Chilly Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Waahhhhhh, Waahhhhhhh, Whine, Whine - Huffington comes to the realization that her boy is just another politician. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Did Arianna ever stop to think that it wasn't the move to the center that has derailed the Dems the past several elections but maybe it's because a majority (slim but a majority nonetheless) of Americans are not "progressive"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Did Arianna ever stop to think that it wasn't the move to the center that has derailed the Dems the past several elections but maybe it's because a majority (slim but a majority nonetheless) of Americans are not "progressive"? I think 75% of us want "progress", but we choose to use the literal definition of the word, because words are supposed to mean what they say in the USA. Progress means "get better". Progress doesn't mean "get closer to socialism in all things, regardless if it makes things worse" or "why can't we be more like Europe?". Also, you gotta love her calling the middle stupid, again, explicitly in the last line, and implying it throughout the article. What a shocker. "Pulling it off the shelf and replacing it with a political product geared to pleasing America's vacillating swing voters -- the ones who will be most susceptible to the fear-mongering avalanche that has already begun -- would be a fatal blunder. Realpolitik is one thing. Realstupidpolitik is quite another." And they wonder why we don't trust them to think rationally and not ideologically. They just can't seem to grasp why they lose elections when they try to depend on the middle to win. Somehow I think calling those of us in the middle stupid has something to do with that. They do it so often, they must believe that we are really that dumb. That world view is fundamentally flawed, yet they chose to blame us instead of themselves for their lack of success in convincing us that they know what they are doing? Now that's stupid, but at least they are being consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Clarifying his position on NAFTA? - Check Clarifying his position on spying bill? - Check Clarifying his position on troop withdrawal? - Check Clarifying his position on faith-based initiatives? - Check Retaining Gates as Sec of Def? - Check Soros' head must be spinning right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 He's flip-flopped so much, I think I'm gonna start calling the messiah "The Mexican Jumping Bean"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Jarhead Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Wouldn't he be "The Muslim Jumping Bean"? At least according to VA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 The Flip-Flop Express: * McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20... * McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/18/mccains-offsho... * McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15781.htm... * McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.) http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15863.htm... * McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/10/mccain-flips-o... * McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15825.htm... * He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion,he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.” http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15864.htm... * McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite. http://www.americablog.com/2008/06/now-mccain-is-flip-f... * McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20... * McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite. http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/may/28/mccains-abo... / * McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15617.htm... * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15557.htm... * McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15564.htm... * He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15573.htm... * McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/20/mccains-97-lob... * He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15633.htm... * McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15699.htm... *McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a“‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded.Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.” http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14761.htm... * McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/mccain-... * McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14818.htm... *In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15033.htm... * McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15337.htm... * McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15370.htm... * McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15358.htm... * McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/19/mccain-economy-bloo... / * McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/06/mccain-earmark / * McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/21/hagee-flip-flop / *McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting“irresponsibly.”His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15176.htm... * McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16mccain.... * In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/10/emtimeem-has-m... * McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/31/mccain-... / * McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/oct/31/mccain-... / * On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/14447.htm... *In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving“feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9658.html * McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.” http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral... *McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as“a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.”In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.” http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/mccain-greatest-cri... / * McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310003 to saying the exact opposite.http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/19/mccain-abortion / * McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed. http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/02/mcc... * McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6988.html * McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/6731.html * On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/us/politics/03mccain.... *In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1880630&page=1 * McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation. http://www.nysun.com/national/campaign-finance-effort-r... / * McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20070115/pl_usnw/dnc__mcca... * McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8313.html * McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15637887 / * McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag. http://mediamatters.org/items/200610310003 * McCain decided in2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/19/mccain-kissinger / * McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and acorrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/19/mccain-kissinger / * McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20... * McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago. http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/8066.html * And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/19/mccain-abortion/ http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/15924.