JasoninMT Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Here are the Bills Drafts since '00... Rank 'em (in order of best to worst)... Then Rate 'em. Imho, if a player is still in the league it was a good draft, not the players fault necessarilly the Bills decided not to pay 'em or whatever... # is the pick order in terms of the bills R is the Round they were picked P is the pick in the round O is the Overall Pick 2007 # R P O Name Position College 1 1 12 12 Marshawn Lynch RB California 2 2 2 34 Paul Posluszny LB Penn State 3 3 29 92 Trent Edwards QB Stanford 4 4 12 111 Dwayne Wright RB Fresno State 5 6 10 184 John Wendling DB Wyoming 6 7 12 222 Derek Schouman RB Boise State 7 7 29 239 C.J. Ah You DE Oklahoma 2006 1 1 8 8 Donte Whitner DB Ohio State 2 1 26 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State 3 3 6 70 Ashton Youboty DB Ohio State 4 4 8 105 Ko Simpson DB South Carolina 5 5 1 134 Kyle Williams DT Louisiana State 6 5 10 143 Brad Butler T Virginia 7 6 9 178 Keith Ellison LB Oregon State 8 7 8 216 Terrance Pennington T New Mexico 9 7 40 248 Aaron Merz G California 2005 1 2 23 55 Roscoe Parrish WR Miami (FL) 2 3 22 86 Kevin Everett TE Miami (FL) 3 4 21 122 Duke Preston C Illinois 4 5 20 156 Eric King DB Wake Forest 5 6 23 197 Justin Geisinger G Vanderbilt 6 7 22 236 Lionel Gates RB Louisville 2004 1 1 13 13 Lee Evans WR Wisconsin 2 1 22 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane 3 3 11 74 Tim Anderson DT Ohio State 4 4 13 109 Tim Euhus TE Oregon State 5 7 6 207 Dylan McFarland T Montana 6 7 13 214 Jonathan Smith RB Georgia Tech 2003 1 1 23 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami (FL) 2 2 16 48 Chris Kelsay DE Nebraska 3 3 30 94 Angelo Crowell LB Virginia 4 4 14 111 Terrence McGee DB Northwestern State (LA) 5 4 30 127 Sam Aiken WR North Carolina 6 5 16 151 Ben Sobieski G Iowa 7 6 14 187 Lauvale Sape DT Utah 8 7 14 228 Mario Haggan LB Mississippi State 2002 1 1 4 4 Mike Williams T Texas 2 2 4 36 Josh Reed WR Louisiana State 3 2 29 61 Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young 4 3 32 97 Coy Wire DB Stanford 5 5 4 139 Justin Bannan DT Colorado 6 6 4 176 Kevin Thomas DB UNLV 7 7 4 215 Mike Pucillo G Auburn 8 7 39 250 Rodney Wright WR Fresno State 9 7 41 252 Jarrett Ferguson RB Virginia Tech 10 7 49 260 Dominique Stevenson LB Tennessee 2001 1 1 21 21 Nate Clements DB Ohio State 2 2 15 46 Aaron Schobel DE Texas Christian 3 2 27 58 Travis Henry RB Tennessee 4 3 14 76 Ron Edwards DT Texas A&M 5 3 33 95 Jonas Jennings T Georgia 6 4 15 110 Brandon Spoon LB North Carolina 7 5 13 144 Marques Sullivan T Illinois 8 6 15 178 Tony Driver DB Notre Dame 9 6 32 195 Dan O'Leary TE Notre Dame 10 6 33 196 Jimmy Williams DB Vanderbilt 11 7 14 214 Reggie Germany WR Ohio State 12 7 38 238 Tyrone Robertson DT Hinds J.C. (MI) 2000 1 1 26 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona State 2 2 27 58 Travares Tillman DB Georgia Tech 3 3 27 89 Corey Moore LB Virginia Tech 4 4 27 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee State 5 5 27 156 Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech 6 6 28 194 Leif Larsen DE Texas-El Paso 7 7 27 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 8 7 45 251 DaShon Polk LB Arizona 2007 - Lynch, Poz (who is a ? given IR), and Edwards + some ST help... A- (and could go higher) 2003 - McGee, Kelsay and Crowell + McGahee wasn't a bust... A- 2001 - Schobel, Henry, Clements, and Jennings (albeit 3 aren't with the Bills - but were good when here) A- 2006 - Whitner, Simpson, Butler... an OK draft with some other backups and ST players makes it a B- 2004 - Evans & Losman... I think it's a B- right now - we'll see what happens this year... 2005 - Everett & Parrish... Everett, while a great story, was never an impact. Parrish is the bomb, C+ 2002 - Mike Williams... Need I say more? D- (Reed is still here at least for now) 2000 - the worst draft by the bills, possibly ever... F My .02 anyways... what's your opinion?
