Fewell733 Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 he was considered arguably the top TE in the draft because he was considered the best complete TE. Ran terribly at the combine - a 4.89. But reportedly ran a 4.72 and a 4.67 at the on-campus workout according to Chris Brown. In my mind, he now becomes a major consideration in the 2nd or 3rd. here's a real link - newspaper says his combine stunk because he was recovering from the flu where he lost 17 lbs. http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs....496/1001/Sports
BuffaloBilliever Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Looks like Zbikowski wowed some people too.
ans4e64 Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 He may be the most complete, but we need a better receiving threat than him.
ndirish1978 Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Uhh, he is a monster receiver. Don't sleep on him just cause he was on our team that sucked last year with a QB who can't pass gas. He will be an excellent TE as a pro, he catches EVERYTHING. I would be ecstatic if we took him- I think he's better than Keller as far as being polished player and we can get him a rd later; that leaves us free to go CB/WR in rds 1-2 and we get our 3 major needs filled immediately.
Pete Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Looks like Zbikowski wowed some people too. He is a freak. I would like to see the Bills draft him and even created a thread about Zbikowski. Problem is he plays strong safety and we are all set there. This kid is gonna be a solid player and special teams demon!
JStranger76 Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Horus, that is the best mock I have seen yet! You are the winner and everbody else is just a light.......
JStranger76 Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Of course, although I do like a couple other WR's that still may be available ahead of Nelson like Doucet or Hardy, I'm 100% with you on that approach Horus. Best WR available in the 2nd (peferably with size).
Tim Anderson's Lunch Pail Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 I'm very lukewarm on Carlson. I just don't see him being a difference maker in the NFL. I view him ultimately as a solid option in two-TE sets.
Brandon Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Of course, although I do like a couple other WR's that still may be available ahead of Nelson like Doucet or Hardy, I'm 100% with you on that approach Horus. Best WR available in the 2nd (peferably with size). Just based upon the last 10 drafts, the 41st overall pick will, on average, net the 7th WR on the board. So if that holds true, you can write off James Hardy and probably even guys like Early Doucet and Mario Manningham. You're looking more at the clear 2nd tier guys like Andre Caldwell and Jordy Nelson.
ndirish1978 Posted March 20, 2008 Posted March 20, 2008 Zbi is a one trick pony. He is a freak athletically but terrible in coverage. If we drafted him then we could move Donte to FS since he IS good in coverage, but I see this as a remote possibility and I like Simpson anyway
Fewell733 Posted March 20, 2008 Author Posted March 20, 2008 I'm very lukewarm on Carlson. I just don't see him being a difference maker in the NFL. I view him ultimately as a solid option in two-TE sets. He seems like he could be in the Jason Witten mold to me. I wouldn't mind that at all.
Dwight Drane Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 Carlson looked like crap at the combine, so I am glad there was an excuse. The #1 reason you draft this kid is for his head. Trent Edwards has a great mind, and a good feel out on the field. A guy like Carlson should know where to put himself in the passing game, and could very easily turn into a go-to guy. NE exploded because of Welker. Welker has the freedom to motion and choose his own routes. Brady is smart enough to feel it too. When you keep hitting soft spots for 4,7,12 yards...you are going to see things tighten up and allow Moss a little more breathing room. Josh Reed is already a smart route runner. If we go WR in the 1st and Carlson is still there in the 2nd, with his 17lbs back on that he lost at the combine....all of a sudden the Bills have all the makings of another K-gun attack.
