Lori Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 C'mon PIA - while our offense was busy punting, Pennington and Chrebet were playing a nice game of pitch-and-catch. 31/42, that's a 73.8 completion %, and Gannon and Brady both did the same thing. 85/135 for the season - that's almost a 63% completion rate against us, and that stinks. Darn straight, if the offense could score more than 10 points, we win at least a couple of those games. Nobody's letting them off the hook for their part in this. But too many times this season, I've seen the other team go right down the field whenever they needed to. And you can't blame it on them being on the field too long, because the Bills are actually averaging over 30:00 in time-of-possesion. I was out on the line, listening to the game when Bledsoe hit Evans. After a nervous moment waiting for Lindell's XP attempt, I let out a whoop and told the guy I was working with "yeah - we're actually WINNING! ..... But there's still lots of time left for Pennington to drive down to a FG....." Seen it happen too many times with this D.
***PetrinoInAlbany*** Posted October 11, 2004 Author Posted October 11, 2004 C'mon PIA - while our offense was busy punting, Pennington and Chrebet were playing a nice game of pitch-and-catch. 31/42, that's a 73.8 completion %, and Gannon and Brady both did the same thing. 85/135 for the season - that's almost a 63% completion rate against us, and that stinks. Darn straight, if the offense could score more than 10 points, we win at least a couple of those games. Nobody's letting them off the hook for their part in this. But too many times this season, I've seen the other team go right down the field whenever they needed to. And you can't blame it on them being on the field too long, because the Bills are actually averaging over 30:00 in time-of-possesion. I was out on the line, listening to the game when Bledsoe hit Evans. After a nervous moment waiting for Lindell's XP attempt, I let out a whoop and told the guy I was working with "yeah - we're actually WINNING! ..... But there's still lots of time left for Pennington to drive down to a FG....." Seen it happen too many times with this D. 65266[/snapback] I may be in the minority here, but I'm not backing down. An optimist, like me, might have looked at the schedule before opening day and reasonably said, "We will probably lose to the Pats, but we COULD be 3-1 after our first four!" Now, if I told that person that in the other three games, we'd hold our oppenents to 13, 13, and 14 points, even a PESSIMIST would have predicted a better record than 0-4. The D is playing well enough to produce a winning record. (See original post ... only a handful of teams are giving up as few POINTS as we are, and they're ALL in the league's undefeated or one-loss ranks.) The DEFENSE is fine... outstanding, actually. And the OFFENSE doesn't belong in the NFL.
The Jokeman Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 The defense is giving up 18.25 per game this year opposed to 17.43 last year.The offense is giving scoring 12.75 this year opposed to 15.19 last year. Yes, the defense might not be as good as the points they gave up last year and has had trouble stopping teams in the last few minutes of games. Yet to squarely place the blame on the defense is irresponsible. You cite the Bills having a horrible pass defense, according to Yahoo! it ranks 17th best in the NFL, which is middle of the pack. FYI Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlanta and Minnesota are a few teams that rank lower, true some like Philly and Minny are skewed because their offenses are forcing their opponents to pass more since behind a lot (see Minny's game against Houston yesterday) but Atlanta and Baltimore's offense haven't been puting up tons of points this year but they have put up enough to give each a winning record. Look at the NFL Standings, almost every team that has a record above .500 has averaged more then 18 points a game, I said it in the preseason and still maintain if the Bills offense could put up 17 points a game there's no reason they couldn't win every game on the schedule this true which holds true minus the Patriots game. 65265[/snapback] I was Guest here too, *note to self check to see if logged in first*
CentralVaBills Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 I may be in the minority here, but I'm not backing down. An optimist, like me, might have looked at the schedule before opening day and reasonably said, "We will probably lose to the Pats, but we COULD be 3-1 after our first four!" Now, if I told that person that in the other three games, we'd hold our oppenents to 13, 13, and 14 points, even a PESSIMIST would have predicted a better record than 0-4. The D is playing well enough to produce a winning record. (See original post ... only a handful of teams are giving up as few POINTS as we are, and they're ALL in the league's undefeated or one-loss ranks.) The DEFENSE is fine... outstanding, actually. And the OFFENSE doesn't belong in the NFL. 65289[/snapback] You've gotta be kidding me....again..... Jax - offense is every bit as bad as ours, and have been stopped by everyone this year. We were the only team that coudn't stop them when it counted. Oak - Bad team period. Have also been shut down by everyone, and their QB's have been awful. NE - Torched us, period. NY - Ummmmm, pretty much had their way with our D. Sputtered a bit by shooting themselves in the foot a few times, and also executed a lot of passes while hitting WIDE OPEN WR's. They also also, moved it with ease in crunch time. AGAIN!
