TheZone78 Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Hi all, just in case you wish to here Marv on the fan 590 Toronto talk about Willis being traded. There is the usual chat but he does go into a little bit more detail. http://www.fan590.com/mediaplayer/audiopla...pt-20070308.mp3
yall Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Anyone care to summarize? Can't do streaming audio/video at work... Thanks!
Phlegm Alley Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Anyone care to summarize? Can't do streaming audio/video at work... Thanks! He said that Willis' comments about Toronto didn't influence them, neither did the fact that he would hold out for 10 games. One thing that he did reiterate was that the coaching staff is IN LOVE with the A-Train as well as the other guys that we have: Shaud and Fred Jackson who was the all-purpose yardage leader for NFL Europe. He said that they want to win now and they brought in some guys last year of high character that provided a decent improvement from the year before. He said that the OLine is an intrical part of our offensive structure and that it was to improve the running game, not to necessarily protect the QB. Losman is the man at QB, no question.
Mike formerly from Florida Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 He said that Willis' comments about Toronto didn't influence them, neither did the fact that he would hold out for 10 games. One thing that he did reiterate was that the coaching staff is IN LOVE with the A-Train as well as the other guys that we have: Shaud and Fred Jackson who was the all-purpose yardage leader for NFL Europe. Did he say why he hasn't been signed yet???
Phlegm Alley Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Did he say why he hasn't been signed yet??? Nope, just said that him and Jauron abosolutely LOVE the A-Train. I expect the Bills to sign him any day now.
TheZone78 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Posted March 9, 2007 He also said that he was reminded that Willis could hold out for 10 games and thus become a free this season. They way he said he was reminded makes me think Rosendink was ready to play hardball.
Peter Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 He also said that he was reminded that Willis could hold out for 10 games and thus become a free this season. They way he said he was reminded makes me think Rosendink was ready to play hardball. It took McGahee less than a day to sign a new contract that is quite reasonable by NFL standards (just look at what the Bills are paying Dockery). The Bills could have signed him just as fast if they wanted him. It would not have taken 10 weeks into the regular season to get a deal done. It could have been done yesterday (as it was with the Ravens). This is just the Bills pr campaign to justify the deal.
todd Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 I think the point is that Buffalo determined that Willis isn't worth that kind of $$. A guy who doesn't know the playbook on opening day isn't worth top 5 RB money - and that's what willis got. That is far from reasonable for an average RB, and that's what willis is. I think you'll find it difficult to argue that willis is worth that money. He's not. Period. End of question. I think the ravens will need to justify spending all those picks AND the money. This was a fantastic trade for an average and overrated player. It took McGahee less than a day to sign a new contract that is quite reasonable by NFL standards (just look at what the Bills are paying Dockery). The Bills could have signed him just as fast if they wanted him. It would not have taken 10 weeks into the regular season to get a deal done. It could have been done yesterday (as it was with the Ravens). This is just the Bills pr campaign to justify the deal.
Peter Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 I think the point is that Buffalo determined that Willis isn't worth that kind of $$. A guy who doesn't know the playbook on opening day isn't worth top 5 RB money - and that's what willis got. That is far from reasonable for an average RB, and that's what willis is. I think you'll find it difficult to argue that willis is worth that money. He's not. Period. End of question. I think the ravens will need to justify spending all those picks AND the money. This was a fantastic trade for an average and overrated player. We shall see just how "average" he is with the Ravens. You may want to compare what McGahee got to what the Bills are paying Dockery. As for the allegation that he did not know the playbook, I think that it is a bit sad that there appears to be a campaign to bad mouth him in the press to attempt to justify this deal -- which equates to essentially the same compensation as what the Bears got for Thomas Jones based on the NFL draft value chart. We shall see what happens.
stinky finger Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 I think the point is that Buffalo determined that Willis isn't worth that kind of $$. A guy who doesn't know the playbook on opening day isn't worth top 5 RB money - and that's what willis got. That is far from reasonable for an average RB, and that's what willis is. I think you'll find it difficult to argue that willis is worth that money. He's not. Period. End of question. I think the ravens will need to justify spending all those picks AND the money. This was a fantastic trade for an average and overrated player. Tough to argue ANY of this.