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 pBills nice post. I really think McCain is losing his mind, and basically would be like Reagan in his second term as a puppet. On top of his flip-flopping, his health is a real concern, especially with new bandages on him in different spots every time I see him speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 pBills nice post. I really think McCain is losing his mind, and basically would be like Reagan in his second term as a puppet. On top of his flip-flopping, his health is a real concern, especially with new bandages on him in different spots every time I see him speak. Except it's not his post. It's a blog entry that he sorta re-wrote as his own with the link at the bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted July 3, 2008 Author Share Posted July 3, 2008 pBills nice post. I really think McCain is losing his mind, and basically would be like Reagan in his second term as a puppet. On top of his flip-flopping, his health is a real concern, especially with new bandages on him in different spots every time I see him speak. McCain's age could be the greatest asset of either of these two turds. In 4 years, we'll get to go through the pricess again, instead of having an incumbent on one side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 pBills nice post. I really think McCain is losing his mind, and basically would be like Reagan in his second term as a puppet. On top of his flip-flopping, his health is a real concern, especially with new bandages on him in different spots every time I see him speak. And you know this how? You were born in 84 right? You remembering him personally at your age is pretty slick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Except it's not his post. It's a blog entry that he sorta re-wrote as his own with the link at the bottom. Actually... no re-writing and never claimed as my own. People were blasting Obama about flip-flopping so I simply googled for McCain's flip-flops. The very last link is just another one I wanted to add. Very simple. Try google. It's what the kids are doing. Thanks for trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Actually... no re-writing and never claimed as my own. People were blasting Obama about flip-flopping so I simply googled for McCain's flip-flops. The very last link is just another one I wanted to add. Very simple. Try google. It's what the kids are doing. Thanks for trying. To repeat for the comprehension challenged. McCain's old stances & changes of heart are not new news. In fact, it's the main thing that scares away the core conservative Republican base. That's why no one is talking about it - because it's a given in his campaign and history. Obama, as an agent of change, however .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 And you know this how? You were born in 84 right? You remembering him personally at your age is pretty slick. That's what his lib heroes told him in college. It must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacka Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Justnzane. I'm old enough to be your father, you snot-nose rug rat. Go live some life first. Also, get rid of the geeky picture in your profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNRed Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Actually... no re-writing and never claimed as my own. People were blasting Obama about flip-flopping so I simply googled for McCain's flip-flops. The very last link is just another one I wanted to add. Very simple. Try google. It's what the kids are doing. Thanks for trying. I just tried to Google "ANWAR" and all I got were your posts on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erynthered Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I just tried to Google "ANWAR" and all I got were your posts on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Jarhead Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 There's WAR in ANWAR...Therefore he's against it. He's a deep thinker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 To repeat for the comprehension challenged. McCain's old stances & changes of heart are not new news. In fact, it's the main thing that scares away the core conservative Republican base. That's why no one is talking about it - because it's a given in his campaign and history. Obama, as an agent of change, however .... Believe me I understand your overplayed point. If people can challenge Obama, then McCain should be challenged as well. No matter what their messaging is (ie: Obama = Agent of Change..), BOTH of them are running to be President. One should not get a free pass because he's been playing the flip-flop roll for decades. If anything he should be scolded for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I just tried to Google "ANWAR" and all I got were your posts on it. So the best you have is to bring back one of my posts? Quite sad. And I guess google.com is to tough for you. Acronym Definition ANWAR Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge From: http://www.anwr.org/ Geologists believe that vast oil reserves lie beneath Alaska's 19-million-acre Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, Anwar for short,. ANWAR Alaska: Is Drilling For Oil In This Wildlife Refuge The Answer? For those who are not aware, the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWAR) in Alaska is said to hold the largest undiscovered oil reserve in North America, and maybe even the world. We have known about the oil in ANWAR for a long time, but thanks to campaigning from environmentalists, the land has been untouched. It is estimated that the potential for recoverable oil in ANWAR would range in the multiple billions of barrels, along with trillions of cubic feet of natural gas, according to Forbes. Arctic National Wildlife Refuge Facts about ANWR the oil companies don't want you to know. The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) (ANWAR) is a politically hot topic right now, the oil companies, and some bought-and-paid-for politicians, want everyone to believe that by drilling in ANWR gasoline prices will drop immediately. They will, if you consider 2 cents in 14 years immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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