DC Tom Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 You know I don't get the whole Imus thing. Who cares if they're nappy headed or not. I learned long ago that they're all pink. Shut up, you nappy-headed hobbit.
PastaJoe Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Good thing Joey isnt obsessed or anything. How the !@#$ do Rove and Imus connect with one another??!!!?? Actually...I give him credit. At least he didnt actually pin Anna Nicole's death and Sanjaya's ascention on Rove, as some some of diabolical conspiracy to get him off the front pages. I'm referring to the fact that those issues mean less air time on the news about Attorney-gate and other administration problems. At least now we know that rappin' Rove isn't the baby's daddy.
erynthered Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 I'm referring to the fact that those issues mean less air time on the news about Attorney-gate and other administration problems. At least now we know that rappin' Rove isn't the baby's daddy. Looks like Rove got another break. The charges against the Duke players have been dropped.
DC Tom Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 The charges against the Duke players have been dropped. So quickly?
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 So quickly? Gee, an incompetent government official railroads a (some) young man (men) south of the Mason Dixon. I'm shocked.
RuntheDamnBall Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 I think comparing Imus to the self-proclaimed moral majority is baseless because he's being directly labelled by someone who doesn't know him from Adam. I didn't really mean to link them together and knew as soon as I typed that that it'd probably appear that way. My point is that the people coming to defend him by saying 'rap musicians say this all the time' don't think much of rap music, so why are they using it to defend him? This is typical though. I don't know why it needs to be much more hashed out or redirected around the notion that the guy just said a stupid thing that got amplified to a loud-enough audience that it began to matter. Gwyn Ifil (WH reporter and Washington Week in Review anchor whom Imus referred to as a 'cleaning lady') wrote a pretty good NYT op-ed piece about this, anyway. Far more eloquent than I have been on the subject. It's just pretty plain the the dude takes easy shots at people who've done nothing to deserve it. I'm pretty surprised, the more I read, that he has managed to command major political guests.
RkFast Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 It's just pretty plain the the dude takes easy shots at people who've done nothing to deserve it. Yes. But why has THIS comment.....NOW...created the reaction it has? "Easy shots" are taken all day every day on the radio and in the media. Comediennes do entire acts making fun of different groups and classes of people. So why does THIS comment said by a man who has been an equal opportunity offender for thirty years suddenly get this much attention? And the reactions are getting insane. One of the players said she's been "scarred for life." The coach went on ESPN Radio and equated what Imus said with murder.....MURDER!!!!!!! Its getting downright crazy.
DC Tom Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 Yes. But why has THIS comment.....NOW...created the reaction it has? Al Sharpton. Seriously. Did anyone hear know what Imus said before Sharpton bitched? I'd put money on the Rutgers basketball team not knowing what he said until Sharpton bitched.
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 I just know that there is an "Ed joke" in here (thread) somewhere...
Booster4324 Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 Ok let me start this off by saying I believe that Al Sharpton and Jesse jackson are opportunists of the first degree. Al Sharpton is particularly deserving of condemnation IMO. With that said you do realize that the producer called them jigaboos in that conversation. That makes it a racially charged incident all by its lonesome. Nappy headed and making fun of their tattoos I can almost forgive. Then he called them Ho's. Do you realize that he just called a bunch of college age kids whores? They aren't really public figures you know. If he had attacked the WNBA in the same fashion I might be more forgiving. These are 18-22 year old girls and certainly didn't deserve this. I realize Imus does some really good work with charities and such. He has certainly been an equal opportunity basher on many occasions in the past. He stepped over the line IMO, and at the very least the producer should go.
The Big Cat Posted April 12, 2007 Author Posted April 12, 2007 Okay, I think this is being blown WAAAAAAAAY out of proportion. He said the words "Nappy Headed Ho's" to compliment the other comments being made about the questionable apperences of the Rutgers players. The comment, however offensive you find it, was intended to be the punctuation (or the rim-shot (pun intended)) to an ongoing "rap" (as Imus reffered to it). THAT'S IT!
