Sen. John Blutarsky Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 This is the starting 22 and ST These players are selected at the best they ever wwere, not as a whole career per se, hence McKellar, he was a beast before he got hurt. QB- Jim Kelly RB- OJ Simpson FB- Jim Braxton WR- Elbert Dubenion WR- Andre Reed TE- Keith McKellar OL- The Electric Co. minus Montler plus Kent Hull For defense I will play a 3-4 as the Bills have been a 3-4 team for the majority of their existence. DE- Bruce Smith NT- Ted Washington DE- Phil Hansen OLB- Cornelius Bennett ILB- Chris Spielman ILB- Sam Cowart OLB- Mike Stratton CB- Robert James S- Jeff Nixon S- George Saimes CB- Nate Odomes K- Steve Christie P- Brian Moorman LS- Adam Lingner ST- Steve Tasker - don't discount Jason Peters in this role either, our ST ruled he year he was both on the wedge and wedge buster, he also blocked a punt that year. KR- Terrence McGee PR- Roscoe Parrish - I toyed with Clements but he fumbled too much
jimmy_from_north_buffalo Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 I'm going with the 52 man roster, but feel free for a starting group only. Coach - Marv Levy QB - Jim Kelly, Frank Reich, AVP HB - Thurman Thomas, OJ Simpson, Cookie Gilchrist FB - Sam Gash WR - Andre Reed, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans, Elbert Dubenion, Glen Bass (loved the guy) TE - Jay Reimersma, Pete Metzlaars. O-Line - The Electric Company (who wouldn't?) and Ruben Brown. DE - Bruce Smith, Phil Hansen, White Sherman, and Ben Williams NT/DT - Tom Sestak, Freddy Smerlas LB - Shane Conlan, the Biscuit, Daryl Talley, Bryce Paup, Lucious Sanford. CB - Nate Odomes, Steve Freeman, Mario Clark, Butch Byrd S - Tony Greene, Mark Kelso, Kurt Schulz, George Saimes. P - Brian Moorman K - Steve Christie I'm bored, any thoughts? 866269[/snapback] You forgot Kent Hull and The House! The latter was best o-line man ever for Bills. And how do you leave Ted Washington off the list?
EndZoneCrew Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 I'm going with the 52 man roster, but feel free for a starting group only. Coach - Marv Levy QB - Jim Kelly, Frank Reich, AVP HB - Thurman Thomas, OJ Simpson, Cookie Gilchrist FB - Sam Gash WR - Andre Reed, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans, Elbert Dubenion, Glen Bass (loved the guy) TE - Jay Reimersma, Pete Metzlaars. O-Line - The Electric Company (who wouldn't?) and Ruben Brown. DE - Bruce Smith, Phil Hansen, White Sherman, and Ben Williams NT/DT - Tom Sestak, Freddy Smerlas LB - Shane Conlan, the Biscuit, Daryl Talley, Bryce Paup, Lucious Sanford. CB - Nate Odomes, Steve Freeman, Mario Clark, Butch Byrd S - Tony Greene, Mark Kelso, Kurt Schulz, George Saimes. P - Brian Moorman K - Steve Christie I'm bored, any thoughts? 866269[/snapback] 12th man: EZC
bills_fan Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 My list...includes some current players who I think will develop into all time Bills Coach - Marv Levy QB - Jim Kelly, Joe Ferguson, Frank Reich HB - OJ Simpson, Thurman Thomas, Willis McGahee FB - Cookie Gilchrist, Jim Braxton, Sam Gash WR - Andre Reed, Jerry Butler, Elbert Dubenion, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans TE - Pete Metzelaars, Keith McKellar LT -Will Wolford, Jason Peters LG- Joe Demaillure, Rueben Brown C- Kent Hull RG - Billy Shaw, Reggie McKenzie RT - Howard Ballard DE - Bruce Smith, Aaron Schobel, Phil Hansen DT - Pat Williams, Tom Sestek, Ted Washington, Fred Smerlas LB - Shane Conlan, Cornelius Bennett, Daryl Talley, Jim Haslett, Mike Stratton, Takeo Spikes CB - Nate Odomes, Nate Clements, Antoine Winfield, Steve Freeman S - Mark Kelso, Henry Jones, George Saimes, Donte Whitner P - Brian Moorman K - Steve Christie, Scott Norwood ST - Steve Tasker
