billybob Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 Not picking ngata was stupid and McCargo was a reach- the rest of the draft was great.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 #1. Kelsay didn't get "huge" money. He got what's about right for the market given the inflation of NFL salaries and the cap. The fact that he got most of it up front makes it look skewed. #2. We played with two rookie safeties basically all season and yet were not repeatedly torched for long touchdown passes or 70 yard TD runs. That doesn't happen. Nobody plays two rookies back there. Thus - I conclude that if both Simpson and Whitner don't improve even a little bit ever again we will at least have gotten two good starting safeties. It's more likely that they will, in fact, be better this season since most players improve (at least a little)with league experience. #3. Just because Mel Kiper and John Clayton say someone will be available at spot #15 doesn't mean they will be. According to them McCargo should have been available for the Giants - he wasn't and they got stuck with a guy they didn't really want out of need. Just because we move down to #15 and collect another second day pick (who's success rate is minute to begin with) doesn't preclude anothe team from choosing him or moving up in front of us to select that player once he becomes a "value" pick at #14. This whole slotting thing is asinine.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 Not picking ngata was stupid and McCargo was a reach- the rest of the draft was great. Whether you like it or not there are two facts re: Ngata. First, he doesn't fit the defense we play - love it or hate it that's fact. Second, there's a Haloti Ngata (6'4" 337 lbs) every year, this year his name is Alan Branch (6'6" 330lbs). Will you be pissed if we have a shot at both and take Okoye who is 6' 2" and around 300 lbs because he fits our defense better? If you wouldn't be pissed with that why not? What's the difference between passing on Ngata for a player who fits our plan better in Whitner and passing on someone who is similar to Ngata because the other guy (Okoye) fits our plan better?
Dawgg Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 #1. Kelsay didn't get "huge" money. He got what's about right for the market given the inflation of NFL salaries and the cap. The fact that he got most of it up front makes it look skewed. Compared to what a safety of his caliber would get, he DID get huge money. That's not to say the Bills overpaid for him... it's just pointing out the general fact that good DL's are more expensive and harder to find than good safeties. #2. We played with two rookie safeties basically all season and yet were not repeatedly torched for long touchdown passes or 70 yard TD runs. That doesn't happen. Nobody plays two rookies back there. Thus - I conclude that if both Simpson and Whitner don't improve even a little bit ever again we will at least have gotten two good starting safeties. It's more likely that they will, in fact, be better this season since most players improve (at least a little)with league experience. Yes, we got 2 starting safeties. Ko Simpson may be fast, but he didn't show a whole lot his rookie year. In fact, he was pretty bad. He took bad angles to the ball, often resulting in runs turning into long gains and significant YAC for opposing receivers. Whitner was pretty horrific against tight ends in coverage... with that being said, both are rookies and will improve over time. #3. Just because Mel Kiper and John Clayton say someone will be available at spot #15 doesn't mean they will be. According to them McCargo should have been available for the Giants - he wasn't and they got stuck with a guy they didn't really want out of need. Just because we move down to #15 and collect another second day pick (who's success rate is minute to begin with) doesn't preclude anothe team from choosing him or moving up in front of us to select that player once he becomes a "value" pick at #14. This whole slotting thing is asinine. If you trade down to the middle of the first round, you get an extra FIRST day pick, not second day pick. Remember -- when Donahoe traded the #14 overall and moved down to #21, he aquired an extra 2nd and 4th roud pick. With those picks, we got Clements & Travis Henry. Instead, the Bills stuck tight and targetted their guy and got Whitner. Fine... but when you are operating in a deep draft and you are in a rebuilding situation, you simply don't marry yourself to a single player. The Bills made that mistake.
billybob Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 Whether you like it or not there are two facts re: Ngata. First, he doesn't fit the defense we play - love it or hate it that's fact. Second, there's a Haloti Ngata (6'4" 337 lbs) every year, this year his name is Alan Branch (6'6" 330lbs). Will you be pissed if we have a shot at both and take Okoye who is 6' 2" and around 300 lbs because he fits our defense better? If you wouldn't be pissed with that why not? What's the difference between passing on Ngata for a player who fits our plan better in Whitner and passing on someone who is similar to Ngata because the other guy (Okoye) fits our plan better? If you mean he doesn't fit with DTs that get pushed around like a shopping cart I guess you're right.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 If you trade down to the middle of the first round, you get an extra FIRST day pick, not second day pick. Remember -- when Donahoe traded the #14 overall and moved down to #21, he aquired an extra 2nd and 4th roud pick. To use an example that's a little more current. Last season we gave up a #3 pick to move up 15 spots into the end of round one (apart from the #1 pick for #2 pick swap - we're talking extra picks) To move from 8 to 15 would have dropped us back seven spots. It cost us a three to move up 15 spots but somewhere we'd have gotten an extra two AND four (which is a day 2 pick BTW) to drop back 7? At best we'd have gotten an extra mid level three and like a 6, but no way were we going to get a 2 and 4 to drop back 7 spots in the same year it only cost a three to move up 15.
Sen. John Blutarsky Posted March 2, 2007 Posted March 2, 2007 If you mean he doesn't fit with DTs that get pushed around like a shopping cart I guess you're right. Yeah, that's what I meant Got anything pithy and poignant for point #2 re: a guy like Ngata being around every year or are you going to pass on that?
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