Fitna

[In space no one can hear]

How is this vague?

 

 

If one of these nut jobs had access to a nuclear weapon, and/or a bio weapon, and/or a chemical weapon- don't you think they would use it? 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. I suspect the majority are peace loving. But there are enough wackos with the means and wherewithal to acquire or create one. I worry about global security. Not just Muslims, but our foreign policy, North Korea, Soviet oligarchs, and other roque nations, etc

 

Don't leave out our fellow Christians while your worrying about terrible violence that might happen:

 

 

When extremists from predominantly Moslem countries commit violence, many in the media refer to them as "Islamic terrorists." Why did no one call the Oklahoma City bombing suspects "Christian terrorists"?

 

The militias investigated were called simply "right-wing" and "anti-government," but these hate groups, like the Ku Klux Klan, all have bible-based agendas. Timothy McVeigh is a Catholic. The Oklahoma City bomb was detonated on the anniversary of the raid on David Koresh's Christian militia in Waco.

[Pete]

Don't leave out our fellow Christians while your worrying about terrible violence that might happen:

 

 

When extremists from predominantly Moslem countries commit violence, many in the media refer to them as "Islamic terrorists." Why did no one call the Oklahoma City bombing suspects "Christian terrorists"?

 

The militias investigated were called simply "right-wing" and "anti-government," but these hate groups, like the Ku Klux Klan, all have bible-based agendas. Timothy McVeigh is a Catholic. The Oklahoma City bomb was detonated on the anniversary of the raid on David Koresh's Christian militia in Waco.

Can we move forward in this discussion? Let me once again provide an earlier post-

and what does that have to do with Fitna? I agree that all religions have zealots. I agree that every religion, country, race, etc has periods that they should be ashamed of. But what about the film?

 

 

and

Not just Muslims

[Chef Jim]

Don't leave out our fellow Christians while your worrying about terrible violence that might happen:

 

 

When extremists from predominantly Moslem countries commit violence, many in the media refer to them as "Islamic terrorists." Why did no one call the Oklahoma City bombing suspects "Christian terrorists"?

 

The militias investigated were called simply "right-wing" and "anti-government," but these hate groups, like the Ku Klux Klan, all have bible-based agendas. Timothy McVeigh is a Catholic. The Oklahoma City bomb was detonated on the anniversary of the raid on David Koresh's Christian militia in Waco.

 

Once again the Christian leadership is not calling for this violence whereas the Muslim leadership is.

[Pete]

Once again the Christian leadership is not calling for this violence whereas the Muslim leadership is.

Imagine if the Pope called Jihad? By the reaction I would of thought he did. I think we all can agree- Nazi's=bad. McVeigh=bad. KKK=bad. Now can we agree- militant muslims=bad?

[In space no one can hear]

Can we move forward in this discussion? Let me once again provide an earlier post-

and what does that have to do with Fitna? I agree that all religions have zealots. I agree that every religion, country, race, etc has periods that they should be ashamed of. But what about the film?

 

 

and

Not just Muslims

 

 

And my earlier response to you was as follows:

 

The film concludes with scrolling messages reading in part:

 

"The government insists that you respect Islam, but Islam has no respect for you" and "In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe. In 1989, communism was defeated in Europe. Now the Islamic ideology has to be defeated."

 

 

Again, The film used only excerpts from The Koran to spread fear, hate and misunderstanding.

(Just as one can easily do with The Bible)

 

The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence.

[Pete]

The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence.

And you know this how? I dare you to go backpacking across Pakistan

[Chilly]

How is this vague?

 

 

If one of these nut jobs had access to a nuclear weapon, and/or a bio weapon, and/or a chemical weapon- don't you think they would use it? 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. I suspect the majority are peace loving. But there are enough wackos with the means and wherewithal to acquire or create one. I worry about global security. Not just Muslims, but our foreign policy, North Korea, Soviet oligarchs, and other roque nations, etc

 

What does that have to do with anything that I posted? This is the part that I fail to see. What does that have to do with whether we are fighting a religion or not?

