as if Iran and Russia's current alliance isn't scary enough.

 

Israel just nuked Syria's nuclear facility not long ago.

 

Iran wants to bring in the Hidden Imam and has said they will wipe Israel off the map

 

The US has 3/4 of their Navy over there right now and the government has commissioned the two biggest canned and dehydrated foor producers in the world to produce strictly for them since the beginning of this year. We are talking, food good for 30 years type of cans. These companies initially delayed public orders for a few weeks, then months, now said they are out of stock well into next year because of a "big order".

 

The thing that ties it all together is the US economy and the historical look into what happens to Empires when they reach the end of their usefull life. If we are no longer the unquestioned force in the world, we are going to get piled on as 90% of the world will be happy to see us go in the emotional sense, even if it is bad for business. How happy was everyone when the Patriots lost this year? Why was that?

 

I would just say that anyone who pays attention to current events and understands what is told in the bible has to at the very least say "well, this is freaky".

 

If anyone feels their eyes would bleed out if they picked up a bible, check out author Joel Rosenberg and his series of thriller novels that use bible prophecy as the footprint, but I hear they might be tolerable to the Higgs-boson and UT Philosophy posters here.

[Lemur King]

In the Bible, Jesus says we won't know the exact hour he will return, but he listed the signs that would be taking place. When you look at key prophetic chapters of the bible....Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel and the lovely Revelation....this looks to be go-time. While there is no strict economic link between China and Russia in the Bible, the short course of events that comprise the end times have them both coming against Israel. Revelation 16 talks of the 200 million man army out of the east. Before that Ezekiel 38-39 talk of Gog/Magog...and with the lands listed is an attack on Israel from Russia and Iran with aid from Turkey. Before that happens, a war involving Syria and Israel causes Damascus to no longer be a city...this is in Isaiah 17. Add to this, Isreal is supposed to sign a peace deal that divides land, there will be an increase in weather events and natural disasters, we are supposed to go to a global economy with the antichrist rising out of a renewed Roman empire, New Babylon which all merchants do business with and enjoy riches, burns down in 1 hour.....and this will all go down in a 7 year period or so with the peak of it happening after 3 1/2 years when the antichrist reveals himself as a false god.

...

I would just say that anyone who pays attention to current events and understands what is told in the bible has to at the very least say "well, this is freaky".

 

If anyone feels their eyes would bleed out if they picked up a bible, check out author Joel Rosenberg and his series of thriller novels that use bible prophecy as the footprint, but I hear they might be tolerable to the Higgs-boson and UT Philosophy posters here.

 

That was fun. I just reread Revelation 16 (King James). I'm having trouble finding the 200 million man army from the East. (For the record, it would be logistically impossible for 200 million people, let alone an army, to move from China to Israel. And once they got to Israrel, they wouldn't even fit in the country, but whatever. Is this the part where the Bible is allowed to have poetic license?)

 

http://www.bartleby.com/108/66/16.html

 

I'm going to skip the rest of researching your predictions Nostradamus, but thanks for at least footnoting your sources. That you think your book (the Bible) is more correct than any other religion's book/prophecy is cute. Billy hopes Santa brings him GI Joe with the Kung-Fu grip too.

 

Please don't breed.

[Chilly]

If anyone feels their eyes would bleed out if they picked up a bible, check out author Joel Rosenberg and his series of thriller novels that use bible prophecy as the footprint, but I hear they might be tolerable to the Higgs-boson and UT Philosophy posters here.

 

What the hell does UT have to do with this?

[GG]

What the hell does UT have to do with this?

 

It's the new ground zero, man.

[Lemur King]

What the hell does UT have to do with this?

 

Someone hasn't been reading their Bible.

[DC Tom]

Israel just nuked Syria's nuclear facility not long ago.

 

What?

 

If anyone feels their eyes would bleed out if they picked up a bible, check out author Joel Rosenberg and his series of thriller novels that use bible prophecy as the footprint, but I hear they might be tolerable to the Higgs-boson and UT Philosophy posters here.

 

Or, if you prefer, you could read Greg Bear's "Forge of God", which explains in great detail how space aliens are going blow up the planet with a giant bomb at the Earth's core. Interestingly, while he doesn't mention the current real estate crisis in his book, aliens blowing up the entire planet would probably depress real estate prices, so we're clearly entering that time. Since we're now quoting fiction writers as credible sources for Armageddon...

