Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 I'd pick these guys in order if available in that round. I didn't put guys who won't be there, like Gholston or Ellis in the 1st or Jerod Mayo in the 2nd. If a WR is picked up in an early round, the WR's listed below would fall down the list, but not much. The number before their name in the later rounds is DraftTek's Player Rank, exclusive of need. Round 1 #11--Priority is to get a Difference-Maker, hopefully contributing this year, preferably Offensive Target for Edwards. BPA on offensive side is a guard. Trade Down if possible if it nets an extra 2nd and/or 3rd. Love the 3rd Round. Stay Put in Round 1: -----11 Branden Albert OG - VA Lowest bench of top 5 guards -----12 Leodis McKelvin CB- Troy KR 4.38 -----13 D. Rodgers-Cromartie CB Ten St 4.33 -----15 Derrick Harvey DE - Florida Drop Down or Trade Back Into First Round For: -----18 Devin Thomas WR- MichSt, #1, KR 4.4 -----32 James Hardy WR- Indiana tallest,character issue, 217, 4.51 -----20 Phillip Merling DE- Clemson -----26 Limas Sweed WR- Texas 215 4.52 Round 2 #42 -----45 Martellus Bennett TE - Tx A&M 259 above avg blk 12ypc -----40 Andre Caldwell WR- Florida 6'0 4.37 #2 fast -----56 Mike Pollak OC -Arizona State (G and C) -----43 Trevor Laws DT - Notre Dame -----46 Justin King CB-Penn St 4.3 avg tkl, shoulder -----52 Reggie Smith CB- Okla 4.4, safety exper, KR,PR Round 3 #72 -----62 Earl Bennett WR-Vandy 6'0 209 4.4, has SEC record in receptions -----65 JeromeSimpson WR-CCU 6'2, 4.4, 199, 10.75" hands -----68 Brad Cottam TE - Tenn injury history good blocker 16 ypc -----91 John Carlson TE - ND 272, abv avg blk 10 ypc -----64 Erin Henderson OLB - MD -----63 Roy Schuening OG - OreState -----84 Charles Godfrey CB- Iowa Chris Brown recommended -----71 Andre Woodson QB- Kentucky -----77 Josh Johnson QB - SD- 6'3 4.5 Lynch cousin -----79Eddie Royal WR - Va Tech 4.3 KR -----94 Jordy Nelson WR -Kansas St 6'3 4.5 -----87 Red Bryant DT - TX -----92 Chilo Rachal OG - USC 315, 5.12 -----88 Bruce Davis OLB - UCLA Round 4-#111 ----- 97 Mike McGlynn RG - Pgh 6'4 311 bench+ -----103 Chevis Jackson CB- LSU tough, phys, very good vs run -----106 Jerimichael Finley TE - TX 253 12.8 ypc effort -----107 William Franklin WR, Mizzou, 6'1, 213, 4.3 -----111 Philip Wheeler ILB- GT -----114 Jamar Adams SS - Mich 4.5 char +++ -----109 Wesley Woodyard SS- Ky changing from LB -----121 Dwight Lowery CB-SJSt good Cvr-2, 06groin -----118 Paul Hubbard WR-Wisc,6'3,221,4.4 one of best blockers Round 4-#132 -----127 Andre Fluellen DT FSU burst, space eater, pressure -----131 Tom DeCoud SS - Cal 4.5, 207 -----126 Simeon Castille FS - Bama forced 8 Turnovers -----141 Owen Schmitt FB- WVU 247, 5.9ypc, a cult figure in WVA -----134 Ezra Butler-OLB Nevada quick for size, nasty -----135 Patrick Lee -CB- Auburn 6'0 200 great potent'l -----133 Kirk Barton OT- Ohio St sprung Wells Round 5-#138 -----145 Brian Johnston DE Gard-Wb fast 280 4.6 --a gem -----139 Trae Williams CB-USFw/Jenkins, 16int, lock-on tackler -----167 Keenan Burton WR - Ky 6'1, 201, 4.4 quick outs -----143 Carlton Powell DT- VaTech recovspd 2sack -----150 Jordan Dizon OLB- Colo versatile OLB/ILB -----151 Jamie Silva SS- BC,115t ST Thorpe finalist--character +++ -----142 Durant Brooks Punter GT Round 6-#170 -----162 Kevin O'Connell QB- SD St. 6'5 4.6 -----163 Gary Guyton OLB GT 36" vert, 4.47, ~best #'s -----168 Frank Okam DT-Texas ability, smarts, stout vs run -----170 Corey Lynch FS - App 92 tackles -----171 Orlando Skandrick CB - Boise 4.32 3 yrs experience -----177 Craig Stevens TE CAL