Stanley Lombardi Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Yawn. A bi-annual event that leaves out most of the best players in the world. Maybe if you considered the world golf rankings at the end of 2006, you'd see a vast array of countries, with the USA more than holding their own (including 3 of the top 4.) They also took a game that was played seriously in one country on earth, this one, and made it a true world game. But you're right, Spain is better. I also enjoyed how you failed to mention that the rules are quite different from the rules our players have played with their entire lives. So...you're citing a one-and-done knockout tournament as evidence of American demise in a sport where the BEST teams only win 55% of their games? Sweet. When have they ever won? Interesting that USA doesn't quite have the athleticism of other world powers, and both football and soccer are fall sports in this country...I wouldn't mind seeing Reggie Bush if he played soccer 14 hours a day from the time he was 3 years old. The USA is a world power in Under-20 tournaments, but it hasn't translated into the men yet. Canada, Czech Republic, Sweden, Russia, USA. Pick one. I guarantee they win the next major tournament or Olympics. Again, if you would check the world rankings, the USA is one of two countries with two players in the world top-10. Andy Roddick is ranked 4th and James Blake is ranked 6th. The other country? Croatia, with players ranked #8 and #10. Although it could be argued that anybody not named Roger Federer sucks at tennis right now. He's unreal. Your grasping at straws with this one. Americans will be the favorites in every event under 800M, plus decathalon, heptathalon, pole vault, etc. while a smattering of opponents from dozens of other countries will be able to 'steal' a win in certain events every once in a while. Big deal. Does anybody even remember these people ten minutes after their event is over? That includes the Americans. I defy you to find a more pure athlete than an NFL running back. Or linebacker. Or wide receiver. Huh? Once again, I'm not afraid to post the evidence for you. Can you find five? I got out the microscope and the binoculars, smokinandjokin, but I've yet to locate a winner in your very laborious post. A whole bunch of promises and excuses, but the trophies seem to be on somebody else's shelf. The rules, the tournament set-up, guarantees, rankings, our great junior varsity squad...but no trophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Thanks! The topic was meant to place our footbal heroes in a proper athletic perspective. When the American athlete goes against the world, he is shown to be mediocre. No one has refuted that premise in the replies so far. There has been bluster, chest-thumping, conjecture, and (most of all) excuses--but no refutation. I do think that we as football fans should understand the very small pool of talent that our "stars" compete against. It's akin to competing to be all-league in a talent market the size of Buffalo vs. a talent market the size of L.A. or New York. Questions like this interest me about sports and culture. If they don't interest you, then just beat your man-boobs like the rest of 'em! And go on to the next topic about the subtleties of the off-tackle slant! Or the ever-enduring fascination with whom we should select in the 4th round... I'm also here for fun--and I'm enjoying it as you twits bring forward one weak, pathetic reply after another! could you possibly fathom that the majority of our top athletes are training in popular speactator sports like football baseball and hockey, as opposed to ones of a more international flavor? Seriously, If you had Deion Sanders in his prime as a striker, he probably would have notched a ton of goals. Brian Moorman, just a hair off being ranked in the top 25 or top 50 in the world in both hurdles events while he was at Pittsburg State. To state that our country is lacking athletes is like saying Osama bin Laden is lacking nose hair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 could you possibly fathom that the majority of our top athletes are training in popular speactator sports like football baseball and hockey, as opposed to ones of a more international flavor? Seriously, If you had Deion Sanders in his prime as a striker, he probably would have notched a ton of goals. Brian Moorman, just a hair off being ranked in the top 25 or top 50 in the world in both hurdles events while he was at Pittsburg State. To state that our country is lacking athletes is like saying Osama bin Laden is lacking nose hair We're a non-factor in hockey, haven't won in baseball, have seen our "best athletes in the world" from the NBA embarassed annually for years and years now. I would call all of these facts. Which of these facts am I not fathoming? Deion Sanders as a striker is conjecture. Brian Moorman is a fast punter, but never appeared on anything other than a division 2 or 3 college level in track. These are figments. I fathom facts, and you fathom figments. But we both fathom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobblehead Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Are you the same guy that often posts that cigarette smokers are murderers? I have always enjoyed your work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 