SD Jarhead Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 ANWR saves 75 cents and takes 10 yrs to deliver You forgot this tidbit from the story "And if ANWR oil replaces foreign oil barrel-for-barrel, that means the U.S. is importing less oil, Budzik said, and fewer oil imports mean a stronger U.S. dollar." Why not become less dependent on foreign sources? Liberals are the ones who want us out of the Middle East and this is one small step to help us do that. Look, I like to eat caribou as much as the next guy, and if I thought they were in some way going to be harmed by this I'd probably not be in favor of it. But what the fug?
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 You forgot this tidbit from the story "And if ANWR oil replaces foreign oil barrel-for-barrel, that means the U.S. is importing less oil, Budzik said, and fewer oil imports mean a stronger U.S. dollar." Why not become less dependent on foreign sources? Liberals are the ones who want us out of the Middle East and this is one small step to help us do that. Look. I like to eat caribou as much as the next guy, and if I thought they were in some way going to be harmed by this I'd probably not be in favor of it. But what the fug? yes, but there's many things that effect the value of the dollar and in 10 yrs, we'll probably be consuming way oil than we do now if the trends continue. The problem is that historically the vast majority of American people didn't want to drill there. Not just liberals! Maybe in 2008, the sentiment might be different. I haven't looked at those polls in a while.
Alaska Darin Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 yes, but there's many things that effect the value of the dollar and in 10 yrs, we'll probably be consuming way oil than we do now if the trends continue. The problem is that historically the vast majority of American people didn't want to drill there. Not just liberals! Maybe in 2008, the sentiment might be different. I haven't looked at those polls in a while. Ooh, let's start governing by polls and let Frankenstien mobs take over the Justice system as well. The reason the average American is against drilling in ANWR is they are fools without a speck of information on which to base their decision. It's that same mentality that has us in today's energy crunch. For 40 years, we've ignored doing incremental things to alleviate stress on this particular part of the infrastructure. All that ignorance has added up exponentially today. People need to understand that there is no magic bullet. Just a whole buncha little common sense steps that will help a whole lot when added together. The problem is, if we start now it's still going to take 30 or more years to make serious headway - because that's how big the problem really is.
SD Jarhead Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Well Darin, the problem's just too big so we'll just B word about it and let the next generation solve it. Because we took a poll and people just don't want to do it. We also don't want the Sierra Club upset with us, because that would stop our flow of campaign contributions, and of course we can't have that...
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Ooh, let's start governing by polls and let Frankenstien mobs take over the Justice system as well. The reason the average American is against drilling in ANWR is they are fools without a speck of information on which to base their decision. It's that same mentality that has us in today's energy crunch. For 40 years, we've ignored doing incremental things to alleviate stress on this particular part of the infrastructure. All that ignorance has added up exponentially today. People need to understand that there is no magic bullet. Just a whole buncha little common sense steps that will help a whole lot when added together. The problem is, if we start now it's still going to take 30 or more years to make serious headway - because that's how big the problem really is. This is not about some silly poll that asked a few hundred people what they thought. Every poll (except in Fl and AK) overwhelmingly said Don't Drill in ANWR. I guess there's millions of fools based on the answers that came back. So, in your view of the world, our elected officials are supposed to ignore consistent, statistical evidence that the American people don't want it and authorize drilling anyways? Other than polls and voter referendums, how exactly is congress supposed to gauge public opinion on important subjects? I agree it's a huge problem, it will take a lot of little things to turn this around, and we need to start now.
Alaska Darin Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 This is not about some silly poll that asked a few hundred people what they thought. Every poll (except in Fl and AK) overwhelmingly said Don't Drill in ANWR. I guess there's millions of fools based on the answers that came back. There absolutely is. The fact that you don't think so... So, in your view of the world, our elected officials are supposed to ignore consistent, statistical evidence that the American people don't want it and authorize drilling anyways? Other than polls and voter referendums, how exactly is congress supposed to gauge public opinion on important subjects? It's called leadership, hero. The masses are basically unwashed lemmings who know exactly what they're spoon fed. I guarantee 90% of the people "polled" wouldn't be able to find ANWR on a map or give even cursory information about the "pristine" "wildlife" "refuge" that didn't come directly from the for profit media, some scummer lib politico, or an enviro group. Much less make any kind of informed decision. So yes, were our elected "officials" competent they'd absolutely ignore the terminally stupid, driven mostly by ignorance and emotion opinion on just about every subject at their disposal. There's a reason Franklin said our form of government would be great until the people found out they could vote things for themselves. I agree it's a huge problem, it will take a lot of little things to turn this around, and we need to start now. You've got that much going for you.
KD in CA Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 I agree it's a huge problem, it will take a lot of little things to turn this around, and we need to start now. ....unless there is a public opinion poll that says otherwise.
In-A-Gadda-Levitre Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 It's called leadership, hero. The masses are basically unwashed lemmings who know exactly what they're spoon fed. I guarantee 90% of the people "polled" wouldn't be able to find ANWR on a map or give even cursory information about the "pristine" "wildlife" "refuge" that didn't come directly from the for profit media, some scummer lib politico, or an enviro group. Much less make any kind of informed decision. So yes, were our elected "officials" competent they'd absolutely ignore the terminally stupid, driven mostly by ignorance and emotion opinion on just about every subject at their disposal. Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups. Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out.
TheMadCap Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups. Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out. What AD said is absolutely true. However, I really don't want these so called "leaders" who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and selfish to have the final say on what we do. Hey wait...
Sketch Soland Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups. Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out. Truth is a B word. We don't live in a democracy.
Chilly Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups. Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out. I thought we lived in a Republic.
/dev/null Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 I thought we lived in a Republic. That's your problem not Faking a roughing's
Alaska Darin Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Last I heard, we lived in a democracy, not some socialist wasteland, where a higher authority gets to decide what the people want. It's a bummer we're all unwashed lemmings, altered and controlled by scummer lib politicos and enviro groups. Have a decaf dude. You're way too stressed out. We don't live in a Democracy. We live in a Representative Republic and it was set up that way for a reason. Take a fuggin' civics class. And I'm not stressed out at all. I laugh at people like you.
Alaska Darin Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 What AD said is absolutely true. However, I really don't want these so called "leaders" who have proven themselves to be untrustworthy and selfish to have the final say on what we do. Hey wait... Therein lies the rub. Either way, it sucks. In this case, we're lacking leadership and common sense.
pBills Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Personally, I wish the billions and billions of dollars the oil companies were putting towards "investment" would actually start to pay off sooner or later for the average Joe. Kind of makes me wonder whose future they are investing in.
GG Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Personally, I wish the billions and billions of dollars the oil companies were putting towards "investment" would actually start to pay off sooner or later for the average Joe. Kind of makes me wonder whose future they are investing in. Unfortunately for you, they haven't perfected the ruby slippers that grant your wish if only you stomp them enough times.
Wacka Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Personally, I wish the billions and billions of dollars the oil companies were putting towards "investment" would actually start to pay off sooner or later for the average Joe. Kind of makes me wonder whose future they are investing in. They are. They found oil in ANWR, oil shale in ND, oil off the Florida Coast, oil off the Cali coast, but government interference has stopped them from harvesting it. Blame the idiots in Washington for not having it pay off.
pBills Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 They are. They found oil in ANWR, oil shale in ND, oil off the Florida Coast, oil off the Cali coast, but government interference has stopped them from harvesting it. Blame the idiots in Washington for not having it pay off. Ok. Since research has paid off... they know where it is. What are the profits going for now?
Alaska Darin Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Ok. Since research has paid off... they know where it is. What are the profits going for now? Infrastructure and further development technologies. "Harvesting" oil is incredibly expensive in most places. Oh and big jets and perks for people in the industry. Because they can.
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