blk++,best block/rec -----176 Dennis Dixon QB- Oregon inj ACL -----179 David Vobora OLB-Idaho led WAC in tackles 2 yrs in a row -----174 Pierre Garcon WR MtU 6'0, 210, 4.4, 20bench -----185 Pedro Sosa OT - Rutgers - sprung Rice -----188 Jack Ikegwuonu CB - Wisc bad inj - will be out all of 2008, but an investment Round 7 - #202 -----199 Rud.Hardie-Howard DE 6'2 270 4.7, strength, 25 tackles for loss -----202 Fernando Velasco OC - Ga big physical -----204 Chris McDuffie OG- Clemson -----208 Chaz Shilens WR SDSt, 6'4, 208, 4.3 Round 7 - #210 -----212 Mike Dragosavich Punter ND State -----220 Joel Collins FB- Wash St 250, 6.3 ypc better than Schmitt's -----219 Chase Ortiz DE-TCUlean, quick, hustle, char+ -----213 Jamey Richard OC - Buffalo 6'4"301 5.2 local boy -----224 Steve Johnson WR Ky 6'2, 210, 4.5 -----220 Joey Haynos TE- MD 6'8" 265, family guy -----232 Darrell Strong TE-Pgh 6'5"265 phys,recv -----230 Mike Gibson OT- Cal - sprung Lynch -----234 Bernard Morris QB - Marshall 6'6" 211 4.68 -----236 Andrew Crummey OG-MD- drive blox 5.15 -----237 Art Carmody PK L'ville all-time NCAA leader Round 7 - #251 -----263 Mark Bradford, WR Stan,6'1", 211, 4.6, 41"vert -----270 Marcus Henry, WR KS, 6'4, 207, 4.5 tall hands guy -----270Derek Lokey - Texas Bench 38b -----Dennis Keyes FS -UCLA 6'1",205,4.5 79tkl -----Kennard Cox CB Pitt 6'0"195 Cover2 or FS 4.5 -----Jerrid Gaines CB Mia OH 5'11"4.36 needs work -----Chad Rinehardt NIowa 4 yr OT good push -----280Jehuu Caulcrick FB MichSt local product, 254, 4.5 ypc -----283Kelin Johnson FS -Ga 60 tkl in 06, char+ -----Kerry Brown OG - AppSt -persistent, great feet, mean, a hunter -----Marcus Howard DE - Ga 10.5 sacks -----Jalen Parmele RB - Toledo 224 4.4 best route runner -----Danny Woodhead RB - Chadron - 197 4.4 2x Div2 POY -----Chad Hall RB Air Force 3rd in nation in all purpose yds this year -----264Paul Smith QB - Tulsa 5000 yds. 5.02
lets_go_bills Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 Impressive. You did your homework. That all looks very realistic and certainly covers our needs. Good job.
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 In doing this, two things became crystal-clear: 1. The best players available in Round 1 at #11 are defensive players. Only Branden Albert (and I'm not entirely sold on him) is rated as a "Value" pick by DraftTek. My knock on Albert is that he benched the LEAST number of times of the Top 5 OG's. 2. I want more Round 3 picks, because there are more players I like in Round 3 than in Round 4, 5, or 6. I like Rounds 3 and 7 for value at those picks.
Beerball Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 Things just don't fall our way in Rd. 1 unless we trade down. Hopefully there will be a player available that a couple teams will want...McKelvin or Cromartie are the most likely. All it takes is one team wanting to jump ahead to pick their CB. Drop back and grab your WR. (though I would still be crazy happy if they traded up for Ellis if he's there at #8) Round 2 Bennett has to be the pick if he's there. Round 3 or 4 address CB. The rest of the draft is depth. Nice work as always Astro...thanks.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 My knock on Albert is that he benched the LEAST number of times of the Top 5 OG's. I honestly don't know a ton about his measurables? Benching is not always a clear indicator though. Short armed guys have a big advantage in benching and a huge disadvantage on the field. If Albert is long armed and had a sub-par bench I'm OK. If he's short armed and had a bad bench number it's a problem.
