My First Post here

[Dawgg]

I am kind of confused. I haven't been following the election as closesly as I would like. However, every single one of my friends and colleagues is a staunch Kerry supporter. Most feel this way due to an utter hatred towards GW Bush. Now I notice that on this board, I would say that Bush has the majority. That said, I would really appreciate it if you guys could help me here.

 

WHY SHOULD I NOT VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY?

 

Please, no insults against Kerry's personalitiy or his flip flopping, etc... what I would love to hear are some deficiencies in Kerry's policy. If you could point me to resources, that would be great too.

 

I'm just trying to educate myself here. Thanks very much!

[GG]

Please, no insults against Kerry's personalitiy or his flip flopping, etc... what I would love to hear are some deficiencies in Kerry's policy.  If you could point me to resources,  that would be great too.

 

 

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No fair. "Flip-flopping" is a major issue, because it can give you a sense of Kerry's populist streak, which is very dangerous for a President.

 

As to the policy, my best read after 6 months of campaiging is - "I'm still not Bush, and look at all the bright minds from the Clinton administration that are ready to come back."

[nobody]

I don't know if it is possible to actually learn from this list. You will have to try to find the facts hidden among the many so called answers from extremists on both sides. Good luck! Vote what you believe in.

[Buftex]

I am kind of confused. I haven't been following the election as closesly as I would like.  However, every single one of my friends and colleagues is a staunch Kerry supporter.  Most feel this way due to an utter hatred towards GW Bush.  Now I notice that on this board, I would say that Bush has the majority.  That said, I would really appreciate it if you guys could help me here.

 

WHY SHOULD I NOT VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY?

 

Please, no insults against Kerry's personalitiy or his flip flopping, etc... what I would love to hear are some deficiencies in Kerry's policy.  If you could point me to resources,  that would be great too.

 

I'm just trying to educate myself here. Thanks very much!

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Dawwg, assuming your post is serious, this is the last place you should come to for an education....

[Rich in Ohio]

Dawwg, assuming your post is serious, this is the last place you should come to for an education....

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No offense, but any person who is so called undecided at this point........

 

should be shot.

[KD in CA]

You don't need anyone's opinion but your own. You just need to do some research (as another poster found out, it's best not to ask the board to do your homework for you )

 

Go search the web for Kerry's voting record for the past 19 years. Read it and decide how close his votes (not his campaign rhetoric and not the inane rambling of the hate-Bush crowd) match to your beliefs. If you like what he's done for the past 19 years more than you like what Bush has done, vote for him. If not, vote for Bush. If you don't like either of them, vote for another candidate like Badnarik, Nader, or our own KRC.

 

It's just that simple.

[Dawgg]

Thanks. It's hard to sift through what's true and what's not.

 

That's the only reason I thought some people might be able to offer some insight. I will withdraw my request and do my own thing.

 

You don't need anyone's opinion but your own.  You just need to do some research (as another poster found out, it's best not to ask the board to do your homework for you  )

 

Go search the web for Kerry's voting record for the past 19 years.  Read it and decide how close his votes (not his campaign rhetoric and not the inane rambling of the hate-Bush crowd) match to your beliefs.  If you like what he's done for the past 19 years more than you like what Bush has done, vote for him.  If not, vote for Bush.  If you don't like either of them, vote for another candidate like Badnarik, Nader, or our own KRC.

 

It's just that simple.

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[Captain America]

I am kind of confused. I haven't been following the election as closesly as I would like.  However, every single one of my friends and colleagues is a staunch Kerry supporter.  Most feel this way due to an utter hatred towards GW Bush.  Now I notice that on this board, I would say that Bush has the majority.  That said, I would really appreciate it if you guys could help me here.

 

WHY SHOULD I NOT VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY?

 

Please, no insults against Kerry's personalitiy or his flip flopping, etc... what I would love to hear are some deficiencies in Kerry's policy.  If you could point me to resources,  that would be great too.

 

I'm just trying to educate myself here. Thanks very much!

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Well you could start off by getting some new friends. My guess is your friends are young. Over and above that, does it makes sense for some one you really do not know much about just because you hate some one .

Kerry would have you believe he in line with the 'average' man , of which the combined income of him and his wife is 6.8 million a year at a tax rate of 12 percent which is below the average citizen. I also feel you were not around during the Viet Nam era or were very young. I will admit that Kerry served in Veit Nam and admirably , however upon is return led protests against the war, also his rght as a citizen , but he also critized the military personnel for atrocities during the war which, in fact the war was still on and Prisones of war were still in enemy custody ,at the very least is a large error judgment.

And when you vote for Bush you will be able to tell your friends you voted for the winner and the majority of Americans voted that way too and thats really is all this is about. Do you really want to be associated with a party and its supporters that are about all hate?