 

(And Fitna, a cheap film solely made to play on Emotion, wouldn't change anything about the statement you made)

 

Once again the Christian leadership is not calling for this violence whereas the Muslim leadership is.

 

Eh, the leaders of those Christian groups are (which would be the equivalent to Christian leadership like the Muslim heads are to their people). Joseph Kony is about on the same level of spiritual leadership as OBL.

[In space no one can hear]

And you know this how? I dare you to go backpacking across Pakistan

 

 

Christians good.

 

Muslims bad.

 

 

 

Are you happy?

 

 

 

Now the world is black and white.

 

Good guys and bad guys.

 

Only right and wrong.

 

Nothing too complex.

[Pete]

Christians good.

 

Muslims bad.

 

 

 

Are you happy?

 

 

 

Now the world is black and white.

 

Good guys and bad guys.

 

Only right and wrong.

 

Nothing too complex.

Where did I say Christian's are absolutely good and Muslims are absolutely bad? You are twisting my words to try and pursue your own agenda. Now since you are so enlightened, I would love to send you on an all expense trip to Pakistan. Bon voyage

[Pete]

What does that have to do with anything that I posted? This is the part that I fail to see. What does that have to do with whether we are fighting a religion or not?

 

(And Fitna, a cheap film solely made to play on Emotion, wouldn't change anything about the statement you made)

 

 

 

Eh, the leaders of those Christian groups are (which would be the equivalent to Christian leadership like the Muslim heads are to their people). Joseph Kony is about on the same level of spiritual leadership as OBL.

I think militant Muslims are a threat to global security. So are gangs. So are the groups I posted before. If you do not think militant Muslims are a threat, you are naive. Have you ever spoken with a militant Muslim? I have experienced that a few times- and it is scary

[In space no one can hear]

Where did I say Christian's are absolutely good and Muslims are absolutely bad? You are twisting my words to try and pursue your own agenda. Now since you are so enlightened, I would love to send you on an all expense trip to Pakistan. Bon voyage

 

 

lol

 

No agenda here. Actually I prefer a discussion.

 

For the third time, though, I will post that I disagree with the Fitna video for several reasons, among them are when it says:

 

 

" the Islamic ideology has to be defeated."

[Chilly]

I think militant Muslims are a threat to global security. So are gangs. So are the groups I posted before. If you do not think militant Muslims are a threat, you are naive. Have you ever spoken with a militant Muslim? I have experienced that a few times- and it is scary

 

Where the hell in any of my posts do you get the impression I don't think that terrorists are a threat?

[ieatcrayonz]

And my earlier response to you was as follows:

 

The film concludes with scrolling messages reading in part:

 

"The government insists that you respect Islam, but Islam has no respect for you" and "In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe. In 1989, communism was defeated in Europe. Now the Islamic ideology has to be defeated."

 

 

Again, The film used only excerpts from The Koran to spread fear, hate and misunderstanding.

(Just as one can easily do with The Bible)

 

The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence.

Number of times in thread remorse is expressed over people killed by Islamic extemists = None

 

Number of times in thread Christianity is called "just as bad as radical Islam" = Countless

 

Number of times in thread a complaint is lodged because someone typed "Islamic" when they should have typed "Islamist" = 5

 

Trying to argue = Pointless

[ieatcrayonz]

And you know this how? I dare you to go backpacking across Pakistan

How much headroom should the backpack have?

[In space no one can hear]

Number of times in thread remorse is expressed over people killed by Islamic extemists = None

 

Number of times in thread Christianity is called "just as bad as radical Islam" = Countless

 

Number of times in thread a complaint is lodged because someone typed "Islamic" when they should have typed "Islamist" = 5

 

Trying to argue = Pointless

 

 

 

Number of times the self apppointed TBD board drooling illiterate posts in the thread without ever adding to the discussion: 10.