[Lemur King]

Tom Cruise has a message for DC Tom: "Don't even come near me. You're an SP and I will not even deal with you."

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_Person

 

[Ramius]

My predictions aren't bible based to begin with. My original warnings on the old server came about because I was seeing the financial backdrop of the country from many different firsthand sources. I have always been an investing contrarian and value player, but because of the signals that started over a year ago, and just a bit of common sense, this time IS DIFFERENT.

 

As events started to become public knowledge, and my worst fears started becoming reality, I then projected out what I felt could be the next 3 steps. At the time they looked to be reaches, but you have to project and take action with one golden rule....human nature is self-serving and outright evil when weaknesses in themselves or others present themselves. Look at the vileness of this meaningless message board. Now project that onto the scene of control of finance, resources and military.

 

In the Bible, Jesus says we won't know the exact hour he will return, but he listed the signs that would be taking place. When you look at key prophetic chapters of the bible....Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel and the lovely Revelation....this looks to be go-time. While there is no strict economic link between China and Russia in the Bible, the short course of events that comprise the end times have them both coming against Israel. Revelation 16 talks of the 200 million man army out of the east. Before that Ezekiel 38-39 talk of Gog/Magog...and with the lands listed is an attack on Israel from Russia and Iran with aid from Turkey. Before that happens, a war involving Syria and Israel causes Damascus to no longer be a city...this is in Isaiah 17. Add to this, Isreal is supposed to sign a peace deal that divides land, there will be an increase in weather events and natural disasters, we are supposed to go to a global economy with the antichrist rising out of a renewed Roman empire, New Babylon which all merchants do business with and enjoy riches, burns down in 1 hour.....and this will all go down in a 7 year period or so with the peak of it happening after 3 1/2 years when the antichrist reveals himself as a false god.

 

This past week was just another major sign in my view. Russia is back in business it looks like. As the battles unfolded, Turkey became more open and vocal about their slipping from the US sphere of influence and backed Russia. That is convieneint considering if Russia continues to hold Georgia which is an Israeli supported state with big oil stakes, and Turkey is on their side, they just tick-tack-toed their way with a straight path to Israel, and a reason to begrudge Israel as if Iran and Russia's current alliance isn't scary enough.

 

Israel just nuked Syria's nuclear facility not long ago.

 

Iran wants to bring in the Hidden Imam and has said they will wipe Israel off the map

 

The US has 3/4 of their Navy over there right now and the government has commissioned the two biggest canned and dehydrated foor producers in the world to produce strictly for them since the beginning of this year. We are talking, food good for 30 years type of cans. These companies initially delayed public orders for a few weeks, then months, now said they are out of stock well into next year because of a "big order".

 

The thing that ties it all together is the US economy and the historical look into what happens to Empires when they reach the end of their usefull life. If we are no longer the unquestioned force in the world, we are going to get piled on as 90% of the world will be happy to see us go in the emotional sense, even if it is bad for business. How happy was everyone when the Patriots lost this year? Why was that?

 

I would just say that anyone who pays attention to current events and understands what is told in the bible has to at the very least say "well, this is freaky".

 

If anyone feels their eyes would bleed out if they picked up a bible, check out author Joel Rosenberg and his series of thriller novels that use bible prophecy as the footprint, but I hear they might be tolerable to the Higgs-boson and UT Philosophy posters here.

 

So this time is different than the dozen or so other times in the past 2000 years when the end times were upon the world?

 

I'm guessing your next line will be that James Hardy is the 4th horseman.

[Dwight Drane]

So this time is different than the dozen or so other times in the past 2000 years when the end times were upon the world?

 

I'm guessing your next line will be that James Hardy is the 4th horseman.

 

I never said Hardy was evil, just that he was stupid and potentially has a personality disorder. We bring in a quality veteran WR/TE by week 3.

 

And yes, this time is different because in the past few years we have multiple exact matches that happened or are on the verge of happening.

 

Even if you want to keep religion out of it, our parabolic rise in technology the past few decades is a signal that we are close to the end. Some scientists believe in the Singularity. Pretty much a point where computers jump ahead of us and we start to become part computer. I say that if you graph time on the horizontal axis and you quantitate technology on the vertical axis, soon we will no longer advance in time. The scientists feel time won't exist because we can store our thoughts on computers and just clone bodies. I feel that time will no longer exist because the final battle happens. One of us has to be right, that is unless we have a war so horrible that our technology goes back to the stone age and we develop from a past point on the graph, which pretty much is the "final battle".