Kelly the Dog Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 Based on how many defensive players that people list from the so called "glory years" that that D would have been dominant. If that D was dominant the Bills would have a few SB titles under their belts. I think that a few people have romanticized that team a little bit. 866658[/snapback] I don't think so, as far as talent goes. They were awesome players. We had terrible coaching then, which did not come close to getting the most out of our players. I still blame that on Marv because he wouldn't get rid of Walt Corey. If we had Wade as the DC then, I think we would have won a couple Super Bowls. Bruce is one of the 2-3 best DEs of all time. Bennett was a fabulous LB. Talley and Hansen were very, very good, as was Conlan. Odomes was quite good, Henry Jones was quite good. Those defenses should have been great and they were only decent to good.
MDH Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 I don't think so, as far as talent goes. They were awesome players. We had terrible coaching then, which did not come close to getting the most out of our players. I still blame that on Marv because he wouldn't get rid of Walt Corey. If we had Wade as the DC then, I think we would have won a couple Super Bowls. Bruce is one of the 2-3 best DEs of all time. Bennett was a fabulous LB. Talley and Hansen were very, very good, as was Conlan. Odomes was quite good, Henry Jones was quite good. Those defenses should have been great and they were only decent to good. 866677[/snapback] Great players produce. I won't argue that those guys were all talented as hell but only a few of them really produced: Bruce, Talley, Henry and Odomes. I loved Biscuit but his hype was bigger than his game and the same goes for Conlan (even more so). That’s not to say that they were bad, just not as good as advertised. Sam Cowart, during his time in Buffalo, was better than any of those LBs (including Talley) and it's not even close. Granted, Cowart's time in Buffalo was short due to his injury but that doesn't lessen the impact he had on the games he played. Before his injury Cowart was on his way to becoming a dominant LB (alla Ray Lewis). He was that good. Hanson was a guy that was pretty good against the run but people have built him into a much better player than he actually was. The guy had one of the all time great DEs on the opposite side of him which guaranteed that he'd never see a double team and he still couldn't get the pressure or sacks that Schobel wracks up. Schobel isn’t quite as good as Hanson against the run but he’s not bad either. I'm sure there are guys from the pre-80s days (which is really as far back as my knowledge extends) who were better than many of those players as well.
Garranimal Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 I respect everyone's suggestions and think this is a really interesting thread but i have only one comment to make because I don't think i have seen this player's name mentioned. But regardless of what point in his career he was here as far as receivers go that wore the uniform, James Lofton has to be among the top 3 in my opinion. James Lofton finally gave the K-gun the outside, down the field threat it needed to compliment andre. I recall one season where james was averaging something like 18 yards per catch deep into the season....he was special even late in his career when he was a Bill. And as i recall his induction into the HOF was as much about being a Bill as it was about being a Packer.
Tcali Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 I'm going with the 52 man roster, but feel free for a starting group only. Coach - Marv Levy QB - Jim Kelly, Frank Reich, AVP HB - Thurman Thomas, OJ Simpson, Cookie Gilchrist FB - Sam Gash WR - Andre Reed, Eric Moulds, Lee Evans, Elbert Dubenion, Glen Bass (loved the guy) TE - Jay Reimersma, Pete Metzlaars. O-Line - The Electric Company (who wouldn't?) and Ruben Brown. DE - Bruce Smith, Phil Hansen, White Sherman, and Ben Williams NT/DT - Tom Sestak, Freddy Smerlas LB - Shane Conlan, the Biscuit, Daryl Talley, Bryce Paup, Lucious Sanford. CB - Nate Odomes, Steve Freeman, Mario Clark, Butch Byrd S - Tony Greene, Mark Kelso, Kurt Schulz, George Saimes. P - Brian Moorman K - Steve Christie I'm bored, any thoughts? 866269[/snapback] Poor job. Unless they are just your faves and not the best players. AVP over lamonica,Kemp,Ferguson???? ANY of those receivers over Jerry Butler?? No Billy Shaw? or Kent Hull? NO ROBERT JAMES at corner????