[Dawgg]

I take it you're against gun control?

 

 

 

No offense, but any person who is so called undecided at this point........

 

should be shot. 

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[KD in CA]

Thanks. It's hard to sift through what's true and what's not.

 

That's the only reason I thought some people might be able to offer some insight.  I will withdraw my request and do my own thing.

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I didn't mean for you to take it that way (there was an inside joke in there). You are right, it is hard to sift through the b.s. and everyone's opinions. That's why I suggest you look at the VOTING record. The proof is in the pudding.....don't listen to the campaign b.s., look at what each candidate has actually DONE in the past.

 

Don't base your vote on your friends shaming you into one candidate or the other.

[Paco]

I'm very disappointed here. As people who are adamant about one side or the other, nothing is more important to either side right now than someone who is undecided, and to simply point them to websites or tell them they're ignorant is embarrassing.

 

Dawgg, I'm talking to a few undecideds right now, and I'll ask you the same thing I ask them before we discuss the issues.

 

What are your priorities? Terrorism? The economy? Health care? Taxes? Gay/lesbian marriage? Stem cell research? Our overseas relations?

 

The list goes on and on...but step one is prioritizing issues as they're important to you. And it's just not as simple as absorbing the talking points from either side...whether the libs are exhorting that Bush lied about WMD, or that Kerry is unable to better explain why he has changed his position so often. The reality is, a number of people on this board, on both sides of the coin, can help outline and debate where each candidate stands on the issues, but again, question number one must be: What are the issues that are important to you?

 

That gives a place to start the discussion.

[Dawgg]

Thanks. That was very helpful. And yes, you are right. All of my friends are in their mid-twenties (as I am myself).

 

 

Well you could start off by getting some new friends. My guess is your friends are young. Over and above that, does it makes sense for some one you really do not know much about  just because you hate some one .

Kerry would have you believe he in line with the 'average' man , of which the combined income of him and his wife is 6.8 million a year at a tax rate of 12 percent which is below the average citizen. I also feel you were not around during the Viet Nam era or were very young. I will admit that Kerry served in  Veit Nam and admirably , however upon is return led protests against the war,  also his rght as a citizen , but he also critized the military personnel for atrocities during the war which, in fact the war was still on and Prisones of war were still in enemy custody ,at the very least is a large error  judgment.

And when you vote for Bush you will be able to tell your friends you voted for the winner and the majority of Americans voted that way too and thats really is all this is about. Do you really want to be associated with a party and its supporters that are about all hate?

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WHY SHOULD I NOT VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY?

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1. Kerry will raise taxes on small business and, I believe, everyone else.

2. Kerry's plans for medicare and other issues, while reducing the deficit, are simply impossible with current governemnt revenue.

3. Kerry tells you what you want to hear, and has more money for just about everyone - money that simply doesn't exist.

4. Kerry wants a 'global test' on issues of America going to war in self defense or otherwise. Implied are larger role for France and Germany i the conduct of US international affairs.

5. Kerry will align himself more with current Euopean (socialist) governments in his approach to the economy, entitlement programs and general pacifism toward dealing with world threats.

6. Kerry, by virtue of his voting record, is the, or one of the most liberal "tax and spend' liberals in Congress.

7. Kerry lacks the convictions and certainty to be CIC. Attacked Howard Dean's anti war stance to win the Dem primaries. He is now against the war. He was also against the 1st Gulf war. He basicly beleives whatever it takes to get elected.

 

Of course you may find some of this list a reason to vote for him...

[Albany,n.y.]

You shouldn't vote for Kerry because:

 

Judges such as Scalia & Thomas should have the final say in whether a woman can have an abortion. They know more than she does, so why should she have the right of choice. Only rich women who can afford to travel to Europe should have that right. The rest should risk death like the middle class & poor women had to 40 years ago. Abortion is murder, your only choice is elect Bush & hope he can nominate enough conservative judges to overturn Roe v Wade.

 

A tax cut, which mostly benefits those making over $200,000 is more important than bringing down the deficit, and keeping us from increasing port inspections. You better vote for Bush, because mean John Kerry will raise those people's taxes.

 

If someone can review a situation, once a decision has been made and change his mind based on the facts, it's flip flopping. John Kerry will not "stay the course" if events warrant that the course is leading to disaster. Wouldn't you rather have the steadfast, stay the course, lets drive into the brick wall no matter what mindset.

 

A government must be super secretive, like we are now. The best way to keep the secrets, which is the right of the president, is to vote Bush.

 

Kerry is a Catholic, he's not a born again Christian. Only someone who has seen the light and been born again should be elected president.