We're a non-factor in hockey, haven't won in baseball, have seen our "best athletes in the world" from the NBA embarassed annually for years and years now. I would call all of these facts. Which of these facts am I not fathoming? Deion Sanders as a striker is conjecture. Brian Moorman is a fast punter, but never appeared on anything other than a division 2 or 3 college level in track. These are figments. I fathom facts, and you fathom figments. But we both fathom. I am almost a crusader on Moorman's speed, but the reality is that he could compete with most of the D-I guys w/o doubt. Hell I am a D-III hurdler and sprinter, and I have spanked some D-I athletes in my day. The sad truth is that some of the D-I "talent" is misevaluated and does not deserve to be there while some D-II and D-III hidden gems can put a whooping a good chunk of the D-I scholarships athletes. In fact, I met a pro-Pole Vaulter who was D-III that was the best in all of the NCAA a few years back. So, your claim that Moorman was just a D-II athlete is a lame excuse as he was voted the best D-II athlete his senior year for his track and football accomplishments. Again proving some ingorance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Before I leave That'a boy...how about them Bruins! more words of wisdom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFLstyle Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I got out the microscope and the binoculars, smokinandjokin, but I've yet to locate a winner in your very laborious post. A whole bunch of promises and excuses, but the trophies seem to be on somebody else's shelf.The rules, the tournament set-up, guarantees, rankings, our great junior varsity squad...but no trophy. lol, what a loser! He just proved you completely wrong and you come back with that post? Just do us a favor and leave now, please, because...you suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilly Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 We're a non-factor in hockey, haven't won in baseball, have seen our "best athletes in the world" from the NBA embarassed annually for years and years now. I would call all of these facts. Which of these facts am I not fathoming? Deion Sanders as a striker is conjecture. Brian Moorman is a fast punter, but never appeared on anything other than a division 2 or 3 college level in track. These are figments. I fathom facts, and you fathom figments. But we both fathom. lawlz, did you know that iron is a medal, Mr. Troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Wow! Upsetting your cherished assumptions was great fun! But the cat does get tired of toying with half-dead mice after awhile. Not one of you has pointed to any recent American team victory internationally, which is exactly what my point was from the start... So, sayonara for now. But before I go, you guys have proved one thing. While the American athlete is an also-ran internationally, the American intellect, if represented by your replies, can't even find its way to the starting line. Your replies have descended to the intellectual level of armpit farts. But armpit farts are also great fun. So, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Lombardi Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 I am almost a crusader on Moorman's speed, but the reality is that he could compete with most of the D-I guys w/o doubt. Hell I am a D-III hurdler and sprinter, and I have spanked some D-I athletes in my day. The sad truth is that some of the D-I "talent" is misevaluated and does not deserve to be there while some D-II and D-III hidden gems can put a whooping a good chunk of the D-I scholarships athletes. In fact, I met a pro-Pole Vaulter who was D-III that was the best in all of the NCAA a few years back. So, your claim that Moorman was just a D-II athlete is a lame excuse as he was voted the best D-II athlete his senior year for his track and football accomplishments. Again proving some ingorance No ignorance, my friend. Brian Moorman is flat-out fast, and I said so. But he has not taken it to anything near an international level, which is the level this thread has been speaking about. I have a feeling that Brian Moorman would be the first one to double over in laughter if you are thinking of comparing his 110 high-hurdle ability to Olympic-calibre hurdlers. Brian Moorman is fast compared to the Buffalo Bills, but slow compared to the world. That was my thesis--that football players are only big fish because they compete in a relatively small pond. Thus, you have unwittingly gone a long way towards proving my thesis, as have most of the replies to this topic. So, thankyou, jzmack. Thankyou...one and all. Now, jzmack, who's "proving some ignorance?