Bill from NYC Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Peters Lynch Schobel Moorman Trent Edwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 PetersLynch Schobel Moorman Trent Edwards What you said but I'd replace Trent with Evans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu Cthulhu Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Evans - Top 10 WR Moorman - Top 3 Punter Lynch - Top 10 RB Peters - Top 3 LT Whitner - Top 5 SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyBill Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Peters-Best LT in league, and at least 2nd best Lynch- Top 5 RB Evans- Top 15 WR Whitner- Top 10 SS Moorman- Best P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Peters-Best LT in league, and at least 2nd best *Lynch- Top 5 RB Evans- Top 15 WR Whitner- Top 10 SS Moorman- Best P * Best LT in league, and at least 2nd best, for the team with 3rd fewest # of pass attempts last season while running a fair number of double tight end offensive sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 * Best LT in league, and at least 2nd best, for the team with 3rd fewest # of pass attempts last season while running a fair number of double tight end offensive sets. To be fair, most of the TE help was for the benefit of Walker on the other side. The TEs did not take up permanent residence on the left side until Chambers took over at LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Just got PFW's 2008 preview mag, here's where they rank the Bills' players: Trent #23 QB Marshawn #15 RB Evans #18 WR Peters #2 OT Dockery #10 OG Schobel #14 DE Stroud #25 DT DiGiorgio Unrated but listed as Top Veteran ILB Prospect Whitner #13 S Ko Unrated but listed as Top Veteran S Prospect McGee #4 Return Specialist Lindell #2 K Moorman #2 P They predict 9-7, 2nd place in the AFC East, but no playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 * Best LT in league, and at least 2nd best, for the team with 3rd fewest # of pass attempts last season while running a fair number of double tight end offensive sets. S.I C., you need to watch Peters play more often. The kid is very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 1, 2008 Author Share Posted June 1, 2008 Just got PFW's 2008 preview mag, here's where they rank the Bills' players:Trent #23 QB Marshawn #15 RB Evans #18 WR Peters #2 OT Dockery #10 OG Schobel #14 DE Stroud #25 DT DiGiorgio Unrated but listed as Top Veteran ILB Prospect Whitner #13 S Ko Unrated but listed as Top Veteran S Prospect McGee #4 Return Specialist Lindell #2 K Moorman #2 P They predict 9-7, 2nd place in the AFC East, but no playoffs. Sounds realistic. I am very concerned about the division- there is no way NY or Miami is as bad as last year- we still may be better than both, but it will be hard to sweep them again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 The anchors that are keeping us down (Dead weight).1. Melvin Fowler 2. Langston Walker 3. Robert Royal 4. Pass Rush---- if Stroud and McCargo stay healthy we'll see if the high motor guys can put Brady, et al on their arse or if we need to clean house at DE. I think referring to many of these players with the team "dead weight" simply over states the case. I know that the internet lends itself to extreme judgments even if their are no objective facts given to support this view (as an American we are entitled to fact-free opinions) and some folks simply get their panties all up in a wad over the least problem. However, in this case in real life fortunately cooler heads will prevail. Specifically IMHO 1. Fowler- Clearly no world-beater and there are there are numerous centers in the NFL who are better. However, the reality is that despite the fact we still would love a Kent Hull there. Just because a player is not Kent Hull does not mean he is dead weight. This is particular true when there was NO center in this draft who presents a real chance that he is gonna be great and that the Centers available in FA had better options in terms of money and facing even lesser competition than Fowler. Fowler has negatives that if someone has a clear upgrade suggestion I would love to see us act, but in the absence of a suggested alternative that is not speculative or impossible, folks should recognize: 1. He is a vet who has seen a lot of games but is still young enough he may well not have hit his peak yet as a player. Good coaching can improve his work. 2. The main rap on him during his relatively short career has been the injury question. However, after two years and 32 starts at C he has reduced injury from a true worry to the constant concern injury is for all NFL players (who were not named Brett Favre). 3. Whether folks want to admit it or not, the offense gave up fewer sacks in 07 than they had in year and blocked effectively for Lynch to produce very good yardage. This is not great in all ways but clearly is not a dead weight performance. 4. He has proved to be pretty athletic for a guy listed at over 300 pounds. He has proved nimble enough for us to use him as a pulling center on outside runs. I know Fowler gets a lot of grief and he deserves pressure to do better, but I have seen no objective demonstration that he is dead weight. 2. The same OL numbers which make a case for some effective work by Fowler apply to Walker as well. Again, he may well be young enough that he has not hit his peak performance as a player (and certainly an OL gets better as chemistry develops which can take years). Demographically he is simply a big boy who at the RT position can be a lot more than dead weight simply by applying his weight without huge negatives from his play. Even those who question whether he is a big positive have not used any objective evidence to say he is a negative and only dead weight. Even if you want to claim they are not as positive as you would like and part of a consistently effective O and devastating in short yardage would you not agree that registering the lowest number of sacks as long as the stat has been kept and blocking for Lynch's run production means that this unit while not positive in all ways was not a negative dead weight last season. 3. Royal- Here I would be willing to actually throw around the dead weight phrase, but again not as a wholesale indictment of Royal who simply was not a bad blocker but in regards to his production as a pass receiver which was fairly non existent. Again nuance is tough but there is that pesky little thing called accuracy. 4. Agreed generally that the lack of a pass rush was an anchor, but the true dead weight analysis is that Triplett has been identified as the dead weight and he is gone. Even more accurate IMHO of a good analysis of the pass rush would focus not simply on the individuals Stroud and McCargo but would recognize that actually on the current depth chart, pick-up Johnson is listed as the starter over Mccargo. I think this is significant because it speaks to the Bills expectations for the inconsistently shown talents of Johnson and the use of a rotation rather than of a starting pair as to the effectiveness of our DTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 * Best LT in league, and at least 2nd best, for the team with 3rd fewest # of pass attempts last season while running a fair number of double tight end offensive sets. So is Walter Jones not a top 5 LT because the Seahawks rushing average was in the bottom 10 of the league??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckincincy Posted June 2, 2008 Share Posted June 2, 2008 So is Walter Jones not a top 5 LT because the Seahawks rushing average was in the bottom 10 of the league??? So where does SEA rank in # of pass attempts last season and # of double tight end sets??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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