Booster4324 Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 Viking I am assuming that is directed at me where you quote yourself. I am too tired and a bit buzzed to search back for it so I won't quote you. You have the Al Sharpton types who whip their adherents into a frenzy blaming Whitey for all their ills. I feel that the hard left is to blame for a lot of this BTW. At the same time you have the ultra conservatives manipulating the middle class to poor whites especially hard by explaining that the liberals only want to take your hard earned tax dollars and give it to welfare recipients. Meanwhile, after they bicker on TV they go off and have a round of golf together. Lets just say I know racism exists. It exists on both sides IMO. I have watched my ex wife cocktail at the casino's and shes one of the hardest working cocktails ever. If a black person failed to get a drink they would on occasion say "It's because I am black isn't it?". Never mind they ordered the drink from a different cocktail on the upper floor. On the other hand I have taken a co-worker who was a black female out for drinks just to blow off steam. We happen to work in an upper class white neighborhood and the service we got was lousy. Not once mind you, but 3 times. She was the only black girl at the bar and out of 20 people the only one without a bevnap. Seeing as how we were both ex bartenders it was a poor move financially on their part as we barely tipped 20 %. 5-6 drinks per visit and she never got a bevnap. Subtle racism perhaps...unless you are a bartender. Oh and the service was abyssmaly slow and we got ignored a bunch...mainly because we were a white male and a black girl together. Ignore the fact we were just friends. I won't even go into the racism that goes on to blacks on a regular basis because they tip less on average. Let's just say it exists on both sides and calling someone a jigaboo and following up with nappy headed ho isn't part of the solution.
RkFast Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html While we’re fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I’m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent’s or Snoop Dogg’s or Young Jeezy’s latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos. I ain’t saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don’t have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas. It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent. Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves. It’s embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud. I’m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack. But, in my view, he didn’t do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should’ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it’s only the beginning. It’s an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.
VABills Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 I just know that there is an "Ed joke" in here (thread) somewhere... No this involves 'hos' and we know Ed has never been with a woman. Hell I'm still trying to figure out if he really married a guy, a blow up doll or a goat.
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 12, 2007 Posted April 12, 2007 No this involves 'hos' and we know Ed has never been with a woman. Hell I'm still trying to figure out if he really married a guy, a blow up doll or a goat. We know he went to Rutgers and roots for the NJ Devils... So you may be narrowing it down!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Hooray America. How are these idiots like Sharpton and Jackson any different than Weimar-Germany Nazi and Communist thugs?
Observer Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Hooray America. How are these idiots like Sharpton and Jackson any different than Weimar-Germany Nazi and Communist thugs? If people ignored them, they would fade away. Big difference.
slothrop Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Article from Dave Zirin (edgeofsports.com): Memo to Imus: You're FiredBy Dave Zirin In an absolutely mind bending turn of events, Don Imus is now a man without a job. A week after calling the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy headed hos," the man once hailed by Time Magazine as one of the most influential people in the country, is officially off the air. The final ax fell as CBS announced that they could no longer withstand the heat from both inside and outside their company. As CBS President and Chief Executive Officer Leslie Moonves said, "There has been much discussion of the effect language like this has on our young people, particularly young women of color trying to make their way in this society." "Discussion" is an awfully antiseptic word for what went down. Make no mistake: CBS's Moonves and the bigwigs at MSNBC, who Wednesday pulled the plug on Imus's TV show, were met with an upsurge inside their own ranks. As Bob Herbert wrote in the New York Times, "Powerful statements were made during in-house meetings by women at NBC and MSNBC - about how black women are devalued in this country, how they are demeaned by white men and black men. White and black women spoke emotionally about the way black women are frequently trashed in the popular culture, especially in music, and about the way news outlets give far more attention to stories about white women in trouble. Phil Griffin, a senior vice president at NBC News who oversaw the Imus show for MSNBC, told me yesterday, 'It touched a