[SD Jarhead]

Number of times in thread remorse is expressed over people killed by Islamic extemists = None

 

Number of times in thread Christianity is called "just as bad as radical Islam" = Countless

 

Number of times in thread a complaint is lodged because someone typed "Islamic" when they should have typed "Islamist" = 5

 

Trying to argue = Pointless

 

Crayonz-You're off your game today...you're starting to sound rational!

[OCinBuffalo]

Funny, I didn't know I was attacking Christianity, but pointing out that it is in the way that you use religion that is what matters.

Funny, once again, we see in Molson_Golden fashion, another shining example of an obvious liberal(not a real Democrat) changing the subject with a equally predictable and infantile "but Christians did it too" argument. What these terrorists do has nothing to do with what what anybody else does. McViegh has nothing to do with these people and I grow weary of you lames trying to justify the bad behavior of people you support by pointing out bad behavior by somebody else. Bad behavior is what it is. Grow up. "Just because little Johnny did it too, doesn't mean that what you(or somebody you like) did is ok."

 

This thread is about the effect of Muslim extremism on the rest of the Muslim population and how that effect is spreading. It has nothing to do with Christians. Even if it did, let me be "Mommy" here and remind you once again: two wrongs don't make a right. Moreover, a wrong conducted today based on a wrong conducted 700 years ago make: a retarded argument. Support for such retarded arguments merely demonstrate either the stupidity of the supporter, or the willingness of the supporter to subject themselves to retarded arguments, as long as they get to prove, however tenuously(or don't prove at all), that they are "right" or Bush/America is bad.

 

Unfortunately for you, all you are demonstrating here is why we should not let people who think like you be in charge of anything.

 

The film concludes with scrolling messages reading in part:

 

"The government insists that you respect Islam, but Islam has no respect for you" and "In 1945, Nazism was defeated in Europe. In 1989, communism was defeated in Europe. Now the Islamic ideology has to be defeated."

 

 

Again, The film used only excerpts from The Koran to spread fear, hate and misunderstanding.

(Just as one can easily do with The Bible)

 

The vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence.

Dopey. This is flat out dopey.

 

So now I suppose that the vast majority of the German people, who incidentally elected Hitler to office, were all somehow not aware of the fundamental tenets of National Socialism? Nah they supported the ideology but rejected the violence. Right? How about the millions of Nazi party members? I suppose that they weren't committed to the acts of economic violence, never mind the actual violence, that was perpetrated by the Nazi ideology. Right? Nah, it was just the SS that gave Hitler the power, not the millions of civil servants.

 

The "vast majority" of Communists Party members the world over, who in most cases either supported violence or committed it themselves, did not do it based on their "revolutionary ideals". Nah. The KGB did all the dirty work and none of it was supported or even know by the rank and file. Right? Sure the average worker had no idea that his government was making people disappear( even when it was him who was disappeared to a work camp), invading other countries, starting wars all over the globe. They simply supported the "worker's paradise" that they lived in, not the consequences of letting a few supposed "intellectuals" run things. Or, isn't that the point of Communism?

 

And of course, we can just as easily assume that the terrorists, Hamas included, who incidentally produce no goods or services and haven't for 30 years but somehow are able to live/buy weapons/equipment/bribe officials/travel the world, do so because they have a magic bag that produces an endless supply of money, because the "vast majority" of Muslims reject extremism and violence and of course no economic or military support is coming from them.

 

Like I said. Dopey.

lol

 

No agenda here. Actually I prefer a discussion.

 

For the third time, though, I will post that I disagree with the Fitna video for several reasons, among them are when it says:

 

 

" the Islamic ideology has to be defeated."

So are you willing to go on that backpacking trip through Pakistan or aren't you? Or, are you for the third time, gonna try and Clinton-scate around the question? Does it depend on the definition of the word "is" by any chance?

 

Where the hell in any of my posts do you get the impression I don't think that terrorists are a threat?

