Mark VI Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I'm a little concerned about his man to man coverage ability after watching him the last 2 weeks. I'll keep looking for improvement these next couple of games. It was widely reported that he would move to Safety when his speed took another hit. Still has the smarts. Is McGee ready to play now ? Would Vincent look better than Reese at FS ? Not suggesting the Bills are thinking about this...yet. Should they ? Something to discuss.
Thailog80 Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I'll admit Im a little concerned also. Let's see how it plays out before we make a position change. I think TV is going to play himself back into top form.....just a hunch. If not the Safety idea works for me with McGee going into the CB spot opposite Nate. But let's not pull a Rudy here and panic.
Mark VI Posted August 23, 2004 Author Posted August 23, 2004 But let's not pull a Rudy here and panic. 4399[/snapback] Bledsoe and Shaw to Dallas for Roy Williams ! Come on TD, wake up !
OnTheRocks Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I'm a little concerned about his man to man coverage ability after watching him the last 2 weeks. I'll keep looking for improvement these next couple of games. It was widely reported that he would move to Safety when his speed took another hit. Still has the smarts. Is McGee ready to play now ? Would Vincent look better than Reese at FS ? Not suggesting the Bills are thinking about this...yet. Should they ? Something to discuss. 4397[/snapback] I agree with this post 100%!!! The Coy Wire experiment is a failure. Slide Vincent to FS and plug McGee in right away.
Mike in Syracuse Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I noticed we were playing a lot of two deep zone against the Titans. Does anyone know what defensive scheme was used in Philly? It may just be that Vincent is much better in man to man coverage. Then again, it much just be seasoned vet cruising through a meaningless preseason game. Either we we can't be much worse than we were with Winfield. Sure he was a great tackler but I remember his receivers catching a lot of passes as they were running by him. We can also feel better knowing that if Troy does get near the ball, he might actually catch it.
d_wag Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 It was widely reported that he would move to Safety when his speed took another hit. 4397[/snapback] who was this widely reported by? i recall alot of fans speculating about it, some reporters, but i don't remember hearing anything from the bills and the only reaction i heard from vincent was that he was a CB and that he never discussed a move to safety with the bills.....
DeeRay Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 well, Rashad Baker and Jabari Greer are going to make this team. That's probably going to make prileau and or Coy Wire expendable. Coy has the edge in not getting cut because of age and ST value. McGee and Thomas look ready for prime time to me.... and a veteran safety tandem of Milloy and Vincent may look good on paper, but Vincent hasn't played at FS and would need to see considerable action there before making the conversion. So, Vincent to safety ain't gonna happen this season. I would not bet against Rashad Baker starting at FS on opening day. This guy hits anything that moves and has shown damn good range and hands... plus, he's surrounded by a solid and seasoned LB and DB corps.
flomoe Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 well, Rashad Baker and Jabari Greer are going to make this team. That's probably going to make prileau and or Coy Wire expendable. Coy has the edge in not getting cut because of age and ST value. McGee and Thomas look ready for prime time to me.... and a veteran safety tandem of Milloy and Vincent may look good on paper, but Vincent hasn't played at FS and would need to see considerable action there before making the conversion. So, Vincent to safety ain't gonna happen this season. I would not bet against Rashad Baker starting at FS on opening day. This guy hits anything that moves and has shown damn good range and hands... plus, he's surrounded by a solid and seasoned LB and DB corps. 4455[/snapback] I also was quite impressed with Baker at FS. I think Wire and Preilou's (sp) days are numbered in Buffalo. Baker might be small in stature but hits like a truck and has great closing speed. IMHO, once he learns the defense, he might be able to take over at FS. With Milloy back there, the move for him might come sooner than later. Greer is also very impressive and is going to make things difficult come cut down day. He might end up on the practice squad since the Bills usually carry at least one DB on there and I believe that the teams are able to carry up to eight players now, though I'm not positive about that. They are two pretty good DB's from Tennessee though. Maybe Wire can become the next Steve Tasker of Special Teams because I don't think he's going to make it as a DB. Great guy and all but I think the Bills have to much talent back there this year.
MattyT Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I'm a little concerned about his man to man coverage ability after watching him the last 2 weeks. I'll keep looking for improvement these next couple of games. It was widely reported that he would move to Safety when his speed took another hit. Still has the smarts. Is McGee ready to play now ? No... not at #2 yet. Would Vincent look better than Reese at FS ? Yes probably, but not at the expense of playing McGee at #2 CB. Plus we are especially deep at FS. Not suggesting the Bills are thinking about this...yet. Should they ? Not yet. Wait till the season starts. I'm willing to give a break to a 13 year veteran and one of the best cornerbacks the game has ever seen. Something to discuss. That's my take. While I disagree, it is a valid discussion. Much more entertaining than TH vs. WM. Thanks for bringing it up.