stuckincincy Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 I think the point is that Buffalo determined that Willis isn't worth that kind of $$. A guy who doesn't know the playbook on opening day isn't worth top 5 RB money - and that's what willis got. That is far from reasonable for an average RB, and that's what willis is. I think you'll find it difficult to argue that willis is worth that money. He's not. Period. End of question. I think the ravens will need to justify spending all those picks AND the money. This was a fantastic trade for an average and overrated player. I was surprised at the # of picks, too. But IIRC, BAL was up against the cap, so dumping Lewis along with what they would have to pay him and acquiring WMG might have been some sort of wash. Dunno. A good number of AFC north games are of course broadcast down here...Lewis didn't look very good, so BAL was going to do something. Adding in those picks - is sure seems that they overspent - as you mention.
Billsjunkie Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Lewis didn't look very good last year lol but he still outrushed Willis and had more TDs. So whats that say about Willis.....
TheZone78 Posted March 9, 2007 Author Posted March 9, 2007 It took McGahee less than a day to sign a new contract that is quite reasonable by NFL standards (just look at what the Bills are paying Dockery). The Bills could have signed him just as fast if they wanted him. It would not have taken 10 weeks into the regular season to get a deal done. It could have been done yesterday (as it was with the Ravens). This is just the Bills pr campaign to justify the deal. You can't convince me the Bills would have shelled out a 7 year 40 million dollar contract to a slightly above average back.
timmyk12 Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 You can't convince me the Bills would have shelled out a 7 year 40 million dollar contract to a slightly above average back. No way can anyone justify that Willis is an "above average back" He was extremely AVERAGE and wanted top rated money.
HurlyBurly51 Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 Nope, just said that him and Jauron abosolutely LOVE the A-Train. I expect the Bills to sign him any day now. Can I be the first to guess it will be for 4 years worth $10 million?
timmyk12 Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 We shall see just how "average" he is with the Ravens. You may want to compare what McGahee got to what the Bills are paying Dockery. As for the allegation that he did not know the playbook, I think that it is a bit sad that there appears to be a campaign to bad mouth him in the press to attempt to justify this deal -- which equates to essentially the same compensation as what the Bears got for Thomas Jones based on the NFL draft value chart. We shall see what happens. I think Willis WILL be an upgrade over Jamal Lewis, but you are mistaken in regards to compensation, the Jets deal equated to ONE 3rd round pick in the NFL draft value chart...the Bills received 2 thirds plus a 7th...
apuszczalowski Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 We shall see just how "average" he is with the Ravens. You may want to compare what McGahee got to what the Bills are paying Dockery. As for the allegation that he did not know the playbook, I think that it is a bit sad that there appears to be a campaign to bad mouth him in the press to attempt to justify this deal -- which equates to essentially the same compensation as what the Bears got for Thomas Jones based on the NFL draft value chart. We shall see what happens. Sorry Mrs. McGahee, we will be nice to your little boy and not hurt his feelings anymore. We should have protested hard to make sure he was in the ProBowl while here cause he is the best RB in the league, he even said so himself (and now the rest of the national media is saying it too)
apuszczalowski Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 I think Willis WILL be an upgrade over Jamal Lewis, but you are mistaken in regards to compensation, the Jets deal equated to ONE 3rd round pick in the NFL draft value chart...the Bills received 2 thirds plus a 7th... I was just thinking that, How could 2 - 3rds and a 7th equal swapping picks in the second round? Will Willis be an upgrade for Baltimore, probably, Lewis is banged up and running out of gas. Baltimore s a good team and their line should make him run for over 1,000 yards. Was it a good move for both teams? Of course. He wasn't doing anything in Buffalo except tell us he's the best, and then save that for when they play the jets, (otherwise he became average) and he wanted top money. Buffalo gets a bunch of picks to continue rebuilding their team and compensation for a player who was in the final year of his contract and probably would not have re-signed next offseason.
Peter Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 I think Willis WILL be an upgrade over Jamal Lewis, but you are mistaken in regards to compensation, the Jets deal equated to ONE 3rd round pick in the NFL draft value chart...the Bills received 2 thirds plus a 7th... Based on the NFL draft value chart, the value of what we received equates to 259 points. The value of what the Bears received equates to 246 points.
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