Tcali Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 Poor job. Unless they are just your faves and not the best players. AVP over lamonica,Kemp,Ferguson???? ANY of those receivers over Jerry Butler?? No Billy Shaw? or Kent Hull? NO ROBERT JAMES at corner???? 867077[/snapback] OMG---Ted Washinton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --dumb me:))))I think he's the best run stuffer of all time in the NFL.
Rico Posted December 14, 2006 Posted December 14, 2006 I loved Biscuit but his hype was bigger than his game and the same goes for Conlan (even more so). That’s not to say that they were bad, just not as good as advertised. Sam Cowart, during his time in Buffalo, was better than any of those LBs (including Talley) and it's not even close. Granted, Cowart's time in Buffalo was short due to his injury but that doesn't lessen the impact he had on the games he played. Before his injury Cowart was on his way to becoming a dominant LB (alla Ray Lewis). He was that good. 866694[/snapback] I think Biscuit's 1st few years were just as dominant as Cowart's... I thought he would become the 2nd coming of LT. Agree 100% on Conlan, I don't care how many Pro Bowls he went to, very overrated IMO.. he wouldn't come close to making my all-time team. Not even the best Shane ILB, I'd take a healthy Nelson over Conlan.
drnykterstein Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 I think London has shown he deserves to be on any all Buffalo team.
Kelly the Dog Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Great players produce. I won't argue that those guys were all talented as hell but only a few of them really produced: Bruce, Talley, Henry and Odomes. I loved Biscuit but his hype was bigger than his game and the same goes for Conlan (even more so). That’s not to say that they were bad, just not as good as advertised. Sam Cowart, during his time in Buffalo, was better than any of those LBs (including Talley) and it's not even close. Granted, Cowart's time in Buffalo was short due to his injury but that doesn't lessen the impact he had on the games he played. Before his injury Cowart was on his way to becoming a dominant LB (alla Ray Lewis). He was that good. Hanson was a guy that was pretty good against the run but people have built him into a much better player than he actually was. The guy had one of the all time great DEs on the opposite side of him which guaranteed that he'd never see a double team and he still couldn't get the pressure or sacks that Schobel wracks up. Schobel isn’t quite as good as Hanson against the run but he’s not bad either. I'm sure there are guys from the pre-80s days (which is really as far back as my knowledge extends) who were better than many of those players as well. 866694[/snapback] A coach's job is to put players in a position to excel. IMO, Bennett was not used right, and even though I think he produced far, far more than you did (a simple difference of opinion), I blame that more on Corey than Bennett. The Bills played much more of a react defense when they clearly had the players to attack, and one of those players was Bennett.
Tcali Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 A coach's job is to put players in a position to excel. IMO, Bennett was not used right, and even though I think he produced far, far more than you did (a simple difference of opinion), I blame that more on Corey than Bennett. The Bills played much more of a react defense when they clearly had the players to attack, and one of those players was Bennett. 867183[/snapback] Excellent point.
MDH Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 A coach's job is to put players in a position to excel. IMO, Bennett was not used right, and even though I think he produced far, far more than you did (a simple difference of opinion), I blame that more on Corey than Bennett. The Bills played much more of a react defense when they clearly had the players to attack, and one of those players was Bennett. 867183[/snapback] Yeah, I don't disagree with your point. The "bend but don't break" Corey D wasn't one of my favorites either.
