Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 If I had a million dollars I'd buy us a D-End (Jason Taylor). Shall we upgrade or stand pat? Cotton, exciting and new Come aboard, Cotton is expecting you! Cotton, life's sweetest reward Let it flow, it floats back to you. Cotton's Boat soon will be making another run Old Cotton promises something for everyone Set a course for adventure Your mind on a new romance
Stl Bills Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 If I had a million dollars I'd buy us a D-End (Jason Taylor). Shall we upgrade or stand pat? Cotton, exciting and new Come aboard, Cotton is expecting you! Cotton, life's sweetest reward Let it flow, it floats back to you. Cotton's Boat soon will be making another run Old Cotton promises something for everyone Set a course for adventure Your mind on a new romance BOO THIS MAN! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
nucci Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 If I had a million dollars I'd buy us a D-End (Jason Taylor). Shall we upgrade or stand pat? Cotton, exciting and new Come aboard, Cotton is expecting you! Cotton, life's sweetest reward Let it flow, it floats back to you. Cotton's Boat soon will be making another run Old Cotton promises something for everyone Set a course for adventure Your mind on a new romance
Dr. Trooth Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 WHY? You have 3 damn good ones Plus Spencer Johnson & the kid out of VT. If you know even the slightest bit about the Bills defense and their scheme, you wouldn't have thrown your comment out. So, dude... you need to bone up on not just your football knowledge in general, but your Bills football as well. The effectivness of any DE is only as good as what's in the middle and around them. If the Bills middle has been solidified with the addition of Stoud and Johnson, then Denny, Schobel, Kelsay will have a teriffic season. On a side note..... no position is an "island" by themselves. Stick Champ Bailey on a receiver without having an adequate pass rush and he'll get toasted 9 out of 10 times. Plug in Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger as your QB, and without a running game or protection, they'll perform miserably.
Beerball Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 If I had a million dollars I'd buy us a D-End (Jason Taylor). Shall we upgrade or stand pat? Cotton, exciting and new Come aboard, Cotton is expecting you! Cotton, life's sweetest reward Let it flow, it floats back to you. Cotton's Boat soon will be making another run Old Cotton promises something for everyone Set a course for adventure Your mind on a new romance Try Pinball Wizzard next. I think you'll really be able to do something special with that one.
cody Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 I think Jason Taylor would cost more than 1 mill, even for a short term lease, especially if you buy. If I had a million $ to spend on the Bills, I'd by a parking lot outside of New England’s stadium. Then I’d call it: Park At The Super Special Ultimate Car Keeper
San-O Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 WHY? You have 3 damn good ones Plus Spencer Johnson & the kid out of VT. If you know even the slightest bit about the Bills defense and their scheme, you wouldn't have thrown your comment out. So, dude... you need to bone up on not just your football knowledge in general, but your Bills football as well. The effectivness of any DE is only as good as what's in the middle and around them. If the Bills middle has been solidified with the addition of Stoud and Johnson, then Denny, Schobel, Kelsay will have a teriffic season. On a side note..... no position is an "island" by themselves. Stick Champ Bailey on a receiver without having an adequate pass rush and he'll get toasted 9 out of 10 times. Plug in Carson Palmer or Ben Roethlisberger as your QB, and without a running game or protection, they'll perform miserably. Schobel doesn't get doubled that I recall, and basically disppears against better L tackles. He'll benfit from an improved D tackle situation, but what DE player woundn't? In addition, he'll be 31 I believe at the start of the season, and is vastly overpaid IMO.
Ramius Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 Schobel doesn't get doubled that I recall, and basically disppears against better R tackles. He'll benfit from an improved D tacklesituation, but what DE player woundn't? In addition, he'll be 31 I believe at the start of the season, and is vastly overpaid IMO. Funny how you claim schobel disappears against better RT's when schobel normally lines up on the right side of our D, meaning he's facing the oppostion's LT.
MattyT Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 Jason Taylor would rather be on a chorus line rather than a defensive line.
San-O Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 Funny how you claim schobel disappears against better RT's when schobel normally lines up on the right side of our D, meaning he's facing the oppostion's LT. See what I mean? He already disappeared! I have corrected, sorry. Do you think that he doesn't disappear?
Ramius Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 See what I mean? He already disappeared! I have corrected, sorry. Do you think that he doesn't disappear? Compared to whom? Lots of DE's "disappear" against good tackles. Thats why those guys are "good" tackles. Schobel averages about 10 sacks per season in his career, which isnt too shabby by any standards. The fact that he's 31 may be a bit of a concern, but theres no reason why he doesnt have 4-5 more good season left in him. And, gien the quality of a DE he is, and comparing his contract to other DEs around the league, he's right in line and not overpaid.
MattyT Posted June 23, 2008 Posted June 23, 2008 See what I mean? He already disappeared! I have corrected, sorry. Do you think that he doesn't disappear? What you've said has been said before and there's some merit to it, but Aaron is a good player and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt to see what he can do this year with a significantly better defensive interior. If he can't get it done (ie. increase production when we need it) this year then I'll feel better about being critical of his play during the next off-season.
apuszczalowski Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 See what I mean? He already disappeared! I have corrected, sorry. Do you think that he doesn't disappear? How are we supposed to agree with your belief and view on Schobel as a player when you didn't even have him playing against the right position infront of him? No wonder he disapears in your view, your looking on the wrong side of the field As for age, isn't Taylor older then Schobel? For those complaining about Schobel being on the wrong side of 30, what about Taylor?