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 I understand at the combine he was able to lick his eyebrows.
Beerball Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 I understand at the combine he was able to lick his eyebrows. Harriet has a new favorite player!
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 Who thinks we need to start thinking about Moorman's heir apparent? Dragosavich and Durant Brooks are the best in a while at punter, and one (Dragosavich) punted for ND State--think cold and windy. He'd be a 7th or UDFA.
Beerball Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 Who thinks we need to start thinking about Moorman's heir apparent?Dragosavich and Durant Brooks are the best in a while at punter, and one (Dragosavich) punted for ND State--think cold and windy. He'd be a 7th or UDFA. Unless you're going to put a punter on your practice squad he would have to be an UDFA.
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 Dragosavich is not ranked by most draft gurus, so he'll likely fall to UDFA.
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 Glad to know my obsession is appreciated. The unabridged version is an 8GB Excel spreadsheet LOL
Orton's Arm Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 I honestly don't know a ton about his measurables? Benching is not always a clear indicator though. Short armed guys have a big advantage in benching and a huge disadvantage on the field. If Albert is long armed and had a sub-par bench I'm OK. If he's short armed and had a bad bench number it's a problem. He has long arms.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 He has long arms. Thanks. Answers that question. he gets a bit of a pass on the bench number. For those who don't know. It's harder because you have to push the weight further and your elbows are further away from your torso which changes the fulcrum point. They only give you credit for full, all the way up to lock out and then all the way down to your chest presses. Guys with huge chests and short arms have a very easy time since the weight has a shorter distance to travel.
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 Things just don't fall our way in Rd. 1 unless we trade down. Hopefully there will be a player available that a couple teams will want...McKelvin or Cromartie are the most likely. All it takes is one team wanting to jump ahead to pick their CB. Drop back and grab your WR. (though I would still be crazy happy if they traded up for Ellis if he's there at #8) Round 2 Bennett has to be the pick if he's there. Round 3 or 4 address CB. The rest of the draft is depth. Nice work as always Astro...thanks. Other players that will make teams want to trade up for are the trio of OT's (the last team picking gets the leftovers scenario, which at this point the "leftover" team looks like either Carolina at 13, Chicago at 14, or Philly at 19. If one of them wants to leapfrog for their pick of OT, Buffalo is right at the head of that logjam. The other leapfrog scenario is for their choice of RB's. Mendenhall-Stewart could be picked at #14, 15, or 16, and if you want your choice you need to be right around #11.
Astrobot Posted April 14, 2008 Author Posted April 14, 2008 Other players that will make teams want to trade up for are the trio of OT's (the last team picking gets the leftovers scenario, which at this point the "leftover" team looks like either Carolina at 13, Chicago at 14, or Philly at 19. If one of them wants to leapfrog for their pick of OT, Buffalo is right at the head of that logjam. The other leapfrog scenario is for their choice of RB's. Mendenhall-Stewart could be picked at #14, 15, or 16, and if you want your choice you need to be right around #11. This leapfrog scenario is taking place before my eyes in our Draft Tek Correspondents Mock Draft taking place here: http://www.drafttek.com/2008Corr1.html Chicago at 14 just contacted me with a better offer than the Vikes had. More soon.
BeastMode54 Posted April 14, 2008 Posted April 14, 2008 It seems like the past week or two Albert has been moving up draft charts, at least on this board. Was he always projected to go very high, meaning early-mid first round?
Astrobot Posted April 15, 2008 Author Posted April 15, 2008 Albert was always in that #15-20 range, with no other guards even in RD2. Only knock on him was the bench press, and his long arms make it hard to match the others. The other plus on him is that he may slide to OT if needed.
stinky finger Posted April 15, 2008 Posted April 15, 2008 I understand at the combine he was able to lick his eyebrows. My wife wants Albert @ 11.............tonight.
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