***PetrinoInAlbany*** Posted October 11, 2004 Author Posted October 11, 2004 You've gotta be kidding me....again..... Jax - offense is every bit as bad as ours, and have been stopped by everyone this year. We were the only team that coudn't stop them when it counted. Oak - Bad team period. Have also been shut down by everyone, and their QB's have been awful. NE - Torched us, period. NY - Ummmmm, pretty much had their way with our D. Sputtered a bit by shooting themselves in the foot a few times, and also executed a lot of passes while hitting WIDE OPEN WR's. They also also, moved it with ease in crunch time. AGAIN! 65299[/snapback] ---- WHAT?!?!? - - The Jags went 3-0 on last moment heroics, so apparently "stopping them" late in games was a bit tricky. We were trying to win while scoring ten points on offense... - - Oakland, bad team, period. So bad that St. Francis' offense would've scored 21 or 28 on them. We were trying to win while scoring ten points on offense ... - - New England, best team in NFL. We were trying to win while scoring ten points on offense ... - - I see a pattern. Do you?
Lori Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 You've gotta be kidding me....again..... Jax - offense is every bit as bad as ours, and have been stopped by everyone this year. We were the only team that coudn't stop them when it counted. Oak - Bad team period. Have also been shut down by everyone, and their QB's have been awful. NE - Torched us, period. NY - Ummmmm, pretty much had their way with our D. Sputtered a bit by shooting themselves in the foot a few times, and also executed a lot of passes while hitting WIDE OPEN WR's. They also also, moved it with ease in crunch time. AGAIN! 65299[/snapback] You might want to rethink your stance on Jax - Leftwich has thrown for over 300 yards in each of the last two weeks, and their offense is averaging two TDs/game. Even considering the last-drive meltdown, Leftwich's WORST game of the season was against the Bills.
CentralVaBills Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 ---- WHAT?!?!? - - The Jags went 3-0 on last moment heroics, so apparently "stopping them" late in games was a bit tricky. We were trying to win while scoring ten points on offense... - - Oakland, bad team, period. So bad that St. Francis' offense would've scored 21 or 28 on them. We were trying to win while scoring ten points on offense ... - - New England, best team in NFL. We were trying to win while scoring ten points on offense ... - - I see a pattern. Do you? 65312[/snapback] No I don't see a pattern. Jacksonville's offense is brutal. Pure and simple. And we let them go right down the field AND SCORE ON US AT HOME in crunch time. Outstanding D's don't do that. Period. Oakland........We just proved we are a bad team outright, when we looked like crap against them. NE - TORCHED US AT HOME. OUTSTANDING defenses rarely get torched, especially at home. And especially when we had clear momentum in that game numerous times. And the Jets.............they had their way with us. They got sloppy, and it seemed we were so bad, we kind of lulled them to sleep. When they had to produce, and when they received a wake-up call, they SHREDDED our D. In crunch time...AGAIN. It's not like this hasn't happened before. This D has a a PATTERN of collapsing in crunch time, or on big plays. All of you geniuses wanted a smash mouth, grit it out, win with defense football team. And with that type of approach, you need a D that can win it, when it's in their hands late. And this D has collapsed over and over with games on the line.
