BuffOrange Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 There's lying and there's not knowing what the !@#$ you're doing, and I never said Mularkey lied. So if JP had played well vs. Tampa & ATL he still would've been benched after 1 bad game vs. NO? Right
Kelly the Dog Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 So if JP had played well vs. Tampa & ATL he still would've been benched after 1 bad game vs. NO? Right He played pretty well in the last pre-season game and the opening day win against the Texans and still got benched in game two after three bad quarters against the Bucs.
IDBillzFan Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 So if JP had played well vs. Tampa & ATL he still would've been benched after 1 bad game vs. NO? Right If JP played well, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? So I don't understand your point. It took Mularkey less than two years to lose his team and set back the development of what could well be a very good quarterback in this league. If he played JP all last year and stopped dicking around with his egomaniacal "rob Peter to pay Mike" plan, I'd be willing to bet we'd have at least two more wins this year...probably more. But again, we're not discussing what would happen if JP played well. We're discussing what constitutes Mularkey being kneejerk and all evidence shows he was tremendously kneejerk last year.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 If JP played well, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? So I don't understand your point. It took Mularkey less than two years to lose his team and set back the development of what could well be a very good quarterback in this league. If he played JP all last year and stopped dicking around with his egomaniacal "rob Peter to pay Mike" plan, I'd be willing to bet we'd have at least two more wins this year...probably more. But again, we're not discussing what would happen if JP played well. We're discussing what constitutes Mularkey being kneejerk and all evidence shows he was tremendously kneejerk last year. I am not sure about that. Losman, however much I like him and think he is eventually going to be very good in this league, was an atypical player. A unique case. I am not so sure it would have helped him all that much, with what Wyche and Clements and Mularkey were doing with him last year. 1] I think that Sam Wyche was VERY good intentioned but made a tactical error in throwing too much stuff at him and thinking he could handle it all. He's an excitable, emotional kid with very little good coaching and very little experience playing against that kind of opponent. And then 2] Mularkey just came out game one series one throwing the ball all over the field even when we had a woefully terrible line, and Losman got killed. I also think that 3] Shonert and Fairchild , as well as the calming influence of Jauron, were at least as important to JP's development as JP himself. And 4] the bye week and the dumbing down of the offense until the new line gelled a little also played a huge role in the second half of the season emergence. So I am really not sure whether Losman would be so far ahead of where he is now even if he played all of last year. It probably couldn't have hurt, and I would have played him myself, but it isn't at all clear to me that Wyche and Clements and Mularkey were the guys for the job, at least as opposed to Shonert (who slowed down the steps) and Fairchild and Jauron.
BuffOrange Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 If JP played well, we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? So I don't understand your point. It took Mularkey less than two years to lose his team and set back the development of what could well be a very good quarterback in this league. If he played JP all last year and stopped dicking around with his egomaniacal "rob Peter to pay Mike" plan, I'd be willing to bet we'd have at least two more wins this year...probably more. But again, we're not discussing what would happen if JP played well. We're discussing what constitutes Mularkey being kneejerk and all evidence shows he was tremendously kneejerk last year. Your point was clearly that the guy did a complete 180 as a result of 1 game, which is obviously incorrect. You can tell me that your primary concern at halftime of the Bucs game (after a 9-7 season and 1-0 start) was "well who cares about the outcome but at least JP is getting reps". I'm sorry, I don't buy it. You don't have to go back more than a couple months to find this very board littered with playoff talk with a 5-7 team because they almost beat a good team at home.
IDBillzFan Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 You can tell me that your primary concern at halftime of the Bucs game (after a 9-7 season and 1-0 start) was "well who cares about the outcome but at least JP is getting reps". That may be overstating it a tad, but feel free to go through my posts from last season. When they announced Bledsoe was gone and JP was the starter, I was ready to take my lumps for the sake of his development and at no time was I ever in favor of doing anything other than starting JP for as long as he could stand upright. I wanted to know if he could be our quarterback and when the season was over, the jury was still out, and to a large extent it was out because our freaking coach was a moron.
Simon Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 Pulling Losman in and out of the lineup in games as well as in sequences of games. Losman got pulled because he was stinking up the joint. And as for the shuffling that went on later in the year, there were two other important mitigating factors: 1) JP was hurt and we have no idea to what extent, and 2) Ralphole was once again sticking his nose into the affiars of the team. Mularkey was not the only factor at work there. Wildly changing gameplans IMO and waffling between being a power running team, a controlled passing team, and an open it it up and wing it all over the field team.Without access to the Bills coaches and internal workings I have a hard time making any definitive statements about the gameplans which none of us have ever seen. I will say however that the primary responsibility for those gameplans falls on the Offensive and Defensive co-ordinators, who I completely agree should have been fired last year as they were 2 of the 4 components that created so much trouble for the Bills. Getting the young guys experience so they can grow as a unit versus winning right now at the expense of the young guy's growth. Aside from Losman (who was discussed above) who are you referring to? Lee Evans was starting, Roscoe Parrish was hurt, TMcGee was starting, Tim Anderson saw increased playing time as the season progressed, Duke Preston saw increased playing time as the season progressed, Ron Edwards was on IR, Crowell was starting, Jason Peters was starting, and I think Rashard Baker was also starting. What other young guys did you want to see in there?
IDBillzFan Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 Ralphole was once again sticking his nose into the affiars of the team. Mularkey was not the only factor at work there. I'd sure love to see a link that substantiates this tidbit.
Simon Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 I'd sure love to see a link that substantiates this tidbit. At teh time it was reported by a couple sources (both national and local) who I considered fairly reliable. Since it was a year ago I don't have a link, but it wasn't teh first time in recent memory that Ralph has apparently stuck his nose into the Bills' QB situation.
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