drnykterstein Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Man Marv had two really good drafts while he was here.
eball Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Chronologically: Top 4: 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007 Bottom 4: 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005. My God, 2000 was awful. RIP John, but you really stuck it to Ralph with that one.
Greybeard Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Chronologically: Top 4: 2001, 2003, 2006, 2007 Bottom 4: 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005. My God, 2000 was awful. RIP John, but you really stuck it to Ralph with that one. You have to wonder if the guys around Butler agreed with him or thought something was off.
ndirish1978 Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 2001 produced 4 pro bowlers, you gotta give that and A+ even if the FO let Jennings and Clements leave
eball Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 You have to wonder if the guys around Butler agreed with him or thought something was off. Beats me, but looking back it's so obvious that draft just killed the Bills, who were coming off such a promising 1999 season in which they were a blown lateral away from making a big run. They essentially took a year off, everybody was canned, and the rest is history.
bills_fan Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 2001 and 2003, especially, were excellent drafts. 2002, 2004 and especially 2005 were simply awful. Gotta wonder if Donanoe lost his marbles by 05. I think its too soon to properly judge 2006 and 2007. After this year, 2006 is fair game.
drnykterstein Posted April 28, 2008 Posted April 28, 2008 Oh, that 2000 draft. Classic! Best pick of that class .. Dashaun Polk .. Lol
keepthefaith Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 Here are the Bills Drafts since '00... Rank 'em (in order of best to worst)... Then Rate 'em. Imho, if a player is still in the league it was a good draft, not the players fault necessarilly the Bills decided not to pay 'em or whatever... # is the pick order in terms of the bills R is the Round they were picked P is the pick in the round O is the Overall Pick 2007 # R P O Name Position College 1 1 12 12 Marshawn Lynch RB California 2 2 2 34 Paul Posluszny LB Penn State 3 3 29 92 Trent Edwards QB Stanford 4 4 12 111 Dwayne Wright RB Fresno State 5 6 10 184 John Wendling DB Wyoming 6 7 12 222 Derek Schouman RB Boise State 7 7 29 239 C.J. Ah You DE Oklahoma 2006 1 1 8 8 Donte Whitner DB Ohio State 2 1 26 26 John McCargo DT North Carolina State 3 3 6 70 Ashton Youboty DB Ohio State 4 4 8 105 Ko Simpson DB South Carolina 5 5 1 134 Kyle Williams DT Louisiana State 6 5 10 143 Brad Butler T Virginia 7 6 9 178 Keith Ellison LB Oregon State 8 7 8 216 Terrance Pennington T New Mexico 9 7 40 248 Aaron Merz G California 2005 1 2 23 55 Roscoe Parrish WR Miami (FL) 2 3 22 86 Kevin Everett TE Miami (FL) 3 4 21 122 Duke Preston C Illinois 4 5 20 156 Eric King DB Wake Forest 5 6 23 197 Justin Geisinger G Vanderbilt 6 7 22 236 Lionel Gates RB Louisville 2004 1 1 13 13 Lee Evans WR Wisconsin 2 1 22 22 J.P. Losman QB Tulane 3 3 11 74 Tim Anderson DT Ohio State 4 4 13 109 Tim Euhus TE Oregon State 5 7 6 207 Dylan