Guest Big D Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Another way of looking at how average this defense is...... JAX maybe has a worse offense than we do, if that's possible, Oakland is a bad team, NE torched us, and the Jets pretty much had their way with us, shooting themselves in the foot a couple of times. This defense is NOT one of the best in the league. 65169[/snapback] The defense has folded when it counted the most. The defense still doesn't record sacks or turnovers or win any games for you. A-1 defense? I don't think so. How about C+ ?
CentralVaBills Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 You might want to rethink your stance on Jax - Leftwich has thrown for over 300 yards in each of the last two weeks, and their offense is averaging two TDs/game. Even considering the last-drive meltdown, Leftwich's WORST game of the season was against the Bills. 65328[/snapback] Leftwich has thrown for over 300 yards the last two games becasue they were losing late. Pure and simple. Watch them play. They are painful on offense. And Leftwich is a QB with a TON of limitations.
CentralVaBills Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 You might want to rethink your stance on Jax - Leftwich has thrown for over 300 yards in each of the last two weeks, and their offense is averaging two TDs/game. Even considering the last-drive meltdown, Leftwich's WORST game of the season was against the Bills. 65328[/snapback] If I'm not mistaken, he also got those yards against the Colts and Chargers. Those teams on defense are self-explanatory!
cale Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Hi PIA This defense is one dimensional at best. Our pass D simply sucks. Posey made a play yesterday. I thought Fletcher played his best game ever in a Bills uni. But really this unit is inconsistent. If I was an opposition Off. Coord. I'd run a negative yards running play on 1st down. Take a knee on second down. And throw a 3rd down conversion for 1st. That's how bad our pass D is. It stems from a lack of pressure up front and right now a really young secondary. But even before with Milloy in here, we were experiencing the same symptoms. Again, I think the biggest off season non-move (and I blame Donahoe for this) is not getting a vet DE to help out on obvious passing downs. No, Gildon wasn't it...Somebody like a Chad Bratzke is better than the young, improving but generally ineffective pass rushers we have. I think we would have at least 2 games in the "W" column, if we had better pass rushers. Charles
Lori Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 If I'm not mistaken, he also got those yards against the Colts and Chargers. Those teams on defense are self-explanatory! 65341[/snapback] So our defense isn't that good, but it's better than the Colts and Chargers. I can buy that. I'm afraid that goes back to PIA's point, though - Chargers have scored at least 20 points in four of five games this season, Colts in 5-of-5. And combined, they're 7-3. So scoring more than 10 points/game on offense does have its advantages....
CentralVaBills Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 So our defense isn't that good, but it's better than the Colts and Chargers. I can buy that. I'm afraid that goes back to PIA's point, though - Chargers have scored at least 20 points in four of five games this season, Colts in 5-of-5. And combined, they're 7-3. So scoring more than 10 points/game on offense does have its advantages.... 65357[/snapback] Ummmmmmm, except that we aren't an offensive built team. We are the supposed, smash mouth, grit it out, and win with defense kind of team. And this defense CHOKES every time the game is handed to them with a late lead. It doesn't matter if we are up 10-9, 14-13 or 44-43. We are built to be a power offense-defense oriented team. And this defense fails at it over and over and over.
Lori Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Ummmmmmm, except that we aren't an offensive built team. We are the supposed, smash mouth, grit it out, and win with defense kind of team. And this defense CHOKES every time the game is handed to them with a late lead. It doesn't matter if we are up 10-9, 14-13 or 44-43. We are built to be a power offense-defense oriented team. And this defense fails at it over and over and over. 65369[/snapback] Preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned, CVB. I don't disagree. But while I take issue with PIA's calling this an "A-1 defensive season", I also concede his point that the offense has to get off its collective dead butts and do something, too. Plenty of blame to go around.