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted June 27, 2008 Author Posted June 27, 2008 Try Pinball Wizzard next. I think you'll really be able to do something special with that one. Ever since ole' Cotton was a young boy, He played the oblong ball. From Cheektowaga down to Bimghamton I must have played them all. but I ain't seen nothing like him In any state playoff. That 'Hollywood' Trent Edwards Sure throws a mean football! He stands like a statue, Becomes part of the machine. Feeling all the rushers Always keeps his jersey clean. Reads the D by intuition, The opposing corners fall That 'Hollywood' Trent Edwards Sure throws a mean football! Trent's a football wizard There has to be a twist! A football wizard, He's got such a supple wrist.
Beerball Posted June 27, 2008 Posted June 27, 2008 Ever since ole' Cotton was a young boy,He played the oblong ball. From Cheektowaga down to Bimghamton I must have played them all. but I ain't seen nothing like him In any state playoff. That 'Hollywood' Trent Edwards Sure throws a mean football! He stands like a statue, Becomes part of the machine. Feeling all the rushers Always keeps his jersey clean. Reads the D by intuition, The opposing corners fall That 'Hollywood' Trent Edwards Sure throws a mean football! Trent's a football wizard There has to be a twist! A football wizard, He's got such a supple wrist. BRAVO!!!
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted June 28, 2008 Author Posted June 28, 2008 BRAVO!!! Those looking for further enrichment activities on this topic, may click the following link for recommended viewing: http://youtube.com/watch?v=RHxpy7O004s Cotton was IN that crowd, clappin' and chantin, hootin and hollerin! Those are Ole' Cotton's kinda people!
ax4782 Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 And note that last season, due to the lack of push from Triplett and Williams up the middle, Schobel got a LOT of double teams and still managed to get 6.5 sacks. Not a lot, but with the number of double teams he was facing, that's not absolutely terrible. Also, teams typically moved their TE over to help when he face a team's LT. Whoever suggests that Schobel is not double-teamed on every play has no idea how blocking schemes are executed and how you deal with a player who is the only legitimate pass rusher from the outside.
Pyrite Gal Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 Schobel doesn't get doubled that I recall, and basically disppears against better L tackles. He'll benfit from an improved D tacklesituation, but what DE player woundn't? In addition, he'll be 31 I believe at the start of the season, and is vastly overpaid IMO. Disappears in whose eyes? Perhaps yours but not in the eyes of the coaches, fellow players, and fans who in combination selecting him as a starting Pro Bowler for the 06 season and as a reserve for last season. is Schoebel Bruce Smith? In a word. No. In more words not even close. However, does the fact he ain't the best Bills DE ever and not even the top DE in the league mean that he is crap or simply disappears against the best opponents as you say. In a word No. Schoebel has plusses and minuses like any human being or player. However, in this case the pluses so outweight the minuses that any rational judgment recognizes that he is a plus big time for this team. 1. The Bills scheme switches have really helped his development as a player. He came to the NFL showing promise but could be defeated by a stronger more experienced player when you sent the play toward him. Over the years he has simply developed his strength while at the same time he developed experience which allowed him to escape getting tied up or slip blocks more reliably. He does in fact get double-teamed but usually when the opposing OC has chosen him as the point of attack. It used to be he could be handled one on one but now when the play goes at him the opposing FB or a pulling blocker will take him out with the opposing OL player. 2. The big switch which helped his game a lot was when LeBeau/Gray used the zone-blitz as our base D. Schoebel responded by losing some weight so he could pull off the pass coverage needed by a DL player in a zone blitz. The good news is that this weight loss was pulled off with him while actually increasing his strength and leverage at the POA. Schoebel now can be counted upon to provide as deep as middle zone coverage due to his athleticism while also requiring a dt when he is at the POA for a run play. 3. Schoebel is not a one move pass rusher(a downside for Bills fans used to Bruce beating OL players with one move and a swim). However, this is where his diligence and the constant motor the Bill's braintrust seems to love kicks in for Schoebel. He is a smart player who will stay after the QB and also anticipate where he may scramble to as he stays on the blitz. He plays well on containment of outside rushes and his peers value his determination to the extent that rather than disappear they vote him honors, Overall, I would say that Schobel is just the type of DE we want in our scheme which operates like the Tampa 2. Its the DTs we call upon to penetrate (and with Stroud and pressure specialist Johnson joining 1st round pick MCCargo and former starter Williams the DL rotation should be much improved over the failed Triplett experiment. Schobel will be required to be disciplined in his play, contain RBs running wide, pick up the trash by keeping his motor running for the occaisional late sack, and even do short zone pass coverage from time to time. Schobel will never be a traditional Bruce Smith rusher but he has trained for years to make this work. I think he can.
VOR Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 And note that last season, due to the lack of push from Triplett and Williams up the middle, Schobel got a LOT of double teams and still managed to get 6.5 sacks. Not a lot, but with the number of double teams he was facing, that's not absolutely terrible. Also, teams typically moved their TE over to help when he face a team's LT. Whoever suggests that Schobel is not double-teamed on every play has no idea how blocking schemes are executed and how you deal with a player who is the only legitimate pass rusher from the outside. Not to mention losing Hargrove for the first 4 games and Denney for the first 9 games hurt the DE rotation and forced Schobel to play more.
Sisyphean Bills Posted June 28, 2008 Posted June 28, 2008 Not to mention losing Hargrove for the first 4 games and Denney for the first 9 games hurt the DE rotation and forced Schobel to play more. 6.5 sacks means he was tied for 37th with 5 other guys. The Bills as a team were 29th best in sacks.
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