stuckincincy Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 FWIW, here is info on team's financial rankings, debt, operating income, etc, for the 2005 season. From Forbes Magazine 08/31/06. The article is sortable for figures of interest. "Special Report The Business Of Football By Kurt Badenhausen, Michael K. Ozanian and Maya Roney 08.31.06, 6:00 PM ET This year the average NFL team is worth $898 million, 211% more than when Forbes began calculating team values eight years ago. Look at it this way: Football team values have increased 11 times more than the S&P 500 since 1998. Profitability? This year the average NFL team posted $30.8 million in operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization), versus $5.3 million in 1997. More > Sort List By: Rank | Team | Current Value | 1-Yr Value Change % Debt / Value % | Revenue | Operating Income"... http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/30/06nfl_...tions_land.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Wide Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 It's funny that the Net Revenue of the Bills is very close to teams such as the Giants, Jets, Rams, Lions, and more than the 49ers, Saints, Bengals, Jaguars Raiders Colts, Chargers Falcons Vikings etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackey7789 Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Am I reading this report right......The Bills made the 13th most amount of money (operating income) in the NFL? Thats not bad if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 And the Bills took in 3 million less than the biggest market in the country. And they took in more than cities like San Francisco and San Diego. The real number is the debt number. If Ralph were to sell, and the new owners took a huge amount of debt, they would have a tougher time than a lot of teams with their cash flow. That is really the crux of what Ralph is doing right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Take that $31.2M in "operating income" and subtract $13M, which is how much under the cap the Bills were ($10M outright, and another $3M in a LTBE bonus to Shaud Williams that he never earned and which will be credited to the 2007 cap). Then take out interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. And look at some of the other teams. Methinks Enron's accountants had NOTHING on the accountants for some NFL teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Re: Team valuations. The Giants at #15 and the Jets at #18? The Bills are worth more than the Chargers? Gimme a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Take that $31.2M in "operating income" and subtract $13M, which is how much under the cap the Bills were ($10M outright, and another $3M in a LTBE bonus to Shaud Williams that he never earned and which will be credited to the 2007 cap). Then take out interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization. And look at some of the other teams. Methinks Enron's accountants had NOTHING on the accountants for some NFL teams. Teams made tens of millions more this year because of the new TV figures. And why would you automatically subtract the 13M anyway? Maybe you do but how do you know they didn't already take under the cap under consideration. Not to mention that under the cap means that they didn't spend 10 mil not that they spent 10 mil more. Furthermore the public accounting for professional sports teams is not the Enron style of inflating, it's the Hollywood style of underreporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoondckCL Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Re: Team valuations. The Giants at #15 and the Jets at #18? The Bills are worth more than the Chargers? Gimme a break. First off, I could see all of these being true. The Giants and the Jets split New York and have to draw from the same people for revenue. The Chargers are not that big of a deal in San Diego. Their training camp is apparently empty pretty much every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBilliever Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 See the game against the Chargers last year? Yeah... that's usually the ammount of people in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadBuffaloDisease Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Teams made tens of millions more this year because of the new TV figures. And why would you automatically subtract the 13M anyway? Maybe you do but how do you know they didn't already take under the cap under consideration. Not to mention that under the cap means that they didn't spend 10 mil not that they spent 10 mil more. Furthermore the public accounting for professional sports teams is not the Enron style of inflating, it's the Hollywood style of underreporting. Forbes bases their numbers on the amount of money teams allocate for player salaries and benefits. The Bills spent $10M less than the cap, and had that $3M bonus for Williams, hence Ralph pocketed $13M, which is reflected in the operating income number you see there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Re: Team valuations. The Giants at #15 and the Jets at #18? The Bills are worth more than the Chargers? Gimme a break. lol @ "not buying" Forbes Magazine Reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 can someone explain why the 49ers are rumored to sign Clements(see front page) when they are below us in both revenue AND cap space???? and have plenty of others that are holding big salaries (alex smith, te from last year, etc.)???? oh yeah, maybe theyre serious about turning it around and becoming a winning team again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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