McFarland T Montana 6 7 13 214 Jonathan Smith RB Georgia Tech 2003 1 1 23 23 Willis McGahee RB Miami (FL) 2 2 16 48 Chris Kelsay DE Nebraska 3 3 30 94 Angelo Crowell LB Virginia 4 4 14 111 Terrence McGee DB Northwestern State (LA) 5 4 30 127 Sam Aiken WR North Carolina 6 5 16 151 Ben Sobieski G Iowa 7 6 14 187 Lauvale Sape DT Utah 8 7 14 228 Mario Haggan LB Mississippi State 2002 1 1 4 4 Mike Williams T Texas 2 2 4 36 Josh Reed WR Louisiana State 3 2 29 61 Ryan Denney DE Brigham Young 4 3 32 97 Coy Wire DB Stanford 5 5 4 139 Justin Bannan DT Colorado 6 6 4 176 Kevin Thomas DB UNLV 7 7 4 215 Mike Pucillo G Auburn 8 7 39 250 Rodney Wright WR Fresno State 9 7 41 252 Jarrett Ferguson RB Virginia Tech 10 7 49 260 Dominique Stevenson LB Tennessee 2001 1 1 21 21 Nate Clements DB Ohio State 2 2 15 46 Aaron Schobel DE Texas Christian 3 2 27 58 Travis Henry RB Tennessee 4 3 14 76 Ron Edwards DT Texas A&M 5 3 33 95 Jonas Jennings T Georgia 6 4 15 110 Brandon Spoon LB North Carolina 7 5 13 144 Marques Sullivan T Illinois 8 6 15 178 Tony Driver DB Notre Dame 9 6 32 195 Dan O'Leary TE Notre Dame 10 6 33 196 Jimmy Williams DB Vanderbilt 11 7 14 214 Reggie Germany WR Ohio State 12 7 38 238 Tyrone Robertson DT Hinds J.C. (MI) 2000 1 1 26 26 Erik Flowers DE Arizona State 2 2 27 58 Travares Tillman DB Georgia Tech 3 3 27 89 Corey Moore LB Virginia Tech 4 4 27 121 Avion Black WR Tennessee State 5 5 27 156 Sammy Morris RB Texas Tech 6 6 28 194 Leif Larsen DE Texas-El Paso 7 7 27 233 Drew Haddad WR Buffalo 8 7 45 251 DaShon Polk LB Arizona 2007 - Lynch, Poz (who is a ? given IR), and Edwards + some ST help... A- (and could go higher) 2003 - McGee, Kelsay and Crowell + McGahee wasn't a bust... A- 2001 - Schobel, Henry, Clements, and Jennings (albeit 3 aren't with the Bills - but were good when here) A- 2006 - Whitner, Simpson, Butler... an OK draft with some other backups and ST players makes it a B- 2004 - Evans & Losman... I think it's a B- right now - we'll see what happens this year... 2005 - Everett & Parrish... Everett, while a great story, was never an impact. Parrish is the bomb, C+ 2002 - Mike Williams... Need I say more? D- (Reed is still here at least for now) 2000 - the worst draft by the bills, possibly ever... F My .02 anyways... what's your opinion? Best topic of the month! 2007, too soon to tell but could turn out to be very good. 2006, A 2005, D 2004, C+ 2003, A- 2002, C 2001, A 2000, Oh my god - F
Pete Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 That 2000 draft is disgusting. Not a very strong draft class that year though. Check out rounds 2-4- Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓ 32 Cleveland Browns Dennis Northcutt Wide Receiver Arizona 33 New Orleans Saints Darren Howard Defensive End Kansas State 34 Cincinnati Bengals Mark Roman Safety LSU 35 San Francisco 49ers John Engelberger Defensive End Virginia Tech 36 Philadelphia Eagles Todd Pinkston Wide Receiver Southern Miss 37 Atlanta Falcons Travis Claridge Guard USC 38 Pittsburgh Steelers Marvel Smith Tackle Arizona State 39 Chicago Bears Mike Brown Strong Safety Nebraska 40 Denver Broncos Ian Gold Linebacker Michigan 41 Arizona Cardinals Raynoch Thompson Linebacker Tennessee 42 New York Giants Cornelius Griffin Defensive Tackle Alabama 