Tipster19 Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 Yeah, what a surprise! Levy will be drafting early round corners!!! That was a tough one to figure out. As for the honesty that you seem to applaud, I am thinking that telling the truth would amount to tipping ones hand for no reason. If this is what is really happening, I would think that doing so is a stupid and unneccessary move. How about you, or are you simply bowled over by the honesty? Whoa buddy, why the attack? If you don't like how Marv deals, that's cool. I like what Marv has done and the way he handles himself. I don't think that every GM has to be sneaky and underhanded. We, unfortunately, have been in the top portion of the draft for quite some time and we'll be able to draft a quality prospect. That's no secret.
BillsVet Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Whoa buddy, why the attack? If you don't like how Marv deals, that's cool. I like what Marv has done and the way he handles himself. I don't think that every GM has to be sneaky and underhanded. We, unfortunately, have been in the top portion of the draft for quite some time and we'll be able to draft a quality prospect. That's no secret. You obviously don't understand all the maneuvers teams make on each other during the draft. I'm all for honesty, but not between teams during the time leading to the draft. Honesty during draft time can get you screwed over big-time. I think even the notion Buffalo uses a pick in the first or second on a CB makes many of us want to throw up. If Marv says he's going to build on the lines, and in fairness he's started doing that on the OL, then drafting a CB isn't all that honest, is it? Sure it's nice to have 3 good CB's, but I'd rather have 3 good DT's. I'd rather stop the run really well and be adequate in the pass defense than vice-versa. We saw what that did for us last season.
Tipster19 Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 Sure it's nice to have 3 good CB's, but I'd rather have 3 good DT's. I'd rather stop the run really well and be adequate in the pass defense than vice-versa. We saw what that did for us last season. I'm 100% on board with that thought. Reading what Marv said I think that we're going with what we currently have at DT, regardless if you and I like it or not. Don't confuse what I understand and what I want. Some of what I post is my interpetation of what I think the the direction of what our administration is considering and some of what I post is what I want our administration to do. Either way I have no control over it but neither do you. As far as my understanding goes, whose to say my comprehension isn't as deep as yours? You?
4BillsintheBurgh Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 You obviously don't understand all the maneuvers teams make on each other during the draft. I'm all for honesty, but not between teams during the time leading to the draft. Honesty during draft time can get you screwed over big-time. I think even the notion Buffalo uses a pick in the first or second on a CB makes many of us want to throw up. If Marv says he's going to build on the lines, and in fairness he's started doing that on the OL, then drafting a CB isn't all that honest, is it? Sure it's nice to have 3 good CB's, but I'd rather have 3 good DT's. I'd rather stop the run really well and be adequate in the pass defense than vice-versa. We saw what that did for us last season. We've got two guys at DT that we know very little about and I think OBD wants to let them get settled before investing another high draft pick at the position. Marv mentioned a couple of times during the presser that he's looking for young guys to improve. Marv pretty much left the door open on any position and proved last year that he will take value over need (K Simpson and probably Yobouty). What Marv is being honest about is that the Bills need help just about everywhere and that gives other teams the license to make creative offers to him. So drafting a CB is honest because everythings on the table and that doesn't mean you can't find a run stuffing DT later right?
ndirish1978 Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 We HAVE to see if our 1st rder from last year actually contributes to the team when given a real chance. You can't give up on McCargo before giving the coaches and the front office a chance to see if their pick actually works out.
Bill from NYC Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 Whoa buddy, why the attack? If you don't like how Marv deals, that's cool. I like what Marv has done and the way he handles himself. I don't think that every GM has to be sneaky and underhanded. We, unfortunately, have been in the top portion of the draft for quite some time and we'll be able to draft a quality prospect. That's no secret. Wow. I re-read my post and it DID seem like an attack, therefore I hope you accept my sincere apology. I enjoy dialogue with you and do not wish to offend nor alienate you. I think that BillsVet summed up my feelings fairly well. Last year, Marv used our best resources to sign and draft (as early as possible) a bevy of defensive backs. I thought it was stupid then, and fear (a better word would be expect) that he will do the exact same (dumb) thing. It has to at some point stop, or so one would think. We draft these DBs and watch them walk away the minute they can. If CB is SO important in this system, they should have kept Nate instead of buying another losing ticket to the 1st round defensive back merry go-round. The Bills draft 1st round corners, lose them, and fans are left to wonder why we are weak at LB, TE, RB, AND CB!!! Either way, my disgust about this method which we have proven to be a loser is NOT aimed at you, and once again I am sincerely sorry to have sounded as such.
