Simon Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 How should we decide the Napster case? Or Berstein v US in which compilable source code was settled to be speech, and not an item which can be regulated? Let's look at letter's to Madison's mom for clues! That's an easy one. Just like you and your modern day heroes are wont to do, the men who had the foresight to found this nation would have surely have deferred to the federal government and thrown a few billion dollars of the citizen's money to them! But your point is my point - they were politicians not very different than today. George Bush = George Washington Thomas Jefferson = Tom Delay John Kerry = John Adams Yeah, I'm beginning to see your point. Perhaps if you wore a hat nobody would notice. What a waste of keystrokes that conversation turned out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 $66k - $112k makes you rich? Where? I dunno. Ask 'tard boy: If you think $66k-$112k isn't pretty rich when the median income is approx. $48k then what is? I'd have to say that people making about $20, 000 more than over half the country are at the very beginning of rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 AD, the rebate is coming out of your taxes for next year. It's going to be paid back next year. You seem to not know that. It's not a tax cut of any kind. Really? Do you have a link that implicitly states that? Because everything I've read on the subject calls it a one time tax cut. EDIT: For the record I wasn't for it last time and this time I really don't care either way. It is odd how the party that's supposed to be so good with economy seems to always suck at it. Both parties suck at the economy because both parties suck. The difference is, you don't understand even the fundamentals involved. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think making more than twice the national median is rich. Once again, an opinion based on ignorance. OOH, a continuing theme! I said "The most balanced" every network has a bias. MSNBC skews liberal. Fux Knus skews far right. CNN is the most balanced news source. Stick with that. Here are five I disagree with on the ultra-liberal side. 1. I do believe people deserve to die for heinous crimes. 2. I believe that Americans have a right to bear arms.* 3. I believe that military spending isn't too much comparative to other expenditures.** 4. I believe that war is sometimes necessary 5. I believe eating meat is not a heinous crime. Your turn. *As long as I get to choose the weapons based on absolutely no subject knowledge. **Really? So spending as much on the military as the next 11 countries combined is a good idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Really? Do you have a link that implicitly states that? Because everything I've read on the subject calls it a one time tax cut. Both parties suck at the economy because both parties suck. The difference is, you don't understand even the fundamentals involved. Once again, an opinion based on ignorance. OOH, a continuing theme! Stick with that. *As long as I get to choose the weapons based on absolutely no subject knowledge. **Really? So spending as much on the military as the next 11 countries combined is a good idea? Wow, somebody is grouchy here. I have to agree with Steely here, if you are making over $66k, you are in the top 3rd of the country incomewise. Now, the people that are making over $100k, they are doing very well for themselves and most likely have accrued a decent of amount of wealth. So, they are rich for the most part. I think you show ignorance by accusing Steely of being ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Jarhead Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Where do you live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Where do you live? earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Where do you live? Small town in Colorado with Friendly faces everwhere humble folks without temptation and Ample Parking Day or Night, people spouting, "Howdy, Neighbor" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 Wow, somebody is grouchy here. I have to agree with Steely here, if you are making over $66k, you are in the top 3rd of the country incomewise. Now, the people that are making over $100k, they are doing very well for themselves and most likely have accrued a decent of amount of wealth. So, they are rich for the most part. I think you show ignorance by accusing Steely of being ignorant. You'll learn a hell of a lot when you leave WNY and enter the real world. I've lived all over this planet, including 2 of the highest cost of living areas in the country. Do you have kids? A mortgage? College debt? If you did, you'd understand that $100K ain't anywhere near "rich". It's middle class. If you were smart, you'd do a lot more listening and understanding and realize that guys like Obama prey on ignorance and the inability for people to see beyond their own neighborhoods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 If you were smart, you'd do a lot more listening and understanding and realize that guys like Obama prey on ignorance and the inability for people to see beyond their own neighborhoods. Then see beyond your own neighborhood and pay up more in taxes! No personal checks please! Just cash or money order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted June 22, 2008 Share Posted June 22, 2008 You'll learn a hell of a lot when you leave WNY and enter the real world. I've lived all over this planet, including 2 of the highest cost of living areas in the country. Do you have kids? A mortgage? College debt? If you did, you'd understand that $100K ain't anywhere near "rich". It's middle class. If you were smart, you'd do a lot more listening and understanding and realize that guys like Obama prey on ignorance and the inability for people to see beyond their own neighborhoods. I know enough to know that $100k a year isn't goin to be the life of kings with Dom Perignon sitting in your hot tub with a playboy bunny waiting for you. However, $100k/year, if managed in a shrewd and efficient manner, can go a long way. FWIW, you are talking to someone who lived in a car for a summer (during my college years) and lived with a well off relative for a summer (when I was in my teens). I have seen how the poor, the middle class, and the upper middle class have lived. Now, for most parts of the country, you should easily be able to afford two cars, a mortgage on a reasonably priced home, bills and other day to day expense. To me, that is being rich, you can afford everything that you need and some things beyond that. Anything beyond that