43 San Diego Chargers Rogers Beckett Strong Safety Marshall 44 Green Bay Packers Chad Clifton Tackle Tennessee 45 Denver Broncos (from Baltimore) Kenoy Kennedy Strong Safety Arkansas 46 New England Patriots Adrian Klemm Tackle Hawaii 47 Oakland Raiders Jerry Porter Wide Receiver West Virginia 48 San Francisco 49ers (from New York Jets) Jason Webster Cornerback Texas A&M 49 Dallas Cowboys Dwayne Goodrich Cornerback Tennessee 50 Detroit Lions Barrett Green Linebacker West Virginia 51 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Carolina) [3] Cosey Coleman Guard Tennessee 52 Seattle Seahawks Ike Charlton Cornerback Virginia Tech 53 Miami Dolphins Todd Wade Tackle Mississippi 54 Kansas City Chiefs William Bartee Cornerback Oklahoma 55 Minnesota Vikings Fred Robbins Defensive Tackle Wake Forest 56 Minnesota Vikings (from Washington) Michael Boireau Defensive End Miami 57 Carolina Panthers (from Tampa Bay) [3] Deon Grant Free Safety Tennessee 58 Buffalo Bills Travares Tillman Free Safety Georgia Tech 59 Indianapolis Colts Marcus Washington Linebacker Auburn 60 Jacksonville Jaguars Brad Meester Center UNI 61 Philadelphia Eagles (from Tennessee) [4] Bobbie Williams Guard Arkansas 62 St. Louis Rams Jacoby Shepherd Cornerback Oklahoma State [edit] Round three Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓ 63 Cleveland Browns Travis Prentice Running Back Miami (Ohio) 64 Washington Redskins (from New Orleans) Lloyd Harrison Cornerback North Carolina State 65 San Francisco 49ers Giovanni Carmazzi Quarterback Hofstra 66 Cincinnati Bengals Ron Dugans Wide Receiver Florida State University 67 Atlanta Falcons Mark Simoneau Outside Linebacker Kansas State University 68 Tennessee Titans (from Philadelphia) [4] Erron Kinney Tight End University of Florida 69 Chicago Bears Dez White Wide Receiver Georgia Tech 70 Denver Broncos Chris Cole Wide Receiver Texas A&M 71 Arizona Cardinals Darwin Walker Defensive Tackle University of Tennessee 72 Pittsburgh Steelers Kendrick Clancy Defensive Tackle University of Mississippi 73 New York Giants Ron Dixon Wide Receiver Lambuth University 74 Green Bay Packers Steve Warren Offensive Tackle University of Nebraska 75 Baltimore Ravens Chris Redman Quarterback University of Louisville 76 New England Patriots J.R. Redmond Fullback Arizona State University 77 Pittsburgh Steelers (from Oakland) Hank Poteat Cornerback University of Pittsburgh 78 New York Jets Laveranues Coles Wide Receiver Florida State University 79 Cleveland Browns JaJuan Dawson Wide Receiver Tulane 80 Seattle Seahawks (from Dallas) Darrell Jackson Wide Receiver University of Florida 81 Detroit Lions Reuben Droughns Running Back University of Oregon 82 Carolina Panthers Leander Jordan Tackle Indiana University of Pennsylvania 83 San Diego Chargers Damion McIntosh Tackle Kansas State University 84 Miami Dolphins Ben Kelly Cornerback University of Colorado 85 Kansas City Chiefs Greg Wesley Free Safety Arkansas-Pine Bluff 86 San Francisco 49ers (from Seattle) [5] Jeff Ulbrich Inside Linebacker University of Hawaii 87 Chicago Bears (from Washington) Dustin Lyman Tight End Wake Forest 88 Minnesota Vikings Doug Chapman Running Back Marshall University 89 Buffalo Bills Corey Moore Outside Linebacker Virginia Tech 90 