Dibs Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 ......ST- Steve Tasker - don't discount Jason Peters in this role either, our ST ruled he year he was both on the wedge and wedge buster, he also blocked a punt that year......866659[/snapback] ...and Mark Pike People forget how good he was. Best 'big man' special teamer ever.....according to Marv.
Buffal0 Bill5 Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 How about some love for Timex, good old Don Beebe at the wideout spot. You could hit him witha truck and he wouldn't drop the ball, and don't forget his heart, chasing down Leon Lett. He may not have benn as talented as others, but is one of those "character guys" I like on my team. QB: Kelly, Ferguson, Reich HB: OJ, Thurman, Kenny Davis FB: Gash WR: Andre, Moulds, Evans, Beebe TE: Metzellars & Next years draft pick OL: Electric Co. with Hull, House Ballard, and Reuben Brown as backups DE: Bruce Smith, Schoebel, Phil Hansen, Dr. Sack NT/DT - Ted Washington, Pat Williams LB - TKO, Biscuit, Talley, Spielman, Fletcher-Baker. CB - Nate Clements, Nate Odomes, Antoine Winfield, McGee, S - Mark Kelso, Kurt Schulz, Whitner, Henry Jones P - Brian Moorman K - Steve Christie I know this eliminates many great players, but I was born in 1970 and have to go with what I know.
/dev/null Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 QB - Jason Peters RB - Jason Peters FB - Jason Peters WR - Jason Peters TE - Jason Peters LT - Jason Peters LG - Jason Peters C - Jason Peters RG - Jason Peters RT - Jason Peters DE - Jason Peters DT - Jason Peters LB - Jason Peters CB - Jason Peters S - Jason Peters ST - Jason Peters K - Jason Peters P - Brian Mooreman
Chalkie Gerzowski Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Start 11s QB - Kelly RB - Thomas, Simpson FB - None WR - Reed, Moulds TE - Metzelaars LT - Wolford LG - Shaw C - Hull RG - Joe D. RT - House DE - Hansen DT - Washington DT - Smerlas DE - Bruce OLB - Biscuit MLB - Fletcher OLB - Talley CB - James S - Saimes S - Jones CB - Winfield
drnykterstein Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 I'll give my try, I was not around for the glory years... well I was but I was not a huge Bills fan. QB: Kelly, Ferguson, Flutie RB: O.J. Murderer, Thurman, Davis FB: Sam Gash, Larry Centers WR: Reed (Andre), Moulds, Lofton, Evans TE: Reimersma, Metzlaars OL: Ruben Brown, Ballard, Hull, Delamielleure, Jason Peters DL: Bruce Smith, Ted Washington, Pat Williams, Aaron Schobel LB: Bennett, Flether-Baker, Cowart, Talley DB: Winfield, Clements, Odomes S: Lawyer Milloy, James K: Scott Norwood (someone has to give the guy love.. I volunteer) P: Moorman ST: Tasker, Stamer
VABills Posted December 15, 2006 Posted December 15, 2006 Any list without Robert James at CB is just plan wrong and shows how little that person knows about football and the Bills. James maybe the only CB in NFL season to go an entire season without having a TD thrown against him. He maybe the best Buffalo Bill ever. Short career but flat out amazing. I still remember hearing the day he got hurt on the radio and how really sad that was. FYI a little info from a HOF corner: http://www.profootballhof.com/history/rele...?release_id=742 saleemc: Did you model yourself after any other player? Who? Mike Haynes: Actually, I modeled myself after several guys. I studied film on Lem Barney, Mel Blount, Jimmy Johnson, and Robert James of the Buffalo Bills. James wasn't celebrated, but we had a lot of film on him in New England, and he had unbelievable bump and run technique and was in the right place. I tried to backpedal like Barney, knock guys around like Willie Brown, and recover like Mel Blount.
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