CentralVaBills Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned, CVB. I don't disagree. But while I take issue with PIA's calling this an "A-1 defensive season", I also concede his point that the offense has to get off its collective dead butts and do something, too. Plenty of blame to go around. 65395[/snapback] No doubt, but alot of cap money is sunk into this defense, eating at the salary cap. So WIN ME A FRIGGIN GAME ONE TIME ON DEFENSE when it's on the line with the lead. One fuggin time. It hasn't happened. And no Bills fan has any confidence that it will happen. We all knew what would happen yesterday. All of us.
cåblelady Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Preaching to the choir as far as I'm concerned, CVB. I don't disagree. But while I take issue with PIA's calling this an "A-1 defensive season", I also concede his point that the offense has to get off its collective dead butts and do something, too. Plenty of blame to go around. 65395[/snapback] JUST WIN! baby.
Roger Goodell Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 You must be high. The defense got pushed all over field yesterday.
YOOOOOO Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Fellas lets remember one thing here....The only reason The Bills were in this game was because of our defense.... Now we dont have a great Defense but we have a very good one....I think were #2 in the league in Red Zone D....and 5th in points allowed.... And please stop low balling our D by saying the Jets shot Themselves in the foot, Blah! Blah! Blah!.... The reason they shot themselves in the foot was because our Defense.... This Thread is filled with double standards....Oh the Jags Defense, well thats a great defense....HUH?? Didnt Denver shot themselves in the foot by fumbling on there game winning drive?? Didnt Jags D get bailed out in the Bills game by a stupid holding penalty?? Didnt they just get torched for 34 points by SD.... C'mon now we got a Good Defense here...Now if the offense can get its stevestojan together and score...We might win a game...
CentralVaBills Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Fellas lets remember one thing here....The only reason The Bills were in this game was because of our defense....Now we dont have a great Defense but we have a very good one....I think were #2 in the league in Red Zone D....and 5th in points allowed.... And please stop low balling our D by saying the Jets shot Themselves in the foot, Blah! Blah! Blah!.... The reason they shot themselves in the foot was because our Defense.... This Thread is filled with double standards....Oh the Jags Defense, well thats a great defense....HUH?? Didnt Denver shot themselves in the foot by fumbling on there game winning drive?? Didnt Jags D get bailed out in the Bills game by a stupid holding penalty?? Didnt they just get torched for 34 points by SD.... C'mon now we got a Good Defense here...Now if the offense can get its stevestojan together and score...We might win a game... 65440[/snapback] Was that the reason? Cuz the defense kept us in it? How come like 90% of the people didn't see it that way? Did the JEts shoot themselves in the foot? I don't know.....could it be that Pennigton's AWFUL pass right to Posey when he should have eaten it and they would have kept marching. Or maybe the play in which the Bills were torched on, when Prioleau punched the ball out of the JEts hands and we got it back. Kind of see how the Jets think they underachieved by not scoring 30 points? Shooting themselves in the foot with a brain cramp by Pennington, and a dumb NON conver up of the ball by a WR. The defense was awful yesterday. They were awful against NE. They choked against JAX Yeah, keep telling me how good they are.
YOOOOOO Posted October 11, 2004 Posted October 11, 2004 Was that the reason? Cuz the defense kept us in it? How come like 90% of the people didn't see it that way? Did the JEts shoot themselves in the foot? I don't know.....could it be that Pennigton's AWFUL pass right to Posey when he should have eaten it and they would have kept marching. Or maybe the play in which the Bills were torched on, when Prioleau punched the ball out of the JEts hands and we got it back. 65477[/snapback] Thats usually how teams turn the ball over isnt it...Someone makes a mistake and the defense is in the right position to capitalize on it... Baker caught a reception over the middle tried to gain extra YAC and Clements made a heads up play by punching the ball out of his hands.... Pennington had pressure in his face got the ball off trying to hit Martin and he overthrew him right into Posey's hands.... These are how turnovers happen....
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