Well I don't know, you have consistently trumpeted Micheal Moore's beliefs on this board and he told us in no uncertain terms that "There is no terrorist threat". So, I don't think it's unreasonable for any of us to believe that you would agree with him on this issue as well. After all, Farenheit 911 was a "documentary". Right? And while you hesitate trying in vain to muster up your best smug response, remember that nothing in that movie has proven to be true. Nothing.

[Chilly]

Funny, once again, we see in Molson_Golden fashion, another shining example of an obvious liberal(not a real Democrat) changing the subject with a equally predictable and infantile "but Christians did it too" argument. What these terrorists do has nothing to do with what what anybody else does. McViegh has nothing to do with these people and I grow weary of you lames trying to justify the bad behavior of people you support by pointing out bad behavior by somebody else. Bad behavior is what it is. Grow up. "Just because little Johnny did it too, doesn't mean that what you(or somebody you like) did is ok."

 

This thread is about the effect of Muslim extremism on the rest of the Muslim population and how that effect is spreading. It has nothing to do with Christians. Even if it did, let me be "Mommy" here and remind you once again: two wrongs don't make a right. Moreover, a wrong conducted today based on a wrong conducted 700 years ago make: a retarded argument. Support for such retarded arguments merely demonstrate either the stupidity of the supporter, or the willingness of the supporter to subject themselves to retarded arguments, as long as they get to prove, however tenuously(or don't prove at all), that they are "right" or Bush/America is bad.

 

Unfortunately for you, all you are demonstrating here is why we should not let people who think like you be in charge of anything.

 

Well I don't know, you have consistently trumpeted Micheal Moore's beliefs on this board and he told us in no uncertain terms that "There is no terrorist threat". So, I don't think it's unreasonable for any of us to believe that you would agree with him on this issue as well. After all, Farenheit 911 was a "documentary". Right? And while you hesitate trying in vain to muster up your best smug response, remember that nothing in that movie has proven to be true. Nothing.

 

Amazing. I don't think you got one thing right about me or what I posted in this entire rant.

[GG]

How much headroom should the backpack have?

 

If you're carrying Dora's backpack, the headroom is unlimited.

[OCinBuffalo]

Amazing. I don't think you got one thing right about me or what I posted in this entire rant.

Sure I did. You simply don't have the moral courage to respond. Or is it that there is nothing you can reasonably dispute? Still want to talk about/change the subject to bad Christians when the subject is clearly bad Muslims?

 

How about telling us again that the way an ideology is USED i.e. how National Socialism was USED, is the only thing that's bad, not the ideology itself, i.e. National Socialism is not a bad idea, it was just used improperly. I'm sorry, that's simply retarded thinking no matter how you slice it. Defend it.

 

This is very similar to the dumbass socialists out there trying to tell us that the massive failure that is socialism/Communism, as evidenced by every country that has tried it, can be a good idea, it's just that those 50+ countries that did try it simply didn't USE it properly. And, if only they let this new crop of "smart" people (MoveOn.org and Molson_Golden) USE socialism properly, that this time it would work. Their arrogance is staggering. As if all of the "smart" people who have been involved in giving socialism a try for the last 100 years were all nitwits compared to these new "smart people".

 

I am curious how you come to the conclusion that all ideas are fundamentally good ones, and it is simply their improper use that give people the "impression" that they are bad.

 

Also, if there is a terrorist threat, should we be treating these scumbags as humans, never mind prisoners of war? Obviously our people don't get humane treatment when they are captured. I am curious to hear what standard, Christian or otherwise, you would apply. I am also curious to hear what your personal response would be if one of the people they cut up was someone in your family or one of your friends. How about this, what would you want me to do to the people who do this if their victim was you? If it was your head on a pike or whatever?

 

I am willing to listen to you only because you have said some reasonable things in the past and I don't think you are too far gone into the Molson_Golden stupidity vortex just yet.