Lurker Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 We draft these DBs and watch them walk away the minute they can. If CB is SO important in this system, they should have kept Nate instead of buying another losing ticket to the 1st round defensive back merry go-round. The Bills draft 1st round corners, lose them, and fans are left to wonder why we are weak at LB, TE, RB, AND CB!!! Given that drafting a star DB is a lot cheaper than retaining a star DB, it seems like a wise investment, actually. They lose guys to FA because, in effect, they've drafted extremely well. What would you have them do....draft mediocre guys?
Bill from NYC Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 What would you have them do....draft mediocre guys? No. I would have them draft big strong football players. There are games in WNY where throwing is all but impossible due to the weather. In games like this, the Bills need to overpower their opponents on the ground, on both sides of the line. We are a cold weather team that plays in front of primarily hard core, blue collar fans, yet we have not been able to sustain long, time consuming scoring drives, nor stop our opponents from running the football down our throats. Imo, this is not what the Buffalo Bills should be about. I would have them build a team that is first physically dominant. THEN, perhaps I would concentrate on small players such as Parrish, Whitner, etc. This way, we could have a decided edge, especially on our home turf. Sorry you asked?
Lurker Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 No. I would have them draft big strong football players. There are games in WNY where throwing is all but impossible due to the weather. In games like this, the Bills need to overpower their opponents on the ground, on both sides of the line. We are a cold weather team that plays in front of primarily hard core, blue collar fans, yet we have not been able to sustain long, time consuming scoring drives, nor stop our opponents from running the football down our throats. Imo, this is not what the Buffalo Bills should be about. I would have them build a team that is first physically dominant. THEN, perhaps I would concentrate on small players such as Parrish, Whitner, etc. This way, we could have a decided edge, especially on our home turf. Sorry you asked? I think we've had this debate before. What if they drafted the next Jon Ogden and then lost him to FA when his contract was up? You'd have the same result...a hole to fill. IMO, the problem is retaining star FAs, and has nothing to do with the positions picked. The fact that the market values these players so highly when their contracts expire--and in turn throw obscene money at them--is not something the Bills can control.
ganesh Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 Yeah, what a surprise! Levy will be drafting early round corners!!! That was a tough one to figure out. As for the honesty that you seem to applaud, I am thinking that telling the truth would amount to tipping ones hand for no reason. If this is what is really happening, I would think that doing so is a stupid and unneccessary move. How about you, or are you simply bowled over by the honesty? Bill, Considering that this is a deep draft for DBs, the Bills will not pick a DB in the 1st round, unless Willis/Lynch and Peterson are gone in the top 11. In which case they will have to decide between the LB from Penn state, the DT from Louisville or Leon Hall or Reevis. My bet is if the decision comes to those 4, they will pick okoye or trade down and pick up Pos.