is personal excess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I know enough to know that $100k a year isn't goin to be the life of kings with Dom Perignon sitting in your hot tub with a playboy bunny waiting for you. However, $100k/year, if managed in a shrewd and efficient manner, can go a long way. FWIW, you are talking to someone who lived in a car for a summer (during my college years) and lived with a well off relative for a summer (when I was in my teens). I have seen how the poor, the middle class, and the upper middle class have lived. Now, for most parts of the country, you should easily be able to afford two cars, a mortgage on a reasonably priced home, bills and other day to day expense. To me, that is being rich, you can afford everything that you need and some things beyond that. Anything beyond that is personal excess. So two people with middle class jobs are rich because you lived in a car. Got it. Care to tell me what a "reasonably priced home" is in any metroplex in the country? Mr. Obama and the rest of the socialists are thankful you got an "education". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 So two people with middle class jobs are rich because you lived in a car. Got it. Care to tell me what a "reasonably priced home" is in any metroplex in the country? Mr. Obama and the rest of the socialists are thankful you got an "education". The prices for a home in my village which is about 35 miles south of the Chicago "Loop" (18 from the city) range from about 800k on the VERY high end to 70K on the low: High Low Reasonable: Reasonable Homes I would say that reasonable homes here in this part of the Chicago metroplex is in the mid-100's, that being not to dumpy looking. You can surley find one on a decent street for maybe under 100k. Move these houses to the north side and all bets are off. Check out the one for 798k... Image what that would fetch in other areas of the country. Then the very next house drops down to below 300k... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Wow... Got me looking... Check out this dump in the Bay Area (Pleasanton) for 654k!... I don't know the area... Looked on the map to see how far out it was from SF-OAK... Highway Robbery Something like this in my area would be in the low 100's.... Just saying, a lot of you guys throughout the country (outside the Chicago area) are getting raped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Damn, I have to move there. $200,000 wouldn't get you crap in the DC area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Damn, I have to move there. $200,000 wouldn't get you crap in the DC area. Move here... Just a stone's throw from Chicago (a little more out than me) but really nice: Crown Point, Indiana... Nice Area Taxes may be about 5k on a 200k though... Not sure, can't find that info... Mine is about 5k in Illinois. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Chicago would be a good market for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 Wow... Got me looking... Check out this dump in the Bay Area (Pleasanton) for 654k!... I don't know the area... Looked on the map to see how far out it was from SF-OAK... Highway Robbery Something like this in my area would be in the low 100's.... Just saying, a lot of you guys throughout the country (outside the Chicago area) are getting raped! I used to live in Pleasanton, it's in the East Bay well south of Oakland. It's really a great area, but way overpriced. Housing costs in that town have tripled in the past 10 yrs or so. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything in the Bay Area under $600K. You're paying for great weather, lots of jobs and the proximity to San Francisco. Not saying it's worth it, just the facts. Right before the internet bubble burst in 2001, you would pay between $100-300K over the asking price, because ~30 pre-qualified people wanted the same house as you. That uplift went away, but prices are still way out of line compared to the rest of the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 I know enough to know that $100k a year isn't goin to be the life of kings with Dom Perignon sitting in your hot tub with a playboy bunny waiting for you. However, $100k/year, if managed in a shrewd and efficient manner, can go a long way. FWIW, you are talking to someone who lived in a car for a summer (during my college years) and lived with a well off relative for a summer (when I was in my teens). I have seen how the poor, the middle class, and the upper middle class have lived. Now, for most parts of the country, you should easily be able to afford two cars, a mortgage on a reasonably priced home, bills and other day to day expense. To me, that is being rich, you can afford everything that you need and some things beyond that. Anything beyond that is personal excess. When you get to the real world, give us a call. INCOME Let's assume your salary is 100K. I'll lop off about 30K to various taxes because it makes easy math, so you have 70K to spend in a year. INCOME TOTAL: 70,000 BILLS (yearly): Mortgage(200K home/30yr mortgage with with property tax estimated): 24K Student loans (100K): 12K Childcare for 2 kids: 12K Food: 12K __ Those are the big bills. And they add up to 60K. Which leaves 10K for things like saving for college (for kids). Retirement savings. Healthcare (good luck paying for healthcare for a family of 4 for 10K). Cars. Gas. Phone. Water. Better hope the roof doesn't leak. Good luck with your theory that 100K can "go a long way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Jarhead Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 JA- Nice job of breaking it down 'shotgun style' so maybe, just maybe, he'll understand. I will say this-until you've lived in and experienced a high cost area it is difficult to understand the true value of a dollar in these areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted June 23, 2008 Share Posted June 23, 2008 JA- Nice job of breaking it down 'shotgun style' so maybe, just maybe, he'll understand. I will say this-until you've lived in and experienced a high cost area it is difficult to understand the true value of a dollar in these areas. Thanks. And that's assuming 200K doesn't get you a room in shelter, ie, if you live near a big city. Here in Philadelphia where housing is actually pretty cheap compared to placed like SD where you are, 200K isn't going to get you a nice neighborhood or even a decent single family dwelling. 100K/year isn't something to sneeze at but it's not exactly easy living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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