Huuuge Bills Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 Carlson looked like crap at the combine, so I am glad there was an excuse. The #1 reason you draft this kid is for his head. Trent Edwards has a great mind, and a good feel out on the field. A guy like Carlson should know where to put himself in the passing game, and could very easily turn into a go-to guy. NE exploded because of Welker. Welker has the freedom to motion and choose his own routes. Brady is smart enough to feel it too. When you keep hitting soft spots for 4,7,12 yards...you are going to see things tighten up and allow Moss a little more breathing room. Josh Reed is already a smart route runner. If we go WR in the 1st and Carlson is still there in the 2nd, with his 17lbs back on that he lost at the combine....all of a sudden the Bills have all the makings of another K-gun attack. I like Trent as much as the next guy, but i mean come on, i mean cooooooooome on. Kelly >>>>>>>>>>>> Trent Andre >>>>> Evans Lofton >>>> Reed Thurman >> Lynch Kent Hull >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fowler Hopefully Trent continues to progress, but that's a bit of a stretch at this point.
Mikie2times Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 He may be the most complete, but we need a better receiving threat than him. Bet you watched a lot of him at ND huh? You couldn't ask for a better receiving threat.
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 If he isn't much of a receiving threat then how is he the most complete? Unfortunately, we need a big receiving threat, either at WR or TE. Touchdowns must be scored or there is little chance to move up (obvious, i know) I say no to the DOMER this time. How about a guy that can make some plays... Fred Davis, Limus Sweed...either one would vastly improve the situation because EITHER one of them should be immediate starters. Carlson in 2007 40 catches 9.3 ypc 3tds.... (1 td against Duke,1 against Air Force) I doubt he had the flu all last fall.
H2o Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 I like Trent as much as the next guy, but i mean come on, i mean cooooooooome on. Kelly >>>>>>>>>>>> Trent Andre >>>>> Evans Lofton >>>> Reed Thurman >> Lynch Kent Hull >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fowler Hopefully Trent continues to progress, but that's a bit of a stretch at this point. LOL!!! I think the Josh Reed to James Lofton comparison is the biggest stretch of all. I guess Parrish is our "new age" Beebe. I could see Carlson being our new Metzellars. Seriously though, I'm a huge ND fan and watch every game. I've watched Carlson over his ND career and truly believe that he can be a top 10 TE in the NFL. The guy is very smart at what he does as far as runnung routes and he's a solid blocker. During Quinn's senior season, he put up great #'s. Why? Because he had a QB that was on the same mental level with the offense as he was. He would definitely be an upgrade and would be our starter from day one. It also wouldn't surprise me at all if he was making the Pro-Bowl within the first couple of years being in the league. He IS that good of a player.
ndirish1978 Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 If he isn't much of a receiving threat then how is he the most complete? Unfortunately, we need a big receiving threat, either at WR or TE. Touchdowns must be scored or there is little chance to move up (obvious, i know) I say no to the DOMER this time. How about a guy that can make some plays... Fred Davis, Limus Sweed...either one would vastly improve the situation because EITHER one of them should be immediate starters.Carlson in 2007 40 catches 9.3 ypc 3tds.... (1 td against Duke,1 against Air Force) I doubt he had the flu all last fall. You should think before you randomly spew out stats. Jimmy Claussen was the worst QB in the history of life last year, not to mention that Weis was piss poor at everything. You want a better indication of his talent look at 07 where he gained 634 yards, averaging 13.5/catch, 4 TDs and a LONG of 62yds. On top of that you have to consider that in '07- Brady was lobbing long TD passes to Samardzija and McKnight. Sammy was a beast at catching jump balls and he got most of those calls. When you play in an offense that was as high gear as that one you make the plays when your number is called. Since I actually went to every home game that season and watched every minute of the away games, I think I probably have a better idea about the guy's talent level than you do. And if you would take a minute to look at how I post you would see that I don't just randomly praise all ND players. Limus Sweed is a WR, so how exactly are you grouping him with TE's?
JStranger76 Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 Maybe he was thinking some were advocating Carlson at 11 ???? Not sure where he was going with that one either ndirish1978.
Bagel Posted March 21, 2008 Posted March 21, 2008 It appears that Carlson's draft status may suffer like Trent's last year in that both: (1) played for lousy teams their senior year and (2) were affected by the flu at the time of the combine. Similarly, Carlson, like Trent, would be an absolute steal in the third round.
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