Tipster19 Posted April 20, 2007 Author Posted April 20, 2007 Wow. I re-read my post and it DID seem like an attack, therefore I hope you accept my sincere apology. I enjoy dialogue with you and do not wish to offend nor alienate you. I think that BillsVet summed up my feelings fairly well. Last year, Marv used our best resources to sign and draft (as early as possible) a bevy of defensive backs. I thought it was stupid then, and fear (a better word would be expect) that he will do the exact same (dumb) thing. It has to at some point stop, or so one would think. We draft these DBs and watch them walk away the minute they can. If CB is SO important in this system, they should have kept Nate instead of buying another losing ticket to the 1st round defensive back merry go-round. The Bills draft 1st round corners, lose them, and fans are left to wonder why we are weak at LB, TE, RB, AND CB!!! Either way, my disgust about this method which we have proven to be a loser is NOT aimed at you, and once again I am sincerely sorry to have sounded as such. It's cool. That was real classy of you and no offense taken. As far as Marv taking so many DBs last year I THINK there could be a two fold reason and they are linked together. First, the players that were purged were of another regime, they weren't players picked by the current staff. I'm as sick and tired of this administration merry-go-round as the next Bills' fan but hopefully that's something Marv & Co. will provide, stability. The second factor is Marv could see what it would take to keep Clements and he also realized the future needs of the team and had to make a decision. There was an opportunity to take quality young talent at these positions and he seized the moment. At this point Marv did the honorable thing and promised Clements that he wouldn't tag him again, so Levy basically prepared for the future sans Clements. The DTs that were taken early, Ngata and Bunkley, didn't appeal enough to Marv for whatever reason. I believe Whitner has shown that we didn't make a mistake in taking him. Levy did make an honest effort to address this need still by taking McCargo and Williams. It's unfortunate that McCargo was injured and it was never proven last year how much he can bring to our team. I do feel that Williams was a good value pick for a 5th rder and he did bring something to the table for us. It's still too early to tell but in comparison Williams looks like a much better pick for a 5th rder than Anderson does for a 3rd rder. I feel that Donahoe should of had Clements resolved and why he didn't I guess we'll never know. Donahoe either made fantastic picks or he laid eggs. What disturbed me with Donahoe was when he did have solid players, he would allow them to leave via free agency. It didn't seem that we could keep continuity. This is, again, what I believe Marv provides for us. It's early, he has only been at the helm for a year and what he had purged and still is purging, has been in a very classy way as possible. All of this of course is only my opinion and perception, none of it being factual. Oh, by the way Bill from NYC, I enjoy rapping with you too.
Dibs Posted April 20, 2007 Posted April 20, 2007 This team will be 7-9 again if we don't improve our porous run defence. Mmmmm. I believe as you do(& many others) that having a strong run D is extremely important to a teams success...... ......but...... Indy won the superbowl ranked last in yards & last in yards per carry. Exception to the rule? Probably. Indication of how good their Offense is? Probably. Indication of how the Tampa-2 is a different style of D to the more traditional types.....i.e. does not require as much run stopping as other Ds? Possibly. Counteracts your generalization? Definitely.
Tipster19 Posted April 20, 2007 Author Posted April 20, 2007 Could it be that the cover 2 defense minimizes offenses and relies on having a stronger offense themselves? The Colts have dumped a ton of money on their offense and really address their defense as an after thought. I also didn't understand why Buffalo never seemed to be interested in RFA CB Jason David. I'm sure we can stand to use more help there and the Bills will do something but I don't think Buffalo is all that worried about their secondary. I'm really looking forward to the draft. I think that we're all in for another surprise this year.
Dibs Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 Could it be that the cover 2 defense minimizes offenses and relies on having a stronger offense themselves? The Colts have dumped a ton of money on their offense and really address their defense as an after thought. I wouldn't think so......the Bucs team that won the superbowl had an extremely pedestrian offense & the Bears team that got there last year had(apart from the first 6 weeks of the season) a fairly poor offense.
Sanners Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 No. He meant fruitation. Definition: A man's irrepressible urge to move to San Francisco or Key West, date other men, and skip to work. Example: "Look here comes Bob and his boyfriend. Looks like the fruitation is complete." Bravo! Classic...
Sanners Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 Sure it's nice to have 3 good CB's, but I'd rather have 3 good DT's. I'd rather stop the run really well and be adequate in the pass defense than vice-versa. We saw what that did for us last season. Yeah, that worked great for Minnesota last year, right??? You have to have both areas working well...
BillsVet Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 Yeah, that worked great for Minnesota last year, right??? You have to have both areas working well... Well, throw in the fact their offense was horrible, and that their pass defense stunk up the joint, and yeah, stopping the run isn't going to be enough. I recall we beat them 17-12 despite yielding a late TD when McGee allowed his man to get open. I realize that you have to stop the run and pass to be effective, I think a 4th grader can understand that one. Besides, they had Brad Johnson starting. Need I say more?
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