Arkady Renko Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 You forgot Sun. Now that makes 7 survivors. Why would Aaron count as a survivor? Jin is not a survivor. Sun is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Jin is not a survivor. Sun is. Yeah...my bad...I made the edit. The Six are: Hurley Jack Kate Sayid Sun Aaron Some people dispute that Aaron should be counted. He was on the plane, and survived. That's that. Just because he's a baby doesn't disqualify him. Plus it raises the question of what became of Claire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Guys, I'm fairly certain Jin is in fact dead-dead-dead. Not just back on the island. We're forgetting Jack's testimony during Kate's trial where he recounted the fabricated events of Flight 815. He said 8 survived and 2 died on the island. Meaning, they have bodies for those people ... my money is on Jin being one of those bodies. Sun and Hurley both looked too broken up about it for him just to be still missing. Aditionally, the episode was riddled with foreshadowing of his death, including his line "I'll do whatever it takes to protect you and the baby." When a character says that you might as well start preparing the toe tag. He's dead. The Oceanic 6 are: Sun Hurley Kate Jack Sayid Aaron (?) The only question mark there is Aaron -- and the reason he's a question to me is because Kate is passing him off as her own. Her own mother thinks the kid is blood. So does that mean Kate fabricated that she was pregnant on the plane? I'm not sure how that works ... but I think Aaron is supposed to be part of the 6. Ben obviously does not count even though we know he survives, nor does Michael since he is using a fake name. The one other clue we got last night was the time frame for how long before the Oceanic 6 get rescued. Juliette said 3 weeks before Sun gets too sick to survive ... so the Lostaways don't have too much longer on the island. And Jin doesn't have too much longer to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 You forgot Sun. Now that makes 7 survivors. Why would Aaron count as a survivor? Unless this is another curve thrown at us by the producers, Aaron counts. Obviously the "Oceanic 6" is a clever term coined by the media for the survivors. Aaron wasn’t on the passenger list but was technically alive on the plane. And all 6 miraculously came out of the crash. And wasn't there a promo after last week's episode that said "the final member of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeFerguson Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Yeah...my bad...I made the edit. The Six are: Hurley Jack Kate Sayid Sun Aaron Some people dispute that Aaron should be counted. He was on the plane, and survived. That's that. Just because he's a baby doesn't disqualify him. Plus it raises the question of what became of Claire. The general public are to believe that Kate is Aaron's mother. How do they explain that one? Kate gets on the plane completely unpregnant and then a month later she has a kid???? Then she is rescued with this newborn and nobody is asking how she only had a two month gestation period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jukester Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Couple more things to ponder: Captain's name: Gault Literary reference: John Galt in the book Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. Galt is a mystery man who has invented a powerful new source of energy and has vanished off the face of the earth. Turns out he and some other ''captains of industry'' have formed a secret society in Colorado. The town is discovered when a plane crash lands there Book Regina was reading upside down: Survivors of the Chancellor, by Jules Verne An 1875 novel of psychological suspense about the castaways of a grounded ship who start killing themselves from madness and despair. Remember the inscription on Naomi's bracelet? ''N, I'll always be with you, R.G.'' Is R.G. Regina? Did Regina kill herself because of despair over Naomi's death or due to "island sickness?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 The general public are to believe that Kate is Aaron's mother. How do they explain that one? Kate gets on the plane completely unpregnant and then a month later she has a kid???? Then she is rescued with this newborn and nobody is asking how she only had a two month gestation period? Could Kate have adopted Aaron? I don't believe Claire has any family left, so in theory Kate could have adopted him after they returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duey Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Guys, I'm fairly certain Jin is in fact dead-dead-dead. Not just back on the island. We're forgetting Jack's testimony during Kate's trial where he recounted the fabricated events of Flight 815. He said 8 survived and 2 died on the island. Meaning, they have bodies for those people ... my money is on Jin being one of those bodies. Sun and Hurley both looked too broken up about it for him just to be still missing. Aditionally, the episode was riddled with foreshadowing of his death, including his line "I'll do whatever it takes to protect you and the baby." When a character says that you might as well start preparing the toe tag. He's dead. I see your point. Jin could be one of the dead...and then Claire could be the second (died during childbirth?). Hurley didn't seem that broken up though...and I was thinking he was just feeling bad for Sun. He said "Are we going to visit him" almost flippantly...which made me think that there's no Jin in that grave...and that Jin is not dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Could Kate have adopted Aaron? I don't believe Claire has any family left, so in theory Kate could have adopted him after they returned. Certainly she could have ... but what makes me question that was the reaction of Kate's mother. She wanted to see her grandson. I don't think there would be as strong