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justnzane Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 No ignorance, my friend. Brian Moorman is flat-out fast, and I said so. But he has not taken it to anything near an international level, which is the level this thread has been speaking about. I have a feeling that Brian Moorman would be the first one to double over in laughter if you are thinking of comparing his 110 high-hurdle ability to Olympic-calibre hurdlers.Brian Moorman is fast compared to the Buffalo Bills, but slow compared to the world. That was my thesis--that football players are only big fish because they compete in a relatively small pond. Thus, you have unwittingly gone a long way towards proving my thesis, as have most of the replies to this topic. So, thankyou, jzmack. Thankyou...one and all. Now, jzmack, who's "proving some ignorance?" no actually he was at an elite top 50 in the world level, as his times were 13.81 and 49.77 for the hurdles. Both of those times easily place him in the top 50 in the world for any given year. Please keep talking out of your ass, i am enjoying it too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think it's funny we are getting so worked up trying to prove a crusader wrong. When his sole purpose is to volley a rock into a hornets nest and have fun at the mayhem. If he were here for true rational conversation, he would not present NFL players as mere chumps in the athletic stage. Take for example Ben Johnsons world breaking 1988 100 meter dash. When broken down, he covered the first 40 meters in 4.08 seconds. Bo Jackson fan a 4.12 40, Deion Sanders ran a 4.17, and even our pedestrian Lee Evans managed a 4.31. I would say that those times easily falls into world class stature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Gotta be a joke... I was thinking HogBoy myself....no one is this much of an idiot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Thanks! The topic was meant to place our footbal heroes in a proper athletic perspective. When the American athlete goes against the world, he is shown to be mediocre. No one has refuted that premise in the replies so far. There has been bluster, chest-thumping, conjecture, and (most of all) excuses--but no refutation. I'm also here for fun--and I'm enjoying it as you twits bring forward one weak, pathetic reply after another! Mediocre? On principal alone no world class athlete is MEDIOCRE! Furthermore, you're talking out both sides of your mouth. You cite all these sports: basketball, baseball, football, soccer, the olympics, etc- and the facts with which people have responded DO indicate that the United States (with the exception of soccer) not only wins at these sports, she has been winning at them for a long time and in some cases has out right dominated them. For those few sports in which the US is NOT a perennial champion, she is- at the very least- a perennial contender. NOW, Blue. Please, as Kelly requested, name for me another country that continually dominates EVERY sport...That's right, there isn't one. Now, Blue. Please name for ME, another country which is a perennial contender in EVERY sport...That's right, only the United States is. Now if you want to open the debate to include the narrowing gap between the United States and "the world," by all means. I think said narrowing is hard to ignore, it's a black cloud on our domination horizon, but it was inevitable. The debate, however, is a debate which transcends sports thanks largely to a six-year productivtiy drought on Capitol Hill-but that's a different story all together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 What about Shaun White, Laird Hamilton, Dave Mira, Travis Prastana, Dan Osman, Bode Miller? Damn, America has some phenomenal athletes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Wow! Upsetting your cherished assumptions was great fun! But the cat does get tired of toying with half-dead mice after awhile. Not one of you has pointed to any recent American team victory internationally, which is exactly what my point was from the start...So, sayonara for now. But before I go, you guys have proved one thing. While the American athlete is an also-ran internationally, the American intellect, if represented by your replies, can't even find its way to the starting line. Your replies have descended to the intellectual level of armpit farts. But armpit farts are also great fun. So, thanks! So let me get this straight, you complain that "the American athlete" sucks compared to other countries athletes, but only count "team victories" which aren't even America's best athletes after people giving you 274 reasons why American athletes are still great and overall the best in the world. I think we need a new acronym around here, "The Tot", as in The Tard of Tards". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
destro32 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Does this girl have a job or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pBills Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I guess I am failing to see the point in this post. If the point is that American sports teams and individuals are competitive but do not always win, then name a country that does always have winners? English Soccer? Not always. Russian Gymnastics? Not always. Canadian Hockey? Not always. USA Basketball? Not always. So the point is that no country is always a dominate force. So why blast American sports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I bet his little league team once went 18-0 so anything less is sheer incompetence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBilliever Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 This guys a jackass he's just tryin to get under everyone's skin if ya couldn't tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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