huge nerve.'" As the days went on, the anti-Imus tide gave expression across the country to a pent-up rage people feel about the way this kind of bigotry continually goes unchallenged. Hurricane Katrina destroyed a majority black city, which continues to wither from neglect, and not a word is said. Women face a constant barrage of sexism in our "Girls Gone Wild" culture but if you challenge it, you're a humorless prig. Imus calls Arabs and Muslims "ragheads" and still had the John Kerrys, Tim Russerts, and Harold Fords as regular guests. This was a classic case of the tipping point, when people just said enough is enough. But why did this comment, in a career of ugly statements, finally break the camel's back? I would argue the answer partly lies in how we are taught to understand sports. Remember that Rush Limbaugh felt the biggest backlash of his career when he said that the media over hyped Philadelphia Eagles football star Donovan McNabb because of their "social concern" to see a successful African American quarterback. After thousands of angry calls and emails Rush was bounced from ESPN. Both Imus and Rush built careers on this kind of bile but when they cross-pollinated their bigotry with sports, a new level of anger exploded. We are relentlessly sold the idea that our games are safe space from this kind of political swill. We are also told that sports are a "field of dreams," a true meritocracy where hard work always meets rewards. But when the playing field is shown to be unlevel, it stings. This sporting reality can wake people up and reveal the hidden inequities in our society that otherwise go unnoticed. When a Rutgers team defies the odds and makes the NCAA finals, and gets called "nappy headed hos" for their trouble, it presses a very all-too-raw nerve. But Imus is also without a job because Rutgers Coach Vivian Stringer and her team, unlike many of Imus's victims, refused to be silent. As captain Essence Carson said, "We're happy -- we're glad to finally have the opportunity to stand up for what we know is right... We can speak up for women, not just African-American women, but all women." Coach Stringer took it even further in her comments last night to MSNBC's Keith Olbermann. She said, "We've become so desensitized that we've allowed a lot of things to pass, and we've not been happy... Too often politicians, leaders, and religious leaders speak for us, and we sit back and don't realize the power in numbers, and when to say enough is enough....We see [injustice]all the time. A kid that steals something with a plastic cap pistol, and spends 10 years in jail, and yet you see, the white-collar workers, you know, thieves that steal millions of dollars [get off]. And I do think that if people stood up, politicians [wouldn't] wait for a poll but [would be] strong enough to make a decision and stand...You know I happen to be the daughter of a coal miner. My father lost both his legs in a mine. He worked hard each and every day. He only stayed out of the mine six months until he got prosthetics. I know what it is to work hard and this has been a lifelong pursuit and passion. I've coached for 36 years...as a person of conscience, I have seen so much that I would like to see changed, with everything. I would gladly exchange winning a national championship if we, as young ladies, would stand and allow the country to somehow be empowered and that we take back our country..." If you want to understand why Imus is out of work, read Coach Stringer's words again. The fact is that so many of us are sick and tired of being sick and tired. We are sick of the casual racism. We are tired of the smirking, drive-by sexism. We are done with people who make their living by selling the idea that some people are less human than others. We are fed up with the politics of division and hate. We are the majority in this country, but are often entirely without voice. This past week, our voices were heard. It won't - it can't - end with Don Imus.
Sketch Soland Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Article from Dave Zirin (edgeofsports.com): I just hope that this newfound expression of being "sick and tired" is channeled towards the real roots of issues and not just in smacking down one DJ so that everyone can feel better about themselves that they "spoke" up.
GG Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Article from Dave Zirin (edgeofsports.com): A passage from another article from Dave Zirin (edgeofsports.com): While Mushnick and his ilk are shocked, shocked by the brawl at the Garden, they conveniently ignore the stories that place these young men in a very different light. With next to no media coverage, Anthony last week gave $1.5 million to start the Carmelo Anthony Youth Development Center in his home town of Baltimore. The center will offer after-school education and recreation programs to about 200 school-age children. But today's Baltimore Sun has a piece titled "Anthony's Star Takes a Hit." Another report on the Sports Illustrated website contends "Melo's Image Irreparably Damaged." The brawl, in the eyes of these observers, far outweighs this altogether more significant act. And in Stern's world of paternalistic damage control, it surely does. linky thingy Apparently, in Zirin's eyes it's ok for these non-ho's to brawl on the court, as long as they do charitable work in the off hours..... (just keep a microphone away from them)
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