bills_fan Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I wonder why everyone believes that Ian Scott or Amobi Okoye are the answer for our run D? Neither is very big, with Scott at 302 and Okoye at 287 (per the senior bowl). Neither appears strong enough to hold the point of attack against two OL, a la Pat Williams. Also, we have the "3 technique guy" covered in our Tampa 2 scheme. Those guys are Triplett and McCargo. We do not have a run stuffing nose tackle. Kyle Williams is a decent rotation player but certainly will not take on two blockers. The best solution I see out there is DT Terdell Sands. 6'7", 335 lbs. Thats a run-stuffer. Playing him next to a guy like Triplett or McCargo will only make them more effective. A rotation of Sands, Triplett, McCargo and Williams would be very effective and make our MLB (whoever it is) that much more effective. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I wonder why everyone believes that Ian Scott or Amobi Okoye are the answer for our run D? Neither is very big, with Scott at 302 and Okoye at 287 (per the senior bowl). Neither appears strong enough to hold the point of attack against two OL, a la Pat Williams. Also, we have the "3 technique guy" covered in our Tampa 2 scheme. Those guys are Triplett and McCargo. We do not have a run stuffing nose tackle. Kyle Williams is a decent rotation player but certainly will not take on two blockers. The best solution I see out there is DT Terdell Sands. 6'7", 335 lbs. Thats a run-stuffer. Playing him next to a guy like Triplett or McCargo will only make them more effective. A rotation of Sands, Triplett, McCargo and Williams would be very effective and make our MLB (whoever it is) that much more effective. Am I missing something? just who is this 6'7'' 335 "human" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obie_wan Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I wonder why everyone believes that Ian Scott or Amobi Okoye are the answer for our run D? Neither is very big, with Scott at 302 and Okoye at 287 (per the senior bowl). Neither appears strong enough to hold the point of attack against two OL, a la Pat Williams. Also, we have the "3 technique guy" covered in our Tampa 2 scheme. Those guys are Triplett and McCargo. We do not have a run stuffing nose tackle. Kyle Williams is a decent rotation player but certainly will not take on two blockers. The best solution I see out there is DT Terdell Sands. 6'7", 335 lbs. Thats a run-stuffer. Playing him next to a guy like Triplett or McCargo will only make them more effective. A rotation of Sands, Triplett, McCargo and Williams would be very effective and make our MLB (whoever it is) that much more effective. Am I missing something? Sands looked real effective against the Colts in teh Super Bowl. I 'd spend a lot on him. The Bills are not looking for a massive player to play DT. They want someone that can penetrate and disrupt plays behind the line of scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nichebiche Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Sands looked real effective against the Colts in teh Super Bowl. I 'd spend a lot on him. The Bills are not looking for a massive player to play DT. They want someone that can penetrate and disrupt plays behind the line of scrimmage. i didn't realize the Raiders played the Colts in the Super Bowl. no wonder Peyton won... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Sands looked real effective against the Colts in teh Super Bowl. I 'd spend a lot on him. The Bills are not looking for a massive player to play DT. They want someone that can penetrate and disrupt plays behind the line of scrimmage. Doesn't Sands play for the Raiders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Sands looked real effective against the Colts in teh Super Bowl. I 'd spend a lot on him. The Bills are not looking for a massive player to play DT. They want someone that can penetrate and disrupt plays behind the line of scrimmage. No, that was Scott and partially my point. Scott wasn't all that effective. Terdell Sands, on the other hand, helped the Raiders to have a very good run defense. In fact, Warren Sapp had his most effective season in years playing next to Sands. This is a guy who will definately help us, much moreso than Scott or any 19 year old kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Am I missing something? Well, our DC arrived last year an pronounced the Cover 2 as our new scheme. His preference is 2 lighter quicker penetrating DTs, not a space clagger upper. I haven't seen anything yet to lead me to believe that this philosophy has changed. I pray for a sign nightly, but I haven't seen it yet. And...don't count out Okoye when it comes to the ability to stop the run. He will blossom into a Mack Truck with butcher knives sticking out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I wonder why everyone believes that Ian Scott or Amobi Okoye are the answer for our run D? Neither is very big, with Scott at 302 and Okoye at 287 (per the senior bowl). Neither appears strong enough to hold the point of attack against two OL, a la Pat Williams. Also, we have the "3 technique guy" covered in our Tampa 2 scheme. Those guys are Triplett and McCargo. We do not have a run stuffing nose tackle. Kyle Williams is a decent rotation player but certainly will not take on two blockers. The best solution I see out there is DT Terdell Sands. 6'7", 335 lbs. Thats a run-stuffer. Playing him next to a guy like Triplett or McCargo will only make them more effective. A rotation of Sands, Triplett, McCargo and Williams would be very effective and make our MLB (whoever it is) that much more effective. Am I missing something? Just what we need. A guy named Terd on the team. What were his parents thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Just what we need. A guy named Terd on the team. What were his parents thinking? He should, at the very least, be good for clogging things up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 I actually would not be opposed to Sands....who I have seen play a bit as my wife is a Radas fan...... Sands does make plays....and has some size..... I just want the bills to forcibly address the situation and not sit on their hands......I hope McCargo puts Tripplet on the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStranger76 Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 People never seem to realize that players can add weight, especially DT's. Also, although rare, there have been guys around 295-305 who have been quality run-stuffers. I believe Okoye could be one of them and also think McCargo could bulk up to the 320-325 range if needed. I just want to add a good to great DT man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zac Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Look at Tommie Harris and Booger McFarland..both at 300. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrobot Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 There are good DT's in RD#1,2, and 3 that have speed and beef, if you're looking. RD#1 Alan Branch 6-6 325 JR Michigan - Either Okoye (the current draft darling) or Branch can fall to us, based on team needs of the first 11 drafting ahead of us. If they don't, it means a cornerback, running back or quarterback has fallen instead. Okoye doesn't have the beef, but he's a youngster who's still growing. He will be just as disruptive as Branch. RD#2 Quinn Pitcock 6-4 300 SR Ohio State RD#3 Louis Leonard 6-5 320 SR Fresno St. I'm beginning to think that (if we aren't sure on Branch or Okoye or are going mainly in the offensive direction this draft) you pick up FA Terdell Sands DT and go with him, McCargo, Tripplett, and Williams. Sands would be mainly used in 3rd and short, 4th and short, and goal to go. Ian Scott isn't any bigger than who we have. We also will move Denney in on occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Okoye's talent intrigues me, but if he's not at the top of Buffalo's list, I'd sooner see someone built along the lines of Jacksonville's tackles, Henderson (6-7, 328) and Stroud (6-6, 312). (Of course, so would approximately 31 other teams in the league. Those guys were both high first-round picks for a reason.) Sands is a possibility, but the Raiduhs would be incredibly stupid to let him walk. Waitaminute... in that case, there IS hope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frogger Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 In 13 games, in which he started 0 Sands had 37 tackles and one sack In his career 73 and 2 in 43 games I prefer trying to get randy Starks from tenn. he's younger, more athletic and makes more plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 No, that was Scott and partially my point. Scott wasn't all that effective. Terdell Sands, on the other hand, helped the Raiders to have a very good run defense. In fact, Warren Sapp had his most effective season in years playing next to Sands. This is a guy who will definately help us, much moreso than Scott or any 19 year old kid. Sands was drafted in the 7th Round of the 2001 by the Chiefs. He began his career in 2003 with the Raiders, who felt so highly of him that they released him in the middle of the season and he went to Green Bay. Granted they brought him back in 2004 and the rest they say is history. By contrast Scott was a 4th Round draft pick in 2003 and been with the Bears ever since. I'd like to know where you got the Raiders had a good run D last year as they ranked 25th in the NFL in rushing yards per game by contrast the Bears ranked 6th. In 2005 the Raiders ranked 25th and the Bears ranked 12th. In 2004 the Raiders ranked 22nd and the Bears ranked 25th. In 2003 The Raiders ranked 32nd and the Bears ranked 18th. Or in other words in 3 of their 4 year careers Scott's teams were better at defending the run. Perhaps a coincidence but to me evidence of who the better player is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Sands was drafted in the 7th Round of the 2001 by the Chiefs. He began his career in 2003 with the Raiders, who felt so highly of him that they released him in the middle of the season and he went to Green Bay. Granted they brought him back in 2004 and the rest they say is history. By contrast Scott was a 4th Round draft pick in 2003 and been with the Bears ever since. I'd like to know where you got the Raiders had a good run D last year as they ranked 25th in the NFL in rushing yards per game by contrast the Bears ranked 6th. In 2005 the Raiders ranked 25th and the Bears ranked 12th. In 2004 the Raiders ranked 22nd and the Bears ranked 25th. In 2003 The Raiders ranked 32nd and the Bears ranked 18th. Or in other words in 3 of their 4 year careers Scott's teams were better at defending the run. Perhaps a coincidence but to me evidence of who the better player is. Checkout the YPC average for run defense, not total yards given up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In space no one can hear Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Look at Tommie Harris and Booger McFarland..both at 300. Bingo. Leverage...leverage....leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Look at Tommie Harris and Booger McFarland..both at 300.Correct, but both guys penetrate and disrupt the play. Neitehr is a stay-at-home, take-on-2-blockers type of player. That type of player, Sands or Pat Williams, allows the rest of the D to make the play on the ball. Our MLB would not have to fight off a 330 lb G, the McCargo/Tripletts could try and beat their man one on one, without the double team. I know I'm oversimplifying, but you get the point. Jokeman, I use yards per carry allowed in evaluating a run D. Total yards is often a function of whether a team was way ahead or way behind a lot (ie killing the clock with a big lead, or abandoning the run game trying to catch up). Okoye's talent intrigues me, but if he's not at the top of Buffalo's list, I'd sooner see someone built along the lines of Jacksonville's tackles, Henderson (6-7, 328) and Stroud (6-6, 312). (Of course, so would approximately 31 other teams in the league. Those guys were both high first-round picks for a reason.) Sands is a possibility, but the Raiduhs would be incredibly stupid to let him walk. Waitaminute... in that case, there IS hope... Couldn't agree more. Either Stroud or Henderson a free agent any time soon?? Okoye does intrigue me, a 19 year old with big upside is impressive. But I wonder, 19 year old muscles are nowhere near as strong as 25-28 year old muscles. Will we just be developing Okoye for a big money deal elsewhere? How much will he really help in the near term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Okoye is one hell of a football player and will be easily playing at 300+ in the NFL. He would solidify the line for years to come and would almost certainly take care of the run defense problem (our biggest problem) next year. Free agents at corner and perhaps middle linebacker are a better bet than trying a rookie at either position. I say draft Okoye or Branch...and if we end up with Blaylock go with some like Harrel out of Tennessee in the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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