clayboy54 Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 First, I tend to agree that Rashad Baker just might be the FS we are looking for. The next 2 weeks will determine a lot of that, but I am certain they will find a way to fit him in if he continues to impress. Second, I disagree that Vincent has a problem. On the long pass vs the Titans, he was all over the receiver but the pass was perfect and Vincent didn't have a play. And, remember that, not unlike Malloy a year ago, it takes a while to get into a new defense. Vincent has the advantage that Malloy didn't have by being through an entire off season program and camp. Nonetheless, he is a solid CB that will be our best bet to play when the games really count. Anyhow, you really need top shelf CBs for nickle and dime coverages these days, so don't dismiss the value of having McGee as the nickle back. Finally, as I said in another thread, I am betting that Coy Wire is history. As a matter of fact, because he is such a stand-up guy, it wouldn't surprise me to see him gone as early as this week. They might want to give him a chance to catch on somewhere else. He is no Steve Tasker, so his ST value is not enough to earn him a roster spot.
Guest Guest Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 If McGee keeps playing the way he is, he might just steal the starting spot. Man, he looks great... and, so far in his career he looks like a steal in the 4th round.
CoachChuckDickerson Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I noticed we were playing a lot of two deep zone against the Titans. Does anyone know what defensive scheme was used in Philly? It may just be that Vincent is much better in man to man coverage. Then again, it much just be seasoned vet cruising through a meaningless preseason game. Either we we can't be much worse than we were with Winfield. Sure he was a great tackler but I remember his receivers catching a lot of passes as they were running by him. We can also feel better knowing that if Troy does get near the ball, he might actually catch it. 4445[/snapback] Good observation. Unfortunately I am an out of towner and miss all the preseason games so I can't comment on this stuff. So many people just see the ball thrown to one side or another and assume it is the DB lined up up against the receiver who is responcible for the coverage. Not always the case.
Guest Guest_dschewe_* Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Good observation. Unfortunately I am an out of towner and miss all the preseason games so I can't comment on this stuff. So many people just see the ball thrown to on side or another and assume it is the DB lineup up against the receiver who is responcible for the coverage. Not always the case. 4646[/snapback] I think part of the problem was that Calico looks awesome. Another issue is the way that defensive interference is being called. It may have TV holding back a little. What I saw on Sat wasn't a lack of speed.
Guest Guest_Blackwood Bully_* Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I unfortunately live in South Jersey. I have watched the overrated Eagles every Sunday for the last 4 years. Of course I watch the Bills every week too. All I can say about Vincent is that he is a playmaker. He is still a threat to any WR in the league. He was on CN8 last week a local Philly station talking about moving to safety in a few years. His exact words were "When the game tells me I have to move to safety then I will." Trust me the game isn't going to tell him that for at least two years. It's still pre-season. A vet and pro bowler like him knows when it's game time.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 I like Baker but there is zero reason to replace Reese with an unknown, undrafted undersized FA FS when Reese is not playing bad, he's just not great. The defense did quite well with him last year. Let the kid learn under him. Also, moving Vincent to FS now makes little sense. That is also messing with a very strong defense, the main strength and hope of the team, just before the season starts just on the CHANCE that it may be a wee bit better. It also creates a problem in the secondary because we sometimes will play four cornerbacks. We have only four, counting Vincent, that we can count on. McGee is a shaky starter, but an excellent #3 in nickel situations. And he will learn a ton under Vincent this year. No need to mess with any of this. Wire is going to make the team. He is captain of the special teams, and he can play both safeties. He has been a disappointment, yes, but he is not going to be cut. PP is the one likely to go, as Reese can play both safety positions, too. Furthermore, for all the ball-hawking and ballistics you're looking for, Baker made less than three interceptions a year in college (11 in four years as a starter including only one or at most two in his senior year, last year), and wasn't known as a great hitter or tackler. I agree, however, that he has looked pretty good in camp and the two games, against reserves.
Alaska Darin Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Wire is going to make the team. He is captain of the special teams, and he can play both safeties. 5008[/snapback] You've got a loose definition of the word "play." I'd have used "line up at" instead.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 You've got a loose definition of the word "play." I'd have used "line up at" instead. 5026[/snapback] He's quite good already at playing the run, despite a miss last week (and all of our DBs have had glaring missed tackles already coming up flying on the run), and Wire's already an excellent blitzer. He just can't do what free safeties need to do: Cover and intercept.
Rico Posted August 23, 2004 Posted August 23, 2004 Finally, as I said in another thread, I am betting that Coy Wire is history. As a matter of fact, because he is such a stand-up guy, it wouldn't surprise me to see him gone as early as this week. They might want to give him a chance to catch on somewhere else. He is no Steve Tasker, so his ST value is not enough to earn him a roster spot. 4629[/snapback] Agreed... depending on the cap hit. How much would it cost us to let him go?
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