 

I have never been a fan of organized religion and I still am not. There is a difference though in believing and yielding to a higher power than man. And to be strengthened by the spirit.

 

I am not saying this to win any debate, because it is impossible. I'd rather be called a name or 20 now for one person to understand later what I was trying to convey. I'm not saying light your hair on fire and run through the streets in a panic, I'm just saying that the switch has been thrown, and there isn't much time for people to get their priorities in order.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I never said Hardy was evil, just that he was stupid and potentially has a personality disorder. We bring in a quality veteran WR/TE by week 3.

 

And yes, this time is different because in the past few years we have multiple exact matches that happened or are on the verge of happening.

 

Even if you want to keep religion out of it, our parabolic rise in technology the past few decades is a signal that we are close to the end. Some scientists believe in the Singularity. Pretty much a point where computers jump ahead of us and we start to become part computer. I say that if you graph time on the horizontal axis and you quantitate technology on the vertical axis, soon we will no longer advance in time. The scientists feel time won't exist because we can store our thoughts on computers and just clone bodies. I feel that time will no longer exist because the final battle happens. One of us has to be right, that is unless we have a war so horrible that our technology goes back to the stone age and we develop from a past point on the graph, which pretty much is the "final battle".

 

I have never been a fan of organized religion and I still am not. There is a difference though in believing and yielding to a higher power than man. And to be strengthened by the spirit.

 

I am not saying this to win any debate, because it is impossible. I'd rather be called a name or 20 now for one person to understand later what I was trying to convey. I'm not saying light your hair on fire and run through the streets in a panic, I'm just saying that the switch has been thrown, and there isn't much time for people to get their priorities in order.

 

You sound like my mother. EVERYTHING is a sign of the end. Jesus people are all the same.

 

I'll believe it when the billions of Chrstians disappear.

[Dwight Drane]

You sound like my mother. EVERYTHING is a sign of the end. Jesus people are all the same.

 

I'll believe it when the billions of Chrstians disappear.

 

When they rename the Hail Mary, the Hail Hawking, then I'll believe.

[John Adams]

And yes, this time is different because in the past few years we have multiple exact matches that happened or are on the verge of happening.

 

[star Trek and Isaac Asimov]

 

I am not saying this to win any debate, because it is impossible. I'd rather be called a name or 20 now for one person to understand later what I was trying to convey. I'm not saying light your hair on fire and run through the streets in a panic, I'm just saying that the switch has been thrown, and there isn't much time for people to get their priorities in order.

 

Your mom wants me to convey this message, "You're not a prophet and she wants you out of the basement."

[GG]

In the Bible, Jesus says we won't know the exact hour he will return, but he listed the signs that would be taking place. When you look at key prophetic chapters of the bible....Daniel, Isaiah, Ezekiel and the lovely Revelation....this looks to be go-time. While there is no strict economic link between China and Russia in the Bible, the short course of events that comprise the end times have them both coming against Israel. Revelation 16 talks of the 200 million man army out of the east. Before that Ezekiel 38-39 talk of Gog/Magog...and with the lands listed is an attack on Israel from Russia and Iran with aid from Turkey. Before that happens, a war involving Syria and Israel causes Damascus to no longer be a city...this is in Isaiah 17. Add to this, Isreal is supposed to sign a peace deal that divides land, there will be an increase in weather events and natural disasters, we are supposed to go to a global economy with the antichrist rising out of a renewed Roman empire, New Babylon which all merchants do business with and enjoy riches, burns down in 1 hour.....and this will all go down in a 7 year period or so with the peak of it happening after 3 1/2 years when the antichrist reveals himself as a false god.

 

Just for kicks, why is 2008 a better progeny for end of times than 1967? After all, it should be easy for you to say why it's worse now, compared to a real fight between Israel & Syria (actually backed by Russia), a real alliance between Russia & China and their proxies waging a war against an overstretched US. Or how is it different than 1914, 1941 when events were also aligned for the coming of Armageddon?

 

And remember the prophecy of what will happen when all the planets are aligned? Scary stuff, man.

[Booster4324]

You sound like my mother. EVERYTHING is a sign of the end. Jesus people are all the same.

 

I'll believe it when the billions of Chrstians disappear.

 

I am not agreeing, but by then it will be too late. At least according to the mythos.