 

Kerry might hesitate to go to war against what appears to be a power who may not have the capabilities that we all believe it has, if he gets reports from inspectors that they may not have those capabilities to harm us. Wouldn't you rather have a President who will kick out inspectors from a country because if we don't, the weather will get too hot and we'll have to wait another year. The best defense is a good offense.

[Kelly the Dog]

I didn't mean for you to take it that way (there was an inside joke in there).  You are right, it is hard to sift through the b.s. and everyone's opinions.  That's why I suggest you look at the VOTING record.  The proof is in the pudding.....don't listen to the campaign b.s., look at what each candidate has actually DONE in the past.

 

Don't base your vote on your friends shaming you into one candidate or the other.

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Unless you know what was exactly in each vote, what the timing was, who was making deals with who, what the pork was, what the implications were, what the exact language was, what the beef was, and what the history of that particular bill was, and what was said about the vote at the time, the actual vote yea or nay doesn't give you a very good indication whatsoever about a senator's particular view on the broad subject.

 

It turns out that many of the "higher taxes" votes that the Bush campaign has continually accused Kerry of voting for in his Senate record were actually votes to lower taxes, they just weren't as low as some Republicans wanted them, so they happened to include them in the "higher taxes" votes.

[Rich in Ohio]

I take it you're against gun control?   

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Well you are correct, i am against gun control but that was not the point of my post.

 

My point was that anyone who is that stupid should be shot. Plain and simple. Clean the gene pool.

[nobody]

3.  Kerry tells you what you want to hear, and has more money for just about everyone - money that simply doesn't exist.

 

 

Just on this one point - what do you think is occuring right now in this country? We all are living with the largest deficits of all time. That means the goverment is spending more money then it takes in. It is spending more then ever before in US history "money that simply doesn't exist" . I don't care which side you lean towards but this is not sound fiscal policy for any side. Each year of deficit means more of the next budget must go towards paying down the debt which takes away money for everything else.

[Paco]

Just on this one point - what do you think is occuring right now in this country?  We all are living with the largest deficits of all time.  That means the goverment is spending more money then it takes in.  It is spending more then ever before in US history "money that simply doesn't exist" .  I don't care which side you lean towards but this is not sound fiscal policy for any side.  Each year of deficit means more of the next budget must go towards paying down the debt which takes away money for everything else.

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Nobody, please remember that the actual dollar amount is the highest it has ever been. In terms of how that amount plays against other economic factors, it is absolutely, positively, NOWHERE near WWII levels. Checks the facts on this. Only the number is high, not the percentage. What you are saying is very misleading.

[KRC]

I am kind of confused. I haven't been following the election as closesly as I would like.  However, every single one of my friends and colleagues is a staunch Kerry supporter.  Most feel this way due to an utter hatred towards GW Bush.  Now I notice that on this board, I would say that Bush has the majority.  That said, I would really appreciate it if you guys could help me here.

 

WHY SHOULD I NOT VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY?

 

Please, no insults against Kerry's personalitiy or his flip flopping, etc... what I would love to hear are some deficiencies in Kerry's policy.  If you could point me to resources,  that would be great too.

 

I'm just trying to educate myself here. Thanks very much!

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Well, I have sworn off posting on this board, but I will break my silence this one time since you are asking an honest question.

 

IMO, you should not be asking the question "why should I not vote for Kerry?" I have never been a supporter of voting against a candidate, but voting for a specific person. Whenever I talk with candidates, I say to them, "Don't tell me why I should vote against your opponent, but tell me why I should vote for you." If they cannot do that, then I cannot support that candidate. They are not telling me what they will do for me, just ripping their opponent. This is a good indicator that they really have no convictions or plans for the future, just "vote for me because I am not the other guy."

 

Paco makes a good point. You should prioritize what is important to you. Then see how the candidate feels about those issues. The main thing you have to do, is get past the campaign rhetoric. It is extremely difficult to find non-biased sources, but for Senator Kerry, just go to http://www.senate.gov to check on his voting record and for his speeches in front of the Senate. His speeches will give you a better indication of his beliefs, since voting records are not always a good indicator of the candidates position (he could be voting against something in the bill, but may be in favor of other parts) For Bush, look at the legislation he has proposed. Do not look at the final bills, but the proposed legislation. The final legislation may be a compromise, and not a true indication of his positions.

 

I can give you many reasons why Kerry and Bush should not get your vote, but they may not be reasons that are important to you.

 

I hope that this helps.

[Dawgg]

I'm pretty confident that I'm smarter than you ever will be so that's a moot point.

 

OK I'm done posting jabs at someone else on an internet msg board

 

Well you are correct, i am against gun control but that was not the point of my post.

 

My point was that anyone who is that stupid should be shot. Plain and simple. Clean the gene pool.

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