a desire or motivation for her to see her grandson if she didn't believe it to be blood. You know? I think Kate is literally passing Aaron off as hers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UB2SF Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Would you feel better if I said it was contrived? They are getting too cute for their own good. I'm with you. I used to love this show, but I'm getting burned out by having to follow so many twists and curveballs. By Thursday night, I'm usually toast from a busy week... so having to follow not only "legitimate" plot twists, but also intentional plot-twist fake-outs like Jin's flashback juxtaposed against Sun's flash-forward... well... I just don't have the energy. I literally let out a sigh of relief last night when the episode was over and I could switch over to the Warriors/Suns game (I'm a Warriors fan) to watch something that didn't require flip-charts and Visio flow-charts to follow. Then again, watching Matt Barnes and Grant Hill throw up brick after brick didn't exactly make sense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZC-Boston Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 The general public are to believe that Kate is Aaron's mother. How do they explain that one? Kate gets on the plane completely unpregnant and then a month later she has a kid???? Then she is rescued with this newborn and nobody is asking how she only had a two month gestation period? That's been my issue ever since that episode, only explanation I can think of is the time difference between real life and the island but that's way to confusing for me to figure out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 That's been my issue ever since that episode, only explanation I can think of is the time difference between real life and the island but that's way to confusing for me to figure out... Yeah, but the media is not going to believe a time difference, that would be bigger news than the 6 surviving the plane crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 The general public are to believe that Kate is Aaron's mother. How do they explain that one? Kate gets on the plane completely unpregnant and then a month later she has a kid???? Then she is rescued with this newborn and nobody is asking how she only had a two month gestation period? Certainly she could have ... but what makes me question that was the reaction of Kate's mother. She wanted to see her grandson. I don't think there would be as strong a desire or motivation for her to see her grandson if she didn't believe it to be blood. You know? I think Kate is literally passing Aaron off as hers. You can strike out that "I think," tgreg. Just to throw this out there... all the stories about women popping out babies they didn't know they were carrying. Or Kate could just say that she was preggers when she was on the run and therefore, on her own, so how could anyone know? No one's really left that can adamantly say or prove she was not pregnant, and the word of the other Oceanic 6 'confirmed' that Aaron was hers so I think it's moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 And also, now that we know all 6 official survivors... it sheds absolutely no light on who was in the casket during Jack's flash forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 And also, now that we know all 6 official survivors... it sheds absolutely no light on who was in the casket during Jack's flash forward. Right ... but one thing I know is that we will find out who is in the casket this season. Originally Damon hadn't planned on revealing that until season 5, but the break the WGA strike caused allowed them to react to the fans a bit and they are going to bump up their time table for that reveal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyT Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 And also, now that we know all 6 official survivors... it sheds absolutely no light on who was in the casket during Jack's flash forward. I thought about that...pretty much blows my theory that it's Locke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 I thought about that...pretty much blows my theory that it's Locke. Pretty sure it's going to wind up being someone we hadn't met by the end of Season 3 (though we might have met them by now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-Gun10 Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Pretty sure it's going to wind up being someone we hadn't met by the end of Season 3 (though we might have met them by now). Tgreg who do you think isd in casket, I think its micheal and always have thought it was him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBills Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 Tgreg who do you think isd in casket, I think its micheal and always have thought it was him. It might be Michael ... but I'm just not convinced it is. I tend to lean towards it's someone we haven't met yet. As in one of the people who either played a large roll in putting them on the island in the first place or someone who had a roll in killing/detaining the people left behind on the island. I know that's a cop out answer. But I think if it was any of the people from Oceanic 815, Jack would have identified himself as a friend when the Funeral Home worker asked him. Even Locke or Michael. Of course, I could be 100 percent wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slothrop Posted March 14, 2008 Share Posted March 14, 2008 When they were at Jin's grave, I totally felt like they were missing him rather than grieving for him. Hurley has shown emotion in the past, and the fact that he wasn't emotional at all at the grave signaled to me that Jim was likely alive and still on the island. Or lost in another time/space/dimension. It is not a question of where the other survivors are, it is a question of when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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