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Nate Webster Linebacker University of Miami 91 Indianapolis Colts David Macklin Cornerback Penn State University 92 Jacksonville Jaguars T.J. Slaughter Outside Linebacker Southern Miss 93 Tennessee Titans Byron Frisch Defensive End Brigham Young University 94 St. Louis Rams John St. Clair Tackle Virginia [edit] Round four Pick # ↓ NFL Team ↓ Player ↓ Position ↓ College ↓ 95 Cleveland Browns Lewis Sanders Cornerback Maryland 96 New Orleans Saints Terrelle Smith Fullback Arizona State 97 Cincinnati Bengals Curtis Keaton Running back James Madison 98 Green Bay Packers (from San Francisco) [6] Na'il Diggs Linebacker Ohio State 99 Philadelphia Eagles Gari Scott Wide Receiver Michigan State 100 Atlanta Falcons Michael Thompson Tackle Tennessee State 101 Denver Broncos Jerry Johnson Defensive Tackle Florida State 102 Arizona Cardinals David Barrett Cornerback Arkansas 103 Pittsburgh Steelers Danny Farmer Wide Receiver UCLA 104 St. Louis Rams (from Chicago) [7] Kaulana Noa Guard Hawaii 105 New York Giants Brandon Short Linebacker Penn State 106 Minnesota Vikings (from Baltimore) Antonio Wilson Linebacker Texas A&M 107 Oakland Raiders Junior Ioane Defensive End Arizona State 108 San Francisco 49ers (from Green Bay) [6] John Keith Safety Furman 109 Dallas Cowboys Kareem Larrimore Cornerback West Texas A&M 110 Cleveland Browns Aaron Shea Tight End Michigan 111 San Diego Chargers (from Philadelphia) [8] Trevor Gaylor Wide Receiver Miami(Ohio) 112 Denver Broncos (from Carolina) Cooper Carlisle Guard Florida 113 San Diego Chargers (from Detroit through Philadelphia) [9] Leonardo Carson Defensive Tackle Auburn 114 Green Bay Pakers Anthony Lucas Wide Receiver Arkansas 115 Kansas City Chiefs Frank Moreau Running Back Louisville 116 Seattle Seahawks Marcus Bell Linebacker Arizona 117 Miami Dolphins Deon Dyer Fullback North Carolina 118 Minnesota Vikings Tyrone Carter Safety Minnesota 119 Seattle Seahawks (from San Francisco) [5] Isaiah Kacyvenski Linebacker Harvard 120 Carolina Panthers (from Tampa Bay) [3] Alvin McKinley Defensive End Mississippi State 121 Buffalo Bills Avion Black Wide Receiver Tennessee State 122 Indianapolis Colts Josh Williams Defensive Tackle Michigan 123 Jacksonville Jaguars Joe Chustz Tackle Louisiana Tech 124 Tennessee Titans Bobby Myers Safety Wisconsin 125 Chicago Bears (from St. Louis Rams) [7] Reggie Austin Cornerback Wake Forest 126 Green Bay Packers Gary Berry Safety Ohio State 127 New England Patriots Greg Randall Tackle Michigan State 128 Tennessee Titans Peter Sirmon Linebacker Oregon 129 Washington Redskins Michael Moore Guard Troy [edit] Round five
lets_go_bills Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 That 03' draft was tops for me; Willis is good (not as good as he thinks though), Kelsay starts, Crowell starts, and McGee starts, while Aiken and Haggan were valuable ST contributors. Mind you, the 07' draft may end up being king sooner rather than later because... Lynch is awesome and our featire back. Posluszny will be a star and is a tackling machine. Edwards looks like he could be the QB of the future for us. And Wendling is a gunner who is the best punt-cover man in the biz.
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