justnzane Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think it's funny we are getting so worked up trying to prove a crusader wrong. When his sole purpose is to volley a rock into a hornets nest and have fun at the mayhem. If he were here for true rational conversation, he would not present NFL players as mere chumps in the athletic stage. Take for example Ben Johnsons world breaking 1988 100 meter dash. When broken down, he covered the first 40 meters in 4.08 seconds. Bo Jackson fan a 4.12 40, Deion Sanders ran a 4.17, and even our pedestrian Lee Evans managed a 4.31. I would say that those times easily falls into world class stature. I wouldn't call gettin worked up, i'd call trying to heighten the situation... ie.) half of the crap i say on PPP when Holcomb's Arm is talking. My object is to make this person continuously make an ass out of himself/herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heels20X6 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I wouldn't call gettin worked up, i'd call trying to heighten the situation... ie.) half of the crap i say on PPP when Holcomb's Arm is talking. My object is to make this person continuously make an ass out of himself/herself. In all my time on the Wall, I've never called anyone a retard before. Times change. Blue on Blue, you are a retard. Kelly is right, you're lack of logic in dispelling American athletes ability on the global stage via a contrived arguement about team sports (most of your examples citing teams that are put together weeks prior to the event). Canada's dominance in hockey is a result of a nation built upon hockey and nothing else. Save for winter sports, what else are Canadians good at. Our performance in the World Baseball Classic mainly consisted of Canadian athletes trained in the American system (college, farm teams, MLB, etc). Canada plays football. I'm pretty sure the best CFL team couldn't beat the Houston Texans if we played 3 down football. When it comes to basketball, its popularity worldwide grew because of the relative cheapness of the sport. The rest of the world caught up to America because, like soccer, any child can play it if he owns a ball and a hoop. It took years before the world caught up. Remember the 1992 Dream Team? They ran roughshod over everyone. The world watched, focussed, and more than 10 YEARS LATER learned to play the game. The Ryder Cup is a joke. It's stupid match play style golf and no one cares about it but die hard golf enthusiasts. And even they b!tch about the stupid rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Don't most European countries have national teams dedicated to the Olympics, or at least athletes much more involved with the Olympics training then America? I also see some of our athletes receive less fundamental training then our European counterparts. For an example of both worlds look no further then the NBA. We bring our NBA players from every team, but they have no clue how work together. I've always felt the NBA champions (excluding foreign players) would field a more competitive team because they're a team. I can agree with that- and I'll take it one step further- the NCAA Champions would be better as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prognastic Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 No one has asked this question so I guess I'll be the first in response to the original post. who cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 no actually he was at an elite top 50 in the world level, as his times were 13.81 and 49.77 for the hurdles. Both of those times easily place him in the top 50 in the world for any given year. Please keep talking out of your ass, i am enjoying it too much. According to the Track and Field News website, Moorman's best time in the 110 high hurdles was around the 250th best time in 2005. There were approximately 114 individual hurdlers (some had multiple performances which exceeded his best) ahead of him: http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/in...al=A/index.html The same website puts his 400 meter hurdle time around the 225th best performance of 2005: http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/in...al=A/index.html Now unless you can squeeze the numbers 250 and 114 into 50 ( "Both of those times easily place him in the top 50 in the world for any given year," you said above) it seems that you should be mouthing your apology to me, just after you take the crow feathers out of your mouth! You guys are way too easy to beat. You bore me. Bring back the armpit farts, jzmack, but leave the facts alone. The facts just made you look really, really ignorant. Do you practice this "talking out of your ass" trick (as you mentioned above) every night, like you've been practicing it in this thread? Your dedicated practice has made you world-class at this trick, "easily in the top 50 in any given year!" To quote one of your posts in this thread: "I wouldn't call gettin worked up, i'd call trying to heighten the situation... ie.) half of the crap i say on PPP when Holcomb's Arm is talking. My object is to make this person continuously make an ass out of himself/herself." You've made an ass out of yourself. I'm embarassed to see anybody get his head handed to him like you just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I have $5 that this idiot is the reincarnation of b.harami98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finknottle Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 (Blue on Blue @ Jan 30 2007, 07:10 PM) Half of Samoa seems to be playing nose tackle in the NFL, and they just heard about the sport yesterday. Huh? Once again, I'm not afraid to post the evidence for you. Can you find five? Well, he's essentially correct on this point. By population, Fiji/Tonga/Samoa contribute an extraordinary number of athletes to the NFL. A far greater percentage of their populations grow up to become NFL pros than do Americans, which is amazing since the sport it is either unheard of or second to rugby there. My math is correct if there are 6 islanders on NFL rosters. I havn't checked, but I bet the average number is around 10. There's a long tradition that goes from todays Ngata back through Mosi Toutupu and Jack Thompson (aka the Throwin' Samoan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 What about Shaun White, Laird Hamilton, Dave Mira, Travis Prastana, Dan Osman, Bode Miller? Damn, America has some phenomenal athletes! chirp.....chirp.....chirp......Mr oversensitive PC dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 You've made an ass out of yourself. I'm embarassed to see anybody get his head handed to him like you just did. :worthy: Even, if my numbers were a little off, the point was that elite athletes in the NFL could easily be competing in other sports that are internationally contested. ( you have your Renaldo Nehemiahs, and Rod Woodsons, and Bo Jacksons, and Deions... all of these especially the last two could have been considered modern day Thorpes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I think it's funny we are getting so worked up trying to prove a crusader wrong. When his sole purpose is to volley a rock into a hornets nest and have fun at the mayhem. If he were here for true rational conversation, he would not present NFL players as mere chumps in the athletic stage. Take for example Ben Johnsons world breaking 1988 100 meter dash. When broken down, he covered the first 40 meters in 4.08 seconds. Bo Jackson fan a 4.12 40, Deion Sanders ran a 4.17, and even our pedestrian Lee Evans managed a 4.31. I would say that those times easily falls into world class stature. I wouldn't necessarily take those 40 times at face value. Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders ran the 40 before electronic timing became the norm. 40 yard dash times timed by hand . . . tend to be unreliable in ways that maybe give the athlete the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 k, everyone needs to read Holcombs Arm's favorite source, Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Our basketball 'dream teams" win internationally, but only in their dreams. You bring up an excellent point. Consider Lithuania, a country so small many of its own citizens haven't even heard of it. It'd be one thing if Lithuania won an individual sport, like a marathon. You could put that down to random chance. But to win a basketball game, you need to find a number of talented athletes; and how can you possibly expect to find so many talented athletes in so small a country? Lithuania has a population of 3.5 million people, as opposed to 10 million for Los Angeles County. I don't care how much they messed with the rules of basketball. I don't care how unfamiliar those American players were with each other. There's no excuse for a country this big getting beaten by Lithuania in basketball. This isn't soccer, where we can say our attention was elsewhere. This is basketball; a sport we literally invented. Just about every decent-sized American high school has its own basketball team. It's one of the two most highly paid professional sports in this country. We're doing everything anyone can reasonably expect to find basketball talent. And to get owned by a country that's been accidentally used as a postage stamp? That's inexcusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 k, everyone needs to read Holcombs Arm's favorite source, Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll Yes, pointing out the flaws with non-electronic 40 times is the very height of troll-like behavior. Because so much emphasis is placed on the 40, many players or programs claim to have run much faster times than they actually did. Part of this is hype from college programs wishing to promote their players by claiming they have run sensational times in practice. Another significant issue is that many colleges time players by hand, which typically records inaccurately low times. Because human reaction time is slow, this typically takes as much as 0.25 seconds off a player's time. As a general rule, only 40 yard dash times recorded electronically can be considered accurate. This method is used at the NFL Combine. However, because this method usually records correct, slower times, many players in recent years have declined to be timed electronically, preferring to be timed in personal workouts where they think they will get a more favorable time by hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 No dumbass, I was saying HE was the troll, not you. I was just saying that you liked to quote wikipedia a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 No dumbass, I was saying HE was the troll, not you. I was just saying that you liked to quote wikipedia a lot. Well, on the one hand I feel a little silly. On the other I feel relieved that I don't have to spend the next ten pages vainly trying to convince Bungee Jumper and Ramius that electronic 40 times are in fact more accurate than hand-measured 40 yard times. I was sort of expecting something like this: Me: according to Wikipedia, hand measured 40 yard times are seriously flawed. Bungee Jumper/Ramius: you're an idiot for quoting Wikipedia. Find real sources which support this. Me: I've now found quotes from Stanford or Duke or someplace, and they support this. Bungee Jumper/Ramius: you're an idiot, and you obviously didn't understand a word of those sources, now did you? Me: Of course I understood them. They said the same thing I've been saying the last ten pages. Bungee Jumper: What's amazing is he thinks he's actually right. Ramius, let me suck on your penis. Ramius: Wow! I know you said Holcomb's Arm is a moron, but man. He's a moron! And Bungee Jumper, let me suck on your penis. Me: Do you or don't you now feel hand measured 40 times are seriously flawed? Bungee Jumper/Ramius: I've already answered that question. Go back and look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pete Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Well, on the one hand I feel a little silly. On the other I feel relieved that I don't have to spend the next ten pages vainly trying to convince Bungee Jumper and Ramius that electronic 40 times are in fact more accurate than hand-measured 40 yard times. I was sort of expecting something like this:Me: according to Wikipedia, hand measured 40 yard times are seriously flawed. Bungee Jumper/Ramius: you're an idiot for quoting Wikipedia. Find real sources which support this. Me: I've now found quotes from Stanford or Duke or someplace, and they support this. Bungee Jumper/Ramius: you're an idiot, and you obviously didn't understand a word of those sources, now did you? Me: Of course I understood them. They said the same thing I've been saying the last ten pages. Bungee Jumper: What's amazing is he thinks he's actually right. Ramius, let me suck on your penis. Ramius: Wow! I know you said Holcomb's Arm is a moron, but man. He's a moron! And Bungee Jumper, let me suck on your penis. Me: Do you or don't you now feel hand measured 40 times are seriously flawed? Bungee Jumper/Ramius: I've already answered that question. Go back and look it up. Spot on! Except BJ is a little more arrogant and megalomaniac like and Ramius is a bigger asskisser and BJ want to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 You mean except for the fact that in almost every spot, the Americans are the guys or team to beat? The Ryder Cup is ALL of Europe. Our basketball teams would kill these teams if we used all our players and they played together as much as their competitors. Think if we use our best baseball players we might win a world competition against another country? Granted, it's okay if we're not the best in certain sports anymore. It's actually good, for everyone. And surely other countries are catching up in a lot of sports, and that's good, too. But it's still not even remotely close as to who has the most and best athletes overall. Australia punches above it's weight per capita for sporting status... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Well, he's essentially correct on this point. By population, Fiji/Tonga/Samoa contribute an extraordinary number of athletes to the NFL. A far greater percentage of their populations grow up to become NFL pros than do Americans, which is amazing since the sport it is either unheard of or second to rugby there. My math is correct if there are 6 islanders on NFL rosters. I havn't checked, but I bet the average number is around 10. There's a long tradition that goes from todays Ngata back through Mosi Toutupu and Jack Thompson (aka the Throwin' Samoan). Don't forget Seau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauderswr80 Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Im willing to bet anything that the Phoenix Suns would stomp ANY national team out there! Thats a fact! These National basketball teams practice together